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Nope.........Lot's of things aren't in the Bible. It doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them. Alter calls aren't in the Bible. Anything wrong with alter calls?
I don't think so. But neither is it demonic. It seems like a perfectly natural phenomenon.I would like you guys to give your opinion on this. Can this be the work of the holy spirit?
The Sinner's Prayer is also a Protestant invention.These errors and inventions are not Biblcal and are not part of historic Christianity.
Total Depravity of Man
Enthroning the Bible in your Heart
Ask Jesus into Your Heart
The Rapture
Altar Call
Eternal Security
"Once Saved Always Saved"
Sola Fide - Salvation by "Faith Alone"
Sola Scriptura - "Bible Alone"
I don't think anyone is trying to be deceptive. There is no lying going on. People are genuinely mistaken.Deceptive psycho-emotional manipulation...
And why are those neurotransmitters released during these specific services with many, many people following suit in these instances? Not just a little happy, but uncontrollably so.No, your initial response is automatic. You can mitigate it a little, like you can try to calm yourself, but basically if you are afraid it's an automatic response, if you are happy you are happy. The hormones and neurotransmitters that control it are released already.
What?Drunk in the spirit is not a problem, if by the time you are considered having believed, you have at least one question - for which you still have wanted clarity.
I disagree. Because there is a pattern. A pattern of music, and speech and atmosphere. That is created by men, those things.I don't think anyone is trying to be deceptive. There is no lying going on. People are genuinely mistaken.
No, it is not the Holy Spirit. I grew up in a church just like that. It's not the Spirit whatsoever.
Certainly not by conscious decision. It's basically a reflexive response. And why the whole group? Because emotional responses are catchy. Like yawning. Laughter in particular is notoriously catchy. this is all basic psychology.And why are those neurotransmitters released during these specific services with many, many people following suit in these instances?
That doesn't mean they aren't sincere. There is a difference between lying and mistaken.I disagree. Because there is a pattern. A pattern of music, and speech and atmosphere. That is created by men, those things.
I disagree. Why would we think that if we put someone in a situation where they feel different or in a mood, would that really be them wanting to be saved or would they have been 'highly encouraged' by the scenario.That doesn't mean they aren't sincere. There is a difference between lying and mistaken.
When I was young, my church use to have these things called altar calls. The whole thing was highly staged and manipulative. The organist and piano would start playing softly, the pastor's voice would start pleading. People would say Amen and Halleluyah, and the emotions would start "catching." It would always snag someone who would get "saved." The church didn't look at this as being deliberately manipulative. They saw it at trying desperately to save people from hell. All their intentions were good.
I have been to similar sorts of churches. My experience is that this was quite manipulative: the diploma of ministries which the preacher completed included lessons on which cords were the best to insight emotion in the congregation and a collection was taken right after this.When I was young, my church use to have these things called altar calls. The whole thing was highly staged and manipulative. The organist and piano would start playing softly, the pastor's voice would start pleading.
I didn't say I believed in Altar calls. I simply said that the people who do them are not being deliberately manipulative. They are quite sincere.I disagree. Why would we think that if we put someone in a situation where they feel different or in a mood, would that really be them wanting to be saved or would they have been 'highly encouraged' by the scenario.
I am just not one who believes that the end justifies the means. And I think that since God cares about our heart and motivations that God see's it that way too, IMHO.
I'm glad my own church doesn't do this. I'm simply saying that these churches are not being deliberately manipulative but are highly sincere.I have been to similar sorts of churches. My experience is that this was quite manipulative: the diploma of ministries which the preacher completed included lessons on which cords were the best to insight emotion in the congregation and a collection was taken right after this.
It certainly can be! I've been overcome by the Holy Spirit.I would like you guys to give your opinion on this. Can this be the work of the holy spirit?
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