Drunk in the Spirit?

[Meowzltov]

But all unbiblical.

Lot's of things aren't in the Bible. It doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them. Alter calls aren't in the Bible. Anything wrong with alter calls?

 

[swordsman1]

Lot's of things aren't in the Bible. It doesn't mean there's anything wrong with them.

It does if they are contrary to how scripture says we should behave.

 

[Meowzltov]

It does if they are contrary to how scripture says we should behave.

I don't see how entering into an ecstatic state is contrary to the Scriptures.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I would like you guys to give your opinion on this. Can this be the work of the holy spirit?

I doubt it. I especially doubt it when the speaker rants to the audience--while supposedly 'drunk in the spirit' himself--that if you don't "get in on this new move of the spirit," or if you dare to criticize it, then......you'll be left behind at the Rapture, among other similar forms of threat and rhetoric.

That's my two cents.

 

[swordsman1]

I don't see how entering into an ecstatic state is contrary to the Scriptures.

2 Tim. 4:5 "But you, keep your head in all situations,"

1 Peter 4:7 "be of sound judgment and sober spirit"

1 Peter 5:8 "Be alert and of sober mind"

2 Timothy 4:5 "But you, be sober in all things"

1 Peter 1:13 "Therefore, with minds that are alert and fully sober"

Galatians 5:22-23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. "

Galatians 5:19-21 "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

1 Thessalonians 5:8 "But since we belong to the day, let us be sober"

1 Corinthians 14:33 "For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people."

Romans 13:13 "Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy."

1 Peter 4:3 "For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you.

Titus 1:8 "Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined."

Titus 2:2 "Teach the older men to be temperate, worthy of respect, self-controlled, and sound in faith, in love and in endurance."

Titus 2:6 "Similarly, encourage the young men to be self-controlled."

 

[Meowzltov]

2 Tim. 4:5 "But you, keep your head in all situations,"

1 Peter 4:7 "be of sound judgment and sober spirit"

1 Peter 5:8 "Be alert and of sober mind"

2 Timothy 4:5 "But you, be sober in all things"

1 Peter 1:13 "Therefore, with minds that are alert and fully sober"

Galatians 5:22-23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. "

Galatians 5:19-21 "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

1 Thessalonians 5:8 "But since we belong to the day, let us be sober"

1 Corinthians 14:33 "For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people."

Romans 13:13 "Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy."

1 Peter 4:3 "For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you.

Titus 1:8 "Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined."

Titus 2:2 "Teach the older men to be temperate, worthy of respect, self-controlled, and sound in faith, in love and in endurance."

Titus 2:6 "Similarly, encourage the young men to be self-controlled."

The human range of experience is broader than one mood. While sobriety of mood may be the norm, I think that having times of extreme joy and happiness are in line, otherwise God would not have made it natural for us.

 

[tturt]

Scriptures say they fell - in all directions. Here's some of them -
2Ch 5:14 "So that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of God."

Rev 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:"

Eze 44:4 "Then brought he me the way of the north gate before the house: and I looked, and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house of the LORD: and I fell upon my face."

"They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.” John 18:5-6

On those occasions, wonder if others said it was the enemy or lack of self control. As in Acts 2:15 "For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day."

But it was Yahweh.

 

[swordsman1]

The human range of experience is broader than one mood. While sobriety of mood may be the norm, I think that having times of extreme joy and happiness are in line, otherwise God would not have made it natural for us.

Nothing wrong with joy and happiness, but this topic is about the practice of being 'drunk in the spirit' as shown in the video.

 

[swordsman1]

On those occasions, wonder if others said it was the enemy or lack of self control. In Acts 2:15 "For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day."

The disciples were not behaving like drunkards at Pentecost. It was the locals who did not recognize the foreign languages being spoken who thought they were drunk. Peter immediately denied it "Men of Judea and all you who live in Jerusalem...these men are not drunk, as you suppose". The 3000 people who did recognize the foreign languages spoken didn't think they were drunk. They were amazed at the miracle taking place, listened to Peters sermon, and were saved.

The other scriptures you quote seem to be defending the practice of 'slain in spirit' rather than 'drunk in the spirit'. But as they are related, and both unbiblical, I will respond.

Scriptures say they fell - in all directions. Here's some of them -
2Ch 5:14 "So that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of God."

Other versions of the bible omit the not standing element. Eg NIV says "the priests could not perform their service because of the cloud". There is obviously some translational variations here, but the meaning is clear. They were not knocked out, the priests just couldn't perform their duty because of the cloud. They couldn't see a thing.

Rev 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:"

John voluntarily falls prostrate at the feet of Jesus in reverence and fear at seeing Jesus in his glory. I would do the same. John does not loose consciousness as he hears what Jesus is saying.

Eze 44:4 "Then brought he me the way of the north gate before the house: and I looked, and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house of the LORD: and I fell upon my face."

Again, Ezekiel voluntarily falls face down in a deliberate act of homage at seeing the Lord. He is still conscious as he hears the Lord speaking to him.

"They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.” John 18:5-6

The soldiers were not worshiping Jesus, they had come to arrest him!

 

[topcare]

This may come as a shock, but God's actions and ways of showing Himself are not limited to the pages of the Bible

Wow, just wow. I am in shock seeing this come from a Protestant and we Traditional Christians maintain that there is more to Christianity but we get heat for it all the time. Welcome to the club

 

[ToBeLoved]

Seriously, I have seen times when it was the Holy Spirit and times when it was just flesh running rampant.
Those who are spiritual can evaluate all things, but they themselves cannot be evaluated by others. (1 Corinthians 2:15)

Why are we then to look for the fruit of the spirit then in believers?

I believe that that is saying that non-saved people do not understand spiritual things. But that does not mean that the spiritual people cannot evaluate the spiritual people.

 

[ToBeLoved]

People allow flesh to take over. I'm sure we've all done that in one way or another... The couple sliding off their chairs - I don't know whether they had control over it or not. The power of hype can cause people to do something like that, and in this case I cannot tell whether that couple is letting flesh take over or the Holy Spirit. However, I don't think it was Satanic.. I know Rodney Howard Browne, and the anointing coming from him is not false. I know many will disagree with me on that, but I will stick with what I know.

So, why do you beleive that RHB has a true annointing? You believe the Holy Spirit needed a Holy Ghost Bartnder? I think that God does not. Sorry I DISAGREE. God is holy.

I question your discernment because God doesn't like unorder, chaos or when people are not in control of themselves.

What is your scriptural support for this?

 

[talitha]

Why are we then to look for the fruit of the spirit then in believers?

I don't see the two as being mutually exclusive... *confused*

I believe that that is saying that non-saved people do not understand spiritual things. But that does not mean that the spiritual people cannot evaluate the spiritual people.

There are saved people who are not spiritual; there are times when a saved person is more spiritual than others....

So, why do you beleive that RHB has a true annointing? You believe the Holy Spirit needed a Holy Ghost Bartnder? I think that God does not. Sorry I DISAGREE. God is holy

I believe RHB has a true anointing because I know him by the Spirit. I don't believe the Holy Spirit needs anything; I believe He is sovereign, and He decides what He will do. I agree that God is holy, but I don't think that means he's opposed to fun.

 

[tturt]

posted: "The soldiers were not worshiping Jesus, they had come to arrest him!"

Yeah I know but they couldn't help themselves. Yeshua's presence affected the non-believers as well as believers.

Even the angel of The Lord affected the soldiers at the tomb "And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: 4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men." Matt 28

Posted: John does not loose consciousness

Where did that come from?

 

[Meowzltov]

Nothing wrong with joy and happiness, but this topic is about the practice of being 'drunk in the spirit' as shown in the video.

Being drunk in the spirit is a natural normal expression of great happiness. It is simply the body's normal response.

 

[brinny]

It won't be from God if these practices are contrary to how scripture instructs us to behave.

1 Peter 4:7 "be of sound judgment and sober spirit"
1 Peter 5:8 "Be alert and of sober mind"
2 Timothy 4:5 "But you, be sober in all things"
1 Peter 1:13 "Therefore, with minds that are alert and fully sober"
Galatians 5:22-23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. "
Galatians 5:19-21 "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

You beat me to it.

 

[brinny]

Being drunk in the spirit is a natural normal expression of great happiness. It is simply the body's normal response.

Is it God's joy that is being demonstrated?

 

[ToBeLoved]

I don't see the two as being mutually exclusive... *confused*

There are saved people who are not spiritual; there are times when a saved person is more spiritual than others....


I believe RHB has a true anointing because I know him by the Spirit. I don't believe the Holy Spirit needs anything; I believe He is sovereign, and He decides what He will do. I agree that God is holy, but I don't think that means he's opposed to fun.

However. The Holy Spirit is God so He will not act in anyway that is contrary to Gods Word.

So to be drunk in the Spirit if it Is the Holy Spirit than it does not contradict with the Bible. So where is the Biblical precedent?

That your spirit thinks it is is not proof but opinion.

We test all things against the Word.

 

[ToBeLoved]

It won't be from God if these practices are contrary to how scripture instructs us to behave.

1 Peter 4:7 "be of sound judgment and sober spirit"
1 Peter 5:8 "Be alert and of sober mind"
2 Timothy 4:5 "But you, be sober in all things"
1 Peter 1:13 "Therefore, with minds that are alert and fully sober"
Galatians 5:22-23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. "
Galatians 5:19-21 "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Amen. Brother!

The drunkenness verse seems very applicable here.

 

[talitha]

where is the Biblical precedent?

As I said before, God is not limited to the pages of the Bible.
He is infinite. He also invented fun.

That your spirit thinks it is is not proof but opinion.

The intellect requires proof; the spirit knows by the spirit. It's hard to explain in words....