DUGGERS and 3 questions

[High Fidelity]

His parents "made" him repent. If you are coerced into repentence than it is coerced. Only God knows what really happened and if he repented to God. His family in their Patriarchial ways made him say sorry. Who knows what a sorry that was.

Also, if I may ask, how much do you know about the situation? Did you read the Police Report? We know that four out of the five victims were his sisters, ranging in age from 4 years old - 12 years old. It is pretty common thought that the eldest was the one not assaulted. What reasoning do you believe that he had for so many victims and of such vast different ages? There seems a HUGE difference in this case. Sick.

Does it matter?

It's wrong, we get it. Don't know why people feel the need to clarify the wrongdoing.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Does it matter?

It's wrong, we get it. Don't know why people feel the need to clarify the wrongdoing.

Yes. Biblically, one needs to repent to God. God forgives sin.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

If a 14 year old doesn't know that fondling girls while they are asleep is wrong, then Mom and Dad did a lousy job of teaching their child right from wrong. My brothers certainly knew this behavior was wrong and unacceptable by that age (as did I). But then, my parents had enough sense to not have the boys and girls sharing the same bedroom.

I have to say Josh could have been way behind in that department, since extreme conservative may not even talk about sex. Just wait until your married. Who know what Josh was taught.

 

[ZaidaBoBaida]

No normal 14 year old is interested in a 4 year old. That is just disgusting and perverted. CPS should be a permanent part of their lives since they have demonstrated lack of regard for the safety/well being of their daughters. They not only forced their daughters to "forgive" him, but to continue to live with him, and allowed him to babysit ie be in authority over them. There was an episode of the show not long ago where he and his wife babysat and he talked about having to reassert his authority as the oldest sibling. And all of that isn't even considering that they subjected the daughters to "counseling" that tells them that the abuse was their own fault.

Would people still be feeling sorry for the Duggars if he had killed one of his siblings and they somehow covered it up? Saying, "Oh gee, I'm sorry. I repent. Forgive me," doesn't excuse one from facing the consequences of having committed murder. Why is child molestation different - except that people fail to see it as a real crime?

 

[Red Fox]

I don't understand why people keep making excuses for this child molester and offering him their support. It's sickening really.

 

[DaisyDay]

The dad's, Jim Bob's, behavior is at least as bad as Josh's. He knew what his son was doing and did not protect the victims, he protected his son who continued to molest children for a couple of years. He did not get his son appropriate treatment and I suspect he did not get his daughters any either. If the mother knew, then she is also responsible for failing to protect the younger members of the family (and whoever the other victims were).

 

[KitKatMatt]

I don't understand why people keep making excuses for this child molester and offering him their support. It's sickening really.

I got in a fight with my family because of this topic.

They insisted it wasn't a big deal because "boys are curious at that age" and "sometimes they act on it".

Needless to say, it hurt horribly to hear that. They grew up in a much different time, but thats no excuse for defending such behavior.

 

[Red Fox]

I got in a fight with my family because of this topic.

They insisted it wasn't a big deal because "boys are curious at that age" and "sometimes they act on it".

Needless to say, it hurt horribly to hear that. They grew up in a much different time, but thats no excuse for defending such behavior.

I'm sorry, but that's disgusting. That's like saying, "Oh, boys will be boys!" And it's sickening, in my opinion.

 

[ZaidaBoBaida]

If his only victim had been the next oldest sibling, I might agree that this is just a case of a teenage boy acting on sexual curiosity. But, one of the victims was FOUR YEARS OLD. That is not normal sexual curiosity. That is disgusting, perverted, predatory behavior.

 

[ToBeLoved]

A lot of people are also commenting about how sexual Jim Bob was towards Michelle on the shows (there's 10 years worth of evidence) on the show and in front of the children. I think this is a good point. It's difficult to tell your children not to think about, talk about and abstain from sexual intercourse when their parents are making comments and being overtly sexual in front of the kids.

Then one day they get married and it's like "Ok, now kids go and multiply. Have 19 kids yourself". Sexuality is not a switch one can turn off for 18 years and then turn on (no pun intended) the night one marries. lol.

 

[ToBeLoved]

If his only victim had been the next oldest sibling, I might agree that this is just a case of a teenage boy acting on sexual curiosity. But, one of the victims was FOUR YEARS OLD. That is not normal sexual curiosity. That is disgusting, perverted, predatory behavior.

Exactly. That's the point where the tide turned for me to literal digust and sickening.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I think the argument here is that he never received proper treatment, much less criminal justice. It wasn't brought to the attention of the authorities until after the statute of limitations had passed, and they admit that the counselor they sent him to wasn't certified.

Actually the father told a cop a year after it happen. So it was turned in before the statute of limitations had passed. The cop choose not to do anything, but give a stern talking to Josh. Like he should talk, since he wasn't later arrested for child porn. I think the parents tried, to do what they could. Being very religious minded.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Actually the father told a cop a year after it happen. So it was turned in before the statute of limitations had passed. The cop choose not to do anything, but give a stern talking to Josh. Like he should talk, since he wasn't later arrested for child porn. I think the parents tried, to do what they could. Being very religious minded.

Is it a koinkidink that the one they sent Josh to for counseling was a child molester and then the cop a year later was also a child molester?

You have to remember that in Patriarchy they confess all their sexual sins to the church elders. I think it may not have been such a coincidence. That whole movement ONLY associates with their own denomination. Think about it.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Yet when a black male, or a gay teen, does something wrong they should be shot, thrown in prison, executed, whatever the case may be.

My sister's black and her black father molester her and her older sister. My black sister goes to foster care( that's how we're sisters). Dad gets no jail time. Nothing. The mother get's daughter back, but she's not allowed to let her father see her. Well her mom ignores the county, send her to her dad, were her best friend is raped. She ends up back and foster care and stays, because they cant trust the mom. Dad goes to jail, but is bail out and it never makes it to trial. Father goes to another state. After years later my sister find this out. He never even was sentence again. Did he molest again? probably. So I doubt black teen or adults are the only one being charged.

 

[St. Helens]

1 What good does it to berate them more?
None whatsoever. My question is, what happened to the concept of forgiveness in this culture? This incidents happened when the guy was in his youth. He's an adult now and had mended his ways.

2. Do they deserve more punishments?
No. They were not even aware of this failure on the boy's part. What should they be punished for something they didn't know?

3. How many of us could raise 19 children and only have one failure in the family?
I couldn't. I wasn't not a very parent to the one son a raised. I could not raise 19.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

If his only victim had been the next oldest sibling, I might agree that this is just a case of a teenage boy acting on sexual curiosity. But, one of the victims was FOUR YEARS OLD. That is not normal sexual curiosity. That is disgusting, perverted, predatory behavior.

About his daughters age.

 

[sdmsanjose]

1. By SDMSANJOSE
3. How many of us could raise 19 children and only have one failure in the family?

By JustOneWay
How do we know this is the only failure?

It seems this question also is an attempt to cut them slack because they had 19 kids. Why should we bother to try to imagine how we would do if we had 19 kids?​

My point is that the Duggar parents has 19 children and to our knowledge they only have this one sickening failure by only one of their children. The act was horrible but I think that the Duggars have done an average or above average job of raising children. In addition, the Duggars have taken in the elderly mother of Mr. Duggar. I do admire the Duggar parents for the good that they have done.

If you have a lot of children and none of them have committed any moral failures then I would admire you as a parent more than the Duggars. For you parents that are throwing stones at the Duggar parents, have you raised lots of children and not had one moral failure among your children? Be honest!

The responses to the Duggers have said many times that they do not like hypocrites so in your answers to the above let’s not be hypocrites!

 

[katautumn]

1 What good does it to berate them more?
None whatsoever. My question is, what happened to the concept of forgiveness in this culture? This incidents happened when the guy was in his youth. He's an adult now and had mended his ways.

It's not a matter of lack of forgiveness. Forgiveness is not the same thing as a lack of consequences. Josh was never tried or convicted for his crime. He was told to help a family friend build a house, received "counseling" from another sexual predator, and then got a "stern talking to" from a friend who covered up the crime who was later convicted for child pornography.

2. Do they deserve more punishments?

No. They were not even aware of this failure on the boy's part. What should they be punished for something they didn't know?

The parents knew, as did Josh's wife, Anna, and the victims. They knew and they covered it up and now act as if it was just boys will be boys, no big deal. Josh was never punished to begin with, so having their show cancelled and being subject to public scrutiny is hardly "more punishment".

3. How many of us could raise 19 children and only have one failure in the family?

I couldn't. I wasn't not a very parent to the one son a raised. I could not raise 19.

Being a child molester is not about bad parenting or a failure. It's a serious, serious sex crime.

 

[sdmsanjose]

1 What good does it to berate them more?

2. Do they deserve more punishments?

3. How many of us could raise 19 children and only have one failure in the family?

By Armoured

1 "don't molest your sisters" is hardly a value exclusive to conservative Christians

2 Yes. As discussed elsewhere, were they not the paradigm for Christian wholesomeness they present themselves as, but rather left leaning homosexuality advocates, the very people urging restraint would be baying for blood.

3. Yeah, there's failures and then failures, you know? Raise 19 kids and one shoplifts occasionally, or struggles in school or employment, that's one thing. Raise a sexual predator? AND shield him from prosecution? That's a pretty big failure...​

1 Your number one answer does not address my number one question.

2 You did answer my second question with a YES. What more punishment would you impose?

3 You are right a sexual predator is a pretty big failure. I am not going to blame the parents for a teenage child’s behavior. I am sure that the parents did not raise their son to molest their 4 daughters. I heard that the father took the son to a police officer; so how did the father shield the son?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

This is a really sad story of a fine family who are as human as I am and are subject (no matter how close they are to God) to sinful actions as anyone else. I do not approve of any kind of molestation acts by anyone. I do not condone this. I do not see any further need, however, of continuing to trash this family. He made a confession, resigned from his job, and the rest of the family will have to suffer consequences of his actions as well. I say enough is enough.

Josh joined an organisation dedicated to trashing other families, especially those headed by same-sex couples. Now that his family is suddenly under scrutiny, "enough is enough"? Cry me a river.