Dune

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

life isn't secular, this is a spiritual reality

It's secular for the non-religious.

 

[JohnEmmett]

It's secular for the non-religious.

No… that's your view

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

No… that's your view

No... that's how it is defined.

Secular:
"a: of or relating to the worldly or temporal concerns
b: not overtly or specifically religious"

Secular:
"You use secular to describe things that have no connection with religion."

 

[JohnEmmett]

No... that's how it is defined.

well it's a view

regard in a particular light or with a particular attitude.

 

[Chesterton]

it's not easy to take (serious) subjects seriously

Okay, I'll bite. I believe there're giant worms on Mars. So what's the upshot? What's the significance? What does it mean?

 

[JohnEmmett]

What's the significance? What does it mean?

I know, because of a government remote viewer, who published his "bilocation" experience in a book.

The Seventh Sense: The Secrets of Remote Viewing

Among those experiences, he says, was encountering Jesus.

And he mentions the worms…

 

[Chesterton]

I know, because of a government remote viewer, who published his "bilocation" experience in a book.

The Seventh Sense: The Secrets of Remote Viewing

Among those experiences, he says, was encountering Jesus.

And he mentions the worms…

Well, the military did experiment with remote viewing briefly, not for the last 30 years as that book blurb claims. It didn't work, and was abandoned.

 

[JohnEmmett]

It didn't work, and was abandoned.

It works…

And I think it continues…

 

[JohnEmmett]

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

It works…

And I think it continues…

The US military found the reports too ambiguous to be useful. When experiments were replicated under properly controlled conditions with conventional statistical methods, the results were no better than chance. The UK Government also did a study to evaluate its defence utility and found it was a waste of time.

 

[JohnEmmett]

You don't want to accept.


So… enough.

 

[Chesterton]

It works…

And I think it continues…

Alright, I'll believe Mars has a worm infestation problem if you can answer me this: how many live elephants are in my living room right now?

 

[JohnEmmett]

Alright, I'll believe Mars has a worm infestation problem if you can answer me this: how many live elephants are in my living room right now?

One.

 

[Chesterton]

One.

Dude. I went out of my way to make it easy for you...

 

[JohnEmmett]

…

 

[JohnEmmett]

 

[pgp_protector]

 

[JohnEmmett]

?

 

[Ophiolite]

You don't want to accept.

I think you are confused. Though I speak for myself I suspect many sceptics and critical thinkers here will agree:
I desperately want to accept that there are worms on Mars. That alien UFOs are real. That some people are gifted with ESP. That remote viewing is possible. That there are time travellers among us. Unfortunately there isn't a single piece of meaningful evidence to support any of these notions and so I must, with great reluctance reject them.
It seems your desire to believe is overcoming your ability to critically examine evidence.

 

[JohnEmmett]

I desperately want to accept … Unfortunately there isn't a single piece of meaningful evidence … so I must, with great reluctance reject them.

You need faith to accept…