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However I do believe we can expect to be treated the way we treat others. I do not believe not coddling people doesn't equate to calling someone's thoughts stupid. I was taught by my pastor during premarital counseling that calling someone's thoughts and or opinions stupid is verbally abusive. I think we excuse those that are verbally abusive if we think it's some truth to it.

Nothing you said really bothered me, but you didn't call my opinion stupid.

I don't like that word, either (to be honest).....but, on a forum, I don't think we should get too caught up in the use of it. We're all putting our thoughts/opinions out there (to the public---not our spouses or close friends.....so relational rules are sort of off....you know?) and we need to expect there's going to be clashes of opinion (and sometimes there're good clashes that we could consider the message and have that be helpful--no matter *what* specific words are used).
 
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I don't like that word, either (to be honest).....but, on a forum, I don't think we should get too caught up in the use of it. We're all putting our thoughts/opinions out there (to the public---not our spouses or close friends.....so relational rules are sort of off....you know?) and we need to expect there's going to be clashes of opinion (and sometimes there're good clashes that we could consider the message and have that be helpful--no matter *what* specific words are used).

I don't believe you can have a good clash when the word stupid is used. Regardless of it being a forum or not no type of bullying or abuse should be in the conversation. What I took from the message she gave me was "Avniel see you are right bro look you avoided friends and being in a relationship like the one you had with your mother." That communication was what I expected from that type of woman, so I avoid them.

Good clashes are clashes where both people walk away with some sort of understanding of each other. I clearly didn't care about that once the verbal abuse was involved, I don't allow people that communicate that way to even enter into my thought process. I responded to her out of boredom, I responded to you out of disagreement(we had a positive clash) and I responded to Valley to get her opinion.

Certain communications aren't needed and they aren't producing anything positive but chaos and God isn;t the author of Chaos.

There are so many ways one can tell someone they disagree that calling someone's thoughts stupid should never be considered acceptable. Note I never even reported it(it's considered flaming) because it's an example of where, why and from who my bias originated.
 
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I don't believe you can have a good clash when the word stupid is used. Regardless of it being a forum or not no type of bullying or abuse should be in the conversation. What I took from the message she gave me was "Avniel see you are right bro look you avoided friends and being in a relationship like the one you had with your mother." That communication was what I expected from that type of woman, so I avoid them.

Well.....that's a good example of how our biases cause miscommunication (and why we should eradicate the bias....not other people).
 
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Well.....that's a good example of how our biases cause miscommunication (and why we should eradicate the bias....not other people).

I don't think my bias had anything to do with the fact I find it unacceptable to call someone's thoughts stupid. I think it has to do with the creation of that bias and it's validation. I personally feel we live in a society that expects men to take verbal and physical abuse. If I would have called her idea, thoughts or feelings stupid there would have been an uproar. However due to her gender it's considered acceptable and a miscommunication.

The person that was loud and forceful admitted to being the aggressor and was unapologetic for it. However that person was misunderstood and I the victim of a verbal needs to understand...
 
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I don't think my bias had anything to do with the fact I find it unacceptable to call someone's thoughts stupid. I think it has to do with the creation of that bias and it's validation. I personally feel we live in a society that expects men to take verbal and physical abuse. If I would have called her idea, thoughts or feelings stupid there would have been an uproar. However due to her gender it's considered acceptable and a miscommunication.

The person that was loud and forceful admitted to being the aggressor and was unapologetic for it. However that person was misunderstood and I the victim of a verbal needs to understand...

"That person" is actually here and has a name, and since you've basically called me names and insinuated things about me in this thread, let's just stop with the whole "SHE HURT MY FEELINGS" bit you have going on here.

I used the word stupid twice, both times to address a statement that I found to be just that: stupid.

This is not because I had an abusive relationship. This is because I have common sense enough to know that blaming the victim is the wrong course of action. Attitudes like yours gets women killed, plain and simple. I learned this doing my training for being a DV first responder. The minute you say "but why didn't she..." you've then taken the heat off the abuser and put it on the abused, who is already suffering. Why else do you think it is SO HARD for abused women (and men for that matter) to come forward? Who wants to come forward and then get accused of not doing enough to stop it?

Yes, you are correct, you have a bias so that whenever someone argues with you and says something you dislike, you can then claim your bias has been confirmed. If only life were really that easy.

The bottom line here is that I disagree with any notion that someone who is abused bears any responsibility for it and I will speak out against anyone who says they should. So if you continue to say it, expect me to counter it. I don't want ANY victims of abuse here thinking that THEY are at fault.

If that confirms some bias of yours, so be it. With the way this conversation has gone, you won't have to worry about us EVER being friends anyway, so your bias means nothing to me.
 
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...Note I never even reported it(it's considered flaming) because it's an example of where, why and from who my bias originated.

It is not flaming. It is addressing the post. I didn't say YOU were stupid.
 
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This is not because I had an abusive relationship. This is because I have common sense enough to know that blaming the victim is the wrong course of action. Attitudes like yours gets women killed, plain and simple. I learned this doing my training for being a DV first responder. The minute you say "but why didn't she..." you've then taken the heat off the abuser and put it on the abused, who is already suffering. Why else do you think it is SO HARD for abused women (and men for that matter) to come forward? Who wants to come forward and then get accused of not doing enough to stop it?

I totally agree that the abused has no part in the decision making process that causes the actual abuse. That's totally on the abuser.

...but there's a part of the equation that loses me.

Doesn't the victim bear some responsibility for remaining in a position to be abused again?

My dad was a criminal prosecutor - and he told me domestic situations (any kind - not just DV - but including DV) were the worst types of crimes to try and prosecute. It wasn't that he didn't want to prosecute the abusers/molesters/etc - or that the state went soft on sentencing on convictions - it's that the victims were often downright uncooperative and often acted contrary to their own best interests.

They'd file restraining orders - then break them themselves. They'd file charges claiming abuse - then change their stories and say they made them up. They were the ones that provided reasonable doubt for the juries - and made it difficult to prosecute. Long story short - it seemed the last thing they wanted was their abuser to be prosecuted - and they'd always come back for more.

As a DV responder - doesn't it really boil down to what eventually ends the abuse (if it ever does end) is that either the abused finally cooperates with the law and gets the abuser prosecuted - or they leave? Isn't that what it finally boils down to? That - or they continue to be abused?
 
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"That person" is actually here and has a name, and since you've basically called me names and insinuated things about me in this thread, let's just stop with the whole "SHE HURT MY FEELINGS" bit you have going on here.

I used the word stupid twice, both times to address a statement that I found to be just that: stupid.

This is not because I had an abusive relationship. This is because I have common sense enough to know that blaming the victim is the wrong course of action. Attitudes like yours gets women killed, plain and simple. I learned this doing my training for being a DV first responder. The minute you say "but why didn't she..." you've then taken the heat off the abuser and put it on the abused, who is already suffering. Why else do you think it is SO HARD for abused women (and men for that matter) to come forward? Who wants to come forward and then get accused of not doing enough to stop it?

Yes, you are correct, you have a bias so that whenever someone argues with you and says something you dislike, you can then claim your bias has been confirmed. If only life were really that easy.

The bottom line here is that I disagree with any notion that someone who is abused bears any responsibility for it and I will speak out against anyone who says they should. So if you continue to say it, expect me to counter it. I don't want ANY victims of abuse here thinking that THEY are at fault.

If that confirms some bias of yours, so be it. With the way this conversation has gone, you won't have to worry about us EVER being friends anyway, so your bias means nothing to me.

I think the reality is once you call my idea or anything I think as stupid names become unimportant. That "person" is a 41 year old that has someone a few years from being 20 years old telling her that calling other people's thoughts is rude.....like I said the inability to hold one's self accountable for one's actions is a major problem. You honestly feel it is a healthy way of communicating telling someone that their idea is stupid? You feel that is perfectly ok and there is nothing wrong with it?



I certainly disagree I think because you were abused you can't see your fault. At the end of the day if you are in a class setting and you call someone stupid you will typically be corrected even in college settings. The reason is because one has to be able to verbalize feeling a statement is stupid passed a sophomoric level. I think whatever forceful and loud you were trying to be you just came off as someone that is too angry to really describe their actual opinions and thoughts in a way that shows growth passed 16. I think that is a part of you being abused, you can't see past you having to be the loud, forceful and powerful woman that(which I don't know if that sounds positive for a homeboy) tells every man what she thinks and feels. As I have said personally that what I typically come to expect from abused women. I am laid back guy loud, forceful and angry doesn't match well with calm, cool and a little flashy.



As I have said I believe that we all make either good choices or bad choices. If you marry a person that beats you, you have clearly made a bad choice. If that reality causes WOMEN(note only women were mentions like men aren't abused) to be killed I don't have anything to do with that. Common sense says if I open a door and I get egged at what point do we say "I should have never opened that door." When a person walks into a park in the bronx at night and get's robbed that person has to except responsibility for being alone in the park at dark. If you feel like being with an abusive man is the wrong choice then you feel like some of the responsibility rests with those in the relationship. Staying in an abusive relationship is even moooooooore that person's fault.


I do not believe so you have seen me have plenty of disagreements with several people here. Valley and I often have disagreed and there was several old posters as well. The reality is as long as you show me respect that is what you will get when you take away my respect I take away yours. I disagree on this thread with Valley and nobody was upset.......there was no problem..........nothing. I think you basically proved my entire point, you don't take accountability even for calling a person's thoughts and feelings stupid(emotional abuse as well as verbal) and the way you communicate makes me stay away from women that were abused.



I think that's the issue you care waaaaaaaaaay more then I do. I thought it would be an interesting conversation, I could really care less if you disagree with me and I could care less what you speak out against I really dont in all honesty.

For me when two adults get together and make children no matter what I hold both accountable for all the things that child goes through. I don't care who kills who or whatever you are talking about, all I care about is the boy that's going to get a gun point at him tonight because in that room he's the only one that had no choice. If you had a choice then you had a fault.


WHAT I GOT FROM OUR CONVERSATION WAS YOU THINK MY IDEA, THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS WERE STUPID. AS A 41 YEAR OLD WOMAN OF LEADERSHIP IN THE CHURCH I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD HAVE MORE WISDOM THEN TO CALL ANOTHER PERSON'S THOUGHTS DUMB. I THINK THE FACT YOU DON'T EVEN SEE HOW THE WAY YOU COMMUNICATE SHOWS YOUR ABUSED HISTORY.











********men are domestic violence victims as well are we only worried about women's lives? Did someone expose a little bias************
 
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It is not flaming. It is addressing the post. I didn't say YOU were stupid.

You really don't see how telling someone there thoughts is stupid is verbally abusive and flaming you really don't understand how that is possible.
 
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I can't have a conversation with someone determined to focus in ONE thing and one thing only. You ignore everything else I said because in ONE post I said I was going to speak up when people say stupid things.

If I were you, is be a bit more concerned that someone thinks you're opinion could get someone killed, or that you perpetuate a stereotype of men.

Proof you didn't read my post? You say I only talk about women. In the last post I mentioned men and I've said more than one that it doesn't surprise me when men won't come forward because of people like you. If a man came forward and said "I was abused but I didn't hit back" you'd practically hate that man, Avniel.

I speak about women because the bulk of my experience is with abused women. And the reason you believe they fit some bias of your is because you practically force them there. You're the man that picks the fight and then blames the other person.

I've been told I should put you on ignore. I can't do that because of what you say. It certainly is easy to say "both people are at fault" but that doesn't work in abuse cases. Most women stick around because they're threatened.

I could easily say you were at fault for enduring the abuse you did as a child. I could say "you could've told someone." I cpuld say you choose to remain in that situation. And those statements would be as true as the statements you make about other people in abusive relationships. That is to say: patently WRONG. I dont believe you are at fault for the abuse you suffered. I believe you are fault, though, for the opinions you now hold because of that abuse.
 
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I totally agree that the abused has no part in the decision making process that causes the actual abuse. That's totally on the abuser.

...but there's a part of the equation that loses me.

Doesn't the victim bear some responsibility for remaining in a position to be abused again?

My dad was a criminal prosecutor - and he told me domestic situations (any kind - not just DV - but including DV) were the worst types of crimes to try and prosecute. It wasn't that he didn't want to prosecute the abusers/molesters/etc - or that the state went soft on sentencing on convictions - it's that the victims were often downright uncooperative and often acted contrary to their own best interests.

They'd file restraining orders - then break them themselves. They'd file charges claiming abuse - then change their stories and say they made them up. They were the ones that provided reasonable doubt for the juries - and made it difficult to prosecute. Long story short - it seemed the last thing they wanted was their abuser to be prosecuted - and they'd always come back for more.

As a DV responder - doesn't it really boil down to what eventually ends the abuse (if it ever does end) is that either the abused finally cooperates with the law and gets the abuser prosecuted - or they leave? Isn't that what it finally boils down to? That - or they continue to be abused?

Yes, that is frustrating for everyone. It is hard to understand, and its the mind boggling part of this dynamic.

Sadly, in the backs of the victims minds they feel that if they had done something RIGHT somewhere along the lines - the abuse never would have happened. Everything around them is coming crashing down, and in their minds over their one error. The kids miss Dad - that's their fault. The neighbors won't talk to them - or see them in the same way - that's their fault. The family members are feeling the stress of the circumstance, and tell the victim - its your fault. The abuser calls breaking the order, and reminds them they that MUST own their part in this...and they feel at fault.

The kids, family and abuser tend to place undue pressure on the victim to fix it, and make it right. Then do life the way they should - no errors from now on. The abuser will have visitation, and will work them to work on the victim. Daddy loves Mommie, and he hit her because she asked for it. yet, he is sorry now and still wants to be a family. Mommie doesn't want to be a family, and Daddy is crying over that. Family tells kids that mommie just wants to be a victim, and she should work on getting the family back together. All they really need is anger management and family counseling. You see the abuser told the family members when they call to pressure and manipulate them...because he knows it works. Most of the time families don't know how to support the ones in their circumstance, and the stress is just too much. So, get back together so they can have peace again. They don't want the abuser targeting them next - and he will.

I once worked with a VERY strong woman, and she did everything right at the time of the last circumstance. She worked on getting herself independent as far as a job to support herself, adult children educated and living on their own, etc. She called when he broke the orders, etc.

The man used the family DOG of all things to tie her down to him. He actually got 'visitation' rights of the dog, and NO he wouldn't just take the dog himself...she offered. He wasted money in court over this, so he had the right to drop by...and checks things out. She would walk the dog down to the curb for pickup, and drop offs - he didn't like that, and tried to go back to court. ^_^ He was a strange man. I finally told her, "Give me the dog, and tell him it got loose and ran off." I lived far enough away, and she should still file the police report about the lost dog - documentation. She didn't give me the dog, but YES the dog did leave her home. Next thing you know he starts asking the adult children to go to the home, and check things out for him...and report back. One adult child had enough backbone to say NO, and they other struggled...so they moved out of state so they had more firm excuse.

I had another victim I worked with. Her spouse was a sociopath. An old neighbor came to see her one day out of the blue. His wife had just passed, and she made him keep a promise to contact her. Her guilt over knowing the torture she was enduring while living next door, and trying to ignore it to keep the peace. She said nothing all those years when black eyes, and battled bodies where present. It happened mostly prior to stronger DV laws, because they did take him to jail. They just couldn't do anything when he came back. The lady felt guilt over not being the support system she knew she needed. The survivor thanked him, and made him feel better afterwards...and she got validation. Yes, it was strange and nice at the same time.

We are talking nutters, and the dynamics that tend to follow them. Women that abuse are just as strange...and dangerous. Thankfully, I worked with a man that was abused...and he got full custody. Visitation is rocky, but things are looking up for him.

Humans tend to take the path of less resistance. She is fragile, and will bend and take all the junk upon herself...because she is broken already. Its easier to pressure her to do what they want her to do so they don't have to get TOO involved. Since she feels like a crumb on the bottom of someone's shoe? It doesn't take much to accomplish it either. She feels the weight of the world, and the world pretty much tells her (those close her that is) that she should. So she does the best thing she feels she can. It's hard to work with or against that type of dynamic.
 
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I can't have a conversation with someone determined to focus in ONE thing and one thing only. You ignore everything else I said because in ONE post I said I was going to speak up when people say stupid things.

If I were you, is be a bit more concerned that someone thinks you're opinion could get someone killed, or that you perpetuate a stereotype of men.

Proof you didn't read my post? You say I only talk about women. In the last post I mentioned men and I've said more than one that it doesn't surprise me when men won't come forward because of people like you. If a man came forward and said "I was abused but I didn't hit back" you'd practically hate that man, Avniel.

I speak about women because the bulk of my experience is with abused women. And the reason you believe they fit some bias of your is because you practically force them there. You're the man that picks the fight and then blames the other person.

I've been told I should put you on ignore. I can't do that because of what you say. It certainly is easy to say "both people are at fault" but that doesn't work in abuse cases. Most women stick around because they're threatened.

I could easily say you were at fault for enduring the abuse you did as a child. I could say "you could've told someone." I cpuld say you choose to remain in that situation. And those statements would be as true as the statements you make about other people in abusive relationships. That is to say: patently WRONG. I dont believe you are at fault for the abuse you suffered. I believe you are fault, though, for the opinions you now hold because of that abuse.

I think it's funny you still can't determine why that's inappropriate and not a healthy way to communicate. Typically I encounter abused women that are unable to respond to conflict and or disagreement in an appropriate manner. I don't think you stood against people saying stupid things I think you informed someone that you thought their opinion was stupid that's two different things. You just are furthering my point by arguing that it's appropriate.

If I were you I'd worry about the "loud and forceful" method of communication you use to bully others into agreeing with you. You insult people's thoughts and ideas because of your own insecurities brought on by situations. I think it's illogical or self righteous to even say it's stupid. If I go to a movie and I hated it there's the movie and those involved and there's my choice. You can disagree with that but calling it stupid really just comes off as not knowing how to communicate. The logic is very basic you make a choice it goes bad you mad a bad choice that's your responsibility. How is that illogical or stupid....insensitive and possibly cold could be argued but without reason and logic I don't think so.

Honestly no I stopped reading your post once you crossed my boundaries of respect. Once you cross a boundary and are disrespectful I typically write that person off. I'm not going to show your post that much respect when you didn't show mine.

I don't hate anyone I would think he were weak the same way I would think a woman is weak. MLK position to me was weak I favored Malcolm X's demand for civil rights and confrontation rather than passive resistance. I don't hate MLK I just don't believe he approached the topic right. Why would I hate someone? If someone walked up and told me that I probably would just say "oh." I typically don't care unless it's me or mine why would I hate someone that's life has no direct affect on me? Like I said you care waaaaaay more about this conversation then I do, way more.

What fight did I pick with you? Did I call you outside your name? Did I say something against your family? No I gave my opinion and that bothered you so you lashed out. You are no Harriet Tubman you aren't calling me stupid to protect women everywhere it's not about strength it's about weakness. You are so damaged you can't even understand why calling someone's thoughts stupid is verbally abusive.

I personally don't care who you work with, I don't care about there story I'm not on a DV awareness campaign. I saw something on TV and thought it would be an interesting and insightful conversation. I have I bias because starting with my mother and grandmother most women I know for a fact have been abused typically behave and respond as you have. I avoid people that think telling someone their opinion is stupid is not the type of women I want to communicate with. I could careless what they have been through, what they are angry about.....it doesn't affect me. So I don't want to be communicated with like that because it's not my problem.

If someone threatens your life and you leave that's called courage doing the opposite is what? But I'm not even thinking about that for me it's more about giving the number, dating, engagement, marriage and children if you are with someone that's abusive you made the choice to enter into and you make the choice to exit. That's where I see the fault but we live in a country that is overly sensitive and nobody accept a few intellectuals will understand my point.

I don't believe we hold children to the same standards as adults. I believe that's why children are the only victim in domestic violence that hasn't made a bad choice. I didn't make a choice to stay I legally had no choice in fact since I was 13 I've always have ran away I just got caught. Even as a child I was very proactive in preparing myself to never allow myself to be abused. The differences between you and I 1) I was a little black boy when we call the police on parents beating us sometimes the police officer shakes their hand and even laughs with them(a lot of people have done this. 2) I was a minor legally unable to make choices by myself. If I were I wouldn't have ran away. 3) I looked for where my faults were within that situation and I corrected them. I trained, I worked out and I got comfortable enough with fists that I feel like I will never be a victim again.

I mean look at what your conversation has accomplished you were loud and forceful.......that's it. Look what I accomplished I introduced or explained my perspective to at least 1 person.

The reason you don't see how your post validated my bias is because that's your communication style of choice. If I encounter 10 women and they all were abused what are the chances I have conversations like "your opinion is stupid" vs women that were never abused? I'm will to bet you money that those women who were never abused use less forceful and loud communications. I think me saying you stating my opinion is stupid goes past my boundaries and this is the typical stimuli I get from women that have been through ect. I think that's me stating I don't have the patients to deal with certain damages in women.

I would rather deal with women that can hold a healthy conversation.


I think the "forceful and loud" way you proudly insult other's thoughts and feelings shows the affects of your abuse on you. Out of everyone you're the only one I got nothing from because I don't even take your posts serious since I felt disrespected. The result of my abuse is me not trying to understand your perspective, me not caring to understand your perspective and me writing you off as an abused woman. However it's not fair because I do recognize there are women that make the choice not to allow abuse to change how you communicate with others.

At this point I think you should block me because I probably will never see more of you then an abused woman that called my thought stupid. I will never value you or anything you say past that.
 
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At this point I think you should block me because I probably will never see more of you then an abused woman that called my thought stupid. I will never value you or anything you say past that.

Get over yourself. You block ME if you think Im that horrible.

But whenever you say that victims are to blame, I'll be right there to correct that nonsense.
 
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How wrong is it that someone actually just compared staying in an abusive relationship to watching a BAD MOVIE??

I'm...flabbergasted. Just...wow.

It's a comparison to make a point I find it manipulative and further evidence of abusive habits pointing that out.
 
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It's a comparison to make a point I find it manipulative and further evidence of abusive habits pointing that out.

Even more fodder! Abused victims showing abusive habits!

Keep digging that hole, Av.

Choosing to stay in the theater to watch a bad movie is NOWHERE NEAR STAYING IN AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP.

Let's examine why:

1. No one threatens to kill you if you stay to see the bad movie.

2. No one hunts you down if you stay to see a bad movie.

3. You don't walk out of a bad movie with a black eye.

There's certainly more but I think we all get the gist here.

I honestly am beginning to doubt that you were abused as a child because if you were, you couldn't POSSIBLY have such a callous attitude about people who are victims of abuse. You hate men who don't fight back, you think that abused victims are to blame. I disagree with you and you decide that fits some weird stereotype you hold of an abused woman...

This is just so whack, I can't hardly believe it. I've honestly never met anyone who thinks like you, and I certainly hope you're the only one I ever do meet who thinks like you do. I'm literally just shaking my head here.

Wow.

My conversations with my ex are more rational than this one. Of course, those are usually done in front of a judge so...he can't get away with being manipulative there.
 
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Even more fodder! Abused victims showing abusive habits!

Keep digging that hole, Av.

Choosing to stay in the theater to watch a bad movie is NOWHERE NEAR STAYING IN AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP.

Let's examine why:

1. No one threatens to kill you if you stay to see the bad movie.

2. No one hunts you down if you stay to see a bad movie.

3. You don't walk out of a bad movie with a black eye.

There's certainly more but I think we all get the gist here.

I honestly am beginning to doubt that you were abused as a child because if you were, you couldn't POSSIBLY have such a callous attitude about people who are victims of abuse. You hate men who don't fight back, you think that abused victims are to blame. I disagree with you and you decide that fits some weird stereotype you hold of an abused woman...

This is just so whack, I can't hardly believe it. I've honestly never met anyone who thinks like you, and I certainly hope you're the only one I ever do meet who thinks like you do. I'm literally just shaking my head here.

Wow.

My conversations with my ex are more rational than this one. Of course, those are usually done in front of a judge so...he can't get away with being manipulative there.

Right 1-3 is pretty irrelevant when talking about the similarities between seeing a bad movie and making the choice to be with someone that isn't right for you. 1-3 are dealing with something that has nothing to do with what I'm saying and why the comparison could be made. As I've said all that manipulation doesn't work with me.

No I was abused as a child and part of my situation was observing a man get broken down. As a child that grew up with that I hold all adults at fault including the other for the abuse. Also I never said I hate men that don't fight back I said I don't respect any movement against oppression that is also anti-violence(I used civil rights activists), I said my own family are not people that are against physical violence against a threat(I used women as an example and the person I respect most as a warrior my grand auntie, a woman). I find it weak and that is my opinion and I'm entitled to it. Stating I hate anyone is manipulating the conversation adding words in my mouth I never said and it's lying.

If I'm the only person that you have met that thinks like that I would suggest getting some tattoos on your passport clearly you haven't traveled enough.

So let's get this straight you call my thought stupid(said that not making that up or reading in between any lines), you manipulated the conversation and then you send a passive aggressive subliminal at the end of your message.

Wow you think it's appropriate to tell someone there thoughts are stupid.
 
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And the one track train keeps going.

Anyone else got stuff to contribute? This is tiresome.

Of course once you call my thoughts stupid, manipulate my words and argue points that were never made and attempt to use this method of communication to bully me because you disagree , the conversation can not and will proceed past that communication. As I've said I don't communicate in that bully manner and if you want to cyber bully do it to someone else if you want to disagree and have an interesting conversation by all means let's do that. However once you disrespect anything about me the conversation can not continue. I'm not the type of man that will allow you to abuse me even on the internet.

Gaslighting or gas-lighting[1] is a form of mental abuse in which false information is presented with the intent of making victims doubt their own memory, perception, and sanity.[

You said it, you are attempting to gaslight me because you can't deal or hold yourself accountable for anything you do or say so you lie your way out. It's clear you said my thoughts are stupid and it's clear you are twisting words.

Verbal abuse check, gaslighting check.....my point is furthered.

Check other threads well know fact I stay away from abused women, the reason why is the way they communicate and difficulty admitting wrong.
 
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