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I think you two are talking past each other. I’m not Pentacostal, but I definitely relate to 1stcenturylady’s point about the power of the Holy Spirit. It is a phenomenal, life changing thing. On the other hand, I also understand what you’re saying about the sufficiency of Calvary and the fact that we cannot lead sinless lives. Even Paul lamented this fact in Romans 7:15-20.

So yeah…you’re both right. :clap:

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I appreciate it. It is wonderful that you understand the power of the Holy Spirit. One thing I would like to point out is Romans 7 is still about those under the law, like Paul was when he was a Pharisee when through the law sin was alive. He is also referring to the world before Moses, then the law came. At the end of the chapter is the introduction to Jesus - who can save me from this body of death - Jesus. You see sin was still alive in chapter 7, but we are dead to sin as a Christian. So chapter 7 is still Paul's teaching on the law of sin and death. But Romans 8:2 says that the law of the Spirit of life in Christ has freed me from the law of sin and death. That is why 8:9 says we are NOT IN THE FLESH, but in the Spirit IF we have the Spirit of Christ. See here:

9 I was alive once without the law (pre-Moses), but when the commandment came (Moses), sin revived and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. 12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

13 Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.

Jay, even though I am Charismatic, am Spirit-filled and have some of the gifts of the Spirit, I am not Pentecostal in the sense I do not believe the evidence of having the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues. No, it is power over sin. I've known many Spirit-filled cessationists who have the same power that I do who don't exercise any gifts they recognize as gifts - but I do recognize it in them. LOL What an eye-opener that was for me when I recognized the Spirit in a Seventh-day Adventist preacher. (I left that denomination when I was 23, when I learned about grace, but as my friend I am debating with on here believes in grace. But when I became Spirit-filled and received such power I had never known before, and was able to resist sinning willfully and permanently, I saw things in Scripture that I hadn't seen before, such as grace is the power of God to not sin, not just unmerited favor.)

I sent her my testimony of the night I received the Holy Spirit. If you want to hear it, start a conversation and I'll send it to you.
 
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Homily on the Sunday of the last Judgement (Yes we have a Sunday every year dedicated to the last Judgement.)

The Sunday of the Last Judgment - Speaking the Truth in Love | Ancient Faith Ministries

The third Sunday of the pre-Lenten season in the Orthodox Church—which would be the second Sunday before the beginning of Great Lent—is called the Sunday of the Last Judgment. At this Sunday, at the Sunday service, the Divine Liturgy, the very well-known parable of Christ in Matthew 25 is the reading, the parable of the Last Judgment. And on this Sunday, of course, as usual, all of the hymns for the day—vespers, matins, there’s a canon at matins—[are] all dedicated to a reflection and meditation on the final judgment.

In this parable, Jesus says that when the Son of Man comes in his glory with all of his angels and sits upon his glorious throne, that he will gather before him all the nations, and this tells us that all the nations and all the peoples of the earth and every individual person will give an account of his or her life at the end of the ages. In fact, in our Orthodox Church, this final judgment is anticipated when a person dies. It would be the teaching of the Orthodox Church that when we die, we immediately are in the presence of the risen and glorified Christ, and that encounter is already constituting a judgment.

It’s important to see also that the judgment is simply the presence of Christ. Jesus said that already in St. John’s Gospel when he was on the earth when he said, “I didn’t come to condemn the world. I didn’t even come to judge the world.” He said, “My words are a judgment. My presence is a judgment. You are making the judgment, not me. I have come to save you,” but this is the judgment that he said had come. In St. John’s Gospel he says, “The light has shined in the darkness, but some people did not accept it because they loved darkness more than light because their deeds were evil.” And the light of God itself is a judgment. It makes things known. It makes things clear. Things are then seen for what they really are. We Christians believe that that is what happens when we die, and when we die we are somehow projected immediately into the final end of the world, the final coming of Christ.

St. John Chrysostom, whom we often refer to, said, “What a strange kind of a judgment it is. In fact, there’s no judge. There’s no defense lawyer. There’s no prosecuting attorney. There’s even no jury. There’s just Christ and us. That’s it.” And we pronounce the judgment on ourselves. How do we do it? The Lord tells us in this parable. He said when all the nations and all the people are gathered before him, he will separate them. By the way, that verb, “separate,” that’s where you get the verb “judge, krisis.” It means to kind of set a line down the middle to show how things actually are. In fact, you might say even judging means to make that decision: where do you stand? Where do you put yourself at this judgment?

Then in the parable—it’s very interesting how the Lord says that he will sit there as the King, and he will say to some on his right hand, “Come, blessed of my Father; inherit the kingdom prepared [for] you from before the foundation of the world.” Then he says the reason that they are inheriting the kingdom that is prepared for them is because, “I was hungry and you gave me food. I was thirsty; you gave me drink. I was a stranger, and you took me in, you welcomed me. I was naked; you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was in prison; you came to me.” Amazingly, the righteous, the just, those who will be saved, those who will stand the judgment, they ask him, “When did we see you? When did we actually see you hungry or thirsty or homeless or naked or sick or imprisoned?” Then the King, the Lord, Christ, will answer, “Truly, I say to you: as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.”

It’s interesting to note this expression “Truly, I say to you.” “Amen,” it says in Greek: “Amen, I say to you.” Sometimes when scholars are looking at the New Testament to try to find what is really original there, what can you really not find any precedent for at all, particularly in the Bible in the Old Testament, this is one of them, that Jesus in the New Testament often addresses people by saying, “Amen, amen,” or “Truly, truly,” or in the Old King James, “Verily, verily, I say to you.” “Amin, amin, legō ymin,” in Greek. He says, “Amin,” first. Normally when a person speaks, the person who listens or who hears is supposed to respond: “Amen, so be it,” but Jesus says, “Amen,” first, which means what he is saying, “This is not a matter of discussion. I am not interested in your ‘Amen’ to this one. Iam saying ‘Amen’ first, which means that this is, in fact, the truth. This is non-negotiable.” So he says, “Amen, I say to you. If you have done it to the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.”

Now when he speaks to those on the left—he separates them, it says, like sheep and goats. Someone once asked what the Lord has against goats. He has nothing against them. It’s simply a parable that the animals must be separated. But when he says to those on the left hand, “Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, unending fire prepared for the devil and his angels.” And then he says the same words, but in a negative way: “I was hungry and you did not feed me. Thirsty, you did not give me drink. Naked, you did not clothe me. A stranger, you did not take me in. Sick and in prison, you didn’t come to me.” And then they also say, exactly like the just, “When did we see you? When did we see you hungry, thirsty, a stranger, naked, sick, or in prison and not serve you, not minister to you?” Then he will answer them: “Truly, I say to you. Amen, I say to you. Inasmuch as you did not do this to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it not to me.” Then he says that they will go away into unending punishment, agelong, eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal or everlasting life.

The judgment, then, is on how we treat people. The judgment ultimately is love. Did we love our neighbor, our enemy? Did we love our fellow human beings? That’s it. That is it, because the commandment of God, the great and holy commandment, the S h’ma Yisrael, is that you will love the Lord your God with all your mind, all your heart, all your soul, and all your strength. That’s how it’s quoted in the New Testament. In the Old Testament, there’s no “mind,” because in Hebrew, “heart” and “mind” were the same thing, but in the New Testament, written in Greek, they add specifically “mind.” That means, of course, that we are to love God with everything we think, with everything that we desire, with everything that we know. With all our soul it means all our behavior, our nefesh, our life, our activity. Then with all our strength, that doesn’t mean strength like in a gymnasium or a workout center. It’s strength meaning all the power that you have: your property, your money, your clout in society, whatever kind of power you have, particularly money, property. We have to love God with all those things: mind, soul, heart, and strength.

And then the second great commandment that goes with it from the Levitical code is that we are to love our neighbor as beingour very own self. In other words, we find ourselves in our neighbor. Sometimes people want to speak about loving ourselves, that we should have a healthy self-love. That’s true. We should not be down on ourselves or berate ourselves or beat ourselves up or fall in any kind of despair over ourselves. We are made by God, and we are loved by God.

However, self-love, philofteia in Greek, which St. Maximus, one of our great saints, said, is the original sin. When you’re not loving God and neighbor, but you’re just loving yourself, that loving of ourselves is so destructive according to the Church Fathers because we don’t have any self in ourselves. We’re made in the image and likeness of God who is love, so the only way we can really love ourselves properly is by loving our neighbor. Even in Hebrew, that’s probably how it should be translated: “You shall love your neighbor because your neighbor is your very own self. You have no self in yourself.” You only find and fulfill yourself by denying your so-called self in love for the neighbor, and then your self is affirmed. It appears. It’s realized. Here, I think it’s important to note that the paraphrases of the New Testament that say, “You shall love your neighbor as you love yourself,” are not really an accurate rendering of the text.

In any case, it is a clear teaching of the Holy Scripture that the only way we can prove our love for God is by loving the person next to us, our neighbor. Of course, Jesus teaches that our neighbor is the worst enemy we can think of. In fact, if we wanted to evaluate how we’re doing as a human being, as a Christian, we would just ask ourselves, “How would I treat the person that I hate the most and that hates me the most? How do I treat the one that for me is the most ugly enemy I can think of?” When we see how we do it, then we’ll see if we love God or not, because it’s exactly that person that we have to love.

So the love of God is proved by the love of the neighbor, and this is said explicitly in I John, when he says how can we say we love God whom we do not see if we do not love the person next to us whom we do see. Anyone who claims that they love God and does not love the person next to them, according to St. John is just a liar. Just a liar. So the love has to be expressed to the human being. That’s where we show our love for God.

The same St. John, in his first letter, also said, “Let us love not in speech or in word, but in deed, in work, and in truth,” because the only way we can show that we are lovers is by how we act, how we behave. St. James says in the Scripture that that’s the only way we can prove we are believers. He said, “Show me your faith without your work.” You can’t do it. Faith without works is dead. The devil believes in God, but he does no works and therefore he shudders, the Apostle James says. So we have to act. We have to work.

All through the Scripture—in the psalms, in the proverbs, in the prophets, in the New Testament—it says on the day of judgment we will stand according to our works—kata ta erga, it says in Greek—according to our works. What is written in the Book of Life, the Book of Judgment, which is sung about a lot on this day in the Church, what is written is what we have done, not what we have claimed, not what we have verbally or mentally affirmed, not what we have said, but what we have done, this activity.

Love has to be expressed in concrete, specific acts, and that is what the judgment is based on. However—and this is a very good case study to prove that you cannot isolate any texts of Scripture from the whole of Scripture; any texts must be read in the light of the skopos as the Holy Fathers say, the whole scope of the entire Scripture—here when we think about this parable of the judgment, we have to know that those acts which express love, which are absolutely necessary—feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty, clothing the naked, taking in the stranger, the homeless, visiting the sick and the imprisoned—those are acts that must express love. But here the Holy Fathers point out that according to Holy Scripture, even such external acts can be done without love, and when they are done without love, they profit us nothing, as the Apostle Paul said, and they are nothing.

So we have to read Matthew 25 in the light of I Corinthians 13, where the Apostle Paul says not only, “If I speak with the tongues of men and angels and have all faith to move mountains and have knowledge of all the mysteries and have not love, I am nothing and it profits me nothing,” but he also says, “If I give everything I have to the poor, if I even give my body to be burned, and I’m not doing it out of love, then it profits me nothing.” And this is very frightening, because it is possible to feed the hungry and give drink to the thirsty and clothe the naked and shelter the homeless and visit the sick and the imprisoned without really having love for them.

And that’s why Jesus says that it has to be “as to one of his brethren.” We have to see him in it. It cannot simply be, so to speak, an act of charity or philanthropy as such. Oh, it has to be philanthropy because it has to have philia, it has to have friendship, but it’s possible to do these good acts, really objectively good acts, out of pride, out of vanity, out of arrogance, out of judgment for those who don’t do them. For example, I can feed the hungry and say, “Look at me! I’m feeding the hungry, not like that guy across the street who never does it.” I could go visiting people in the hospital or in a prison and say, “Look at me!” And then those people in the prison or in the hospital, they just become projects of my own vanity.

In fact, St. John Climacus, of the Ladder, he said, “Why is it that some people who do so many beautiful, righteous acts when they are healthy—they visit sick people and they help homeless people—but once they get sick and they can’t do it any more, they turn into monsters.” They’re cranky, they’re bitter, they’re judgmental. He says, “Why is it?” Or why is it that a person who may be very virtuous in the world will enter a monastery and turn into a total terror? He said, “The reason is because the righteous activity while we were living among our fellows, incapable of working with them”—these are his words—“was irrigated by the putrid sewage of vainglory, of vanity.”

In fact, St. Cyprian of Carthage went so far to say we could even die as a martyr for Christ and not be saved because we can do that out of arrogance and vanity and pride and judgment of others. He said if a person dies a martyr out of self-will, not because he’s caught and persecuted, he violates the commandment and simply ends up in hell. So it’s very terrifying to think.

But Jesus himself said this. He said it in the sermon on the mountain when he said, “On the day of judgment, many—polloi—will come, and they’ll say, ‘Lord, we cast out demons in your name. Lord, we did miracles in your name. Lord, we prophesied in your name.’—” I’m tempted to say, “Lord, we spoke and listened to Ancient Faith Radio in your name,” and then we can continue: “We fed the hungry in your name. We gave drink to the thirsty in your name. We clothed the naked in your name. We visited the sick and the imprisoned in your name.” And then we may hear the words of Jesus in the sermon on the mountain where he says, “I never knew you. Depart from me, you evil-doer.” Three times it says, “In your name we did these things,” and he says, “Depart from me. I never knew you. You are an evil-doer.”

How can that be? The answer’s pretty clear. It’s because we did those things without love. We didn’t really do them for the love of God and the love of our neighbor. We did them for our own self-interest, our own self-esteem, our own vanity, our own pride, our own judgment of others. So the judgment, ultimately, is based on love! Sure, love has to be expressed in specific activities that the Lord lists in this parable, but those activities in and of themselves—we know from the Scripture as a whole, certainly from the Apostle Paul—that those activities can be done without love and therefore they profit us nothing. If we do them that way, without love, we may hear on the day of judgment, “Depart from me, you evil-doer. I never knew you.”

Now when we think of this parable as well, there’s a beautiful interpretation of it by St. Augustine, Blessed Augustine of Hippo, and also a very similar one by St. Simeon the New Theologian. My guess is that St. Simeon did not know what St. Augustine said. He may have, but in any case, they say the same thing, and they say this: In this parable, Jesus insists that what you do to others you have done to him, that the Son of God has become human and identified himself with every human being. Not only when you see him do you see God, but when you see him, you see every human being, too. He has taken on the sin of the whole world. He has taken on the suffering of the whole world in order to save it. It’s called the blessed exchange: he becomes what we are so that we can be what he is. He takes everything that is ours so that we can have everything that is his.

In this parable, this is how these Holy Fathers interpret it. It’s very beautiful. They say: The Lord said, “I was hungry. I was thirsty,” and they say he really was. When he was on the earth, he hungered. When he was on the earth, he thirsted. In fact, from the cross, one of his words in St. John’s Gospel recorded is, “I thirst.” The saints say the Lord, Son of God, came on earth, became human, and was hungry, and through his being hungry, he became for us the Bread of Life. That if we eat of that Bread which he is we will never die, but in order to become bread for us, the body broken, he had to hunger himself.

Then it says that he thirsted. He thirsted in order that he could give us the living water that, if we drink it, we will never thirst again. He thirsted on the cross that from his side could come forth this blood and this water, the living water and the Blood that is his own blood that he gives and sheds for the life of the world. That if we drink of that, we will never thirst again. So he becomes thirsty to become our drink, so that through his thirsting we would never be thirsty again. He hungers to become our bread, so that when we are hungry and eat him, we are never hungry again.

Then the Fathers continued. They said, “And he was a stranger.” He came into the world and the world did not receive him. He came unto his own home, his own people; they did not accept him. He said, “Foxes have holes and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.” The Lord Jesus has no place in this world. He was cast out of the city of Jerusalem, outside the walls, outside the gate, crucified among thieves at the hands of Gentiles, totally rejected, having no place here at all. He is the stranger.

In fact, on Great and Holy Friday in our Orthodox Church, we will sing, “Where shall we bury this stranger?” But by beingestranged, by being a stranger, by being homeless in this world, he himself becomes our home. He takes us home to the house of the Father. So by being a stranger, he overcomes our estrangement, and through his estrangement we are no longer strangers. We are now fellow citizens with the saints, as St. Paul says, members of the household of God.

Then he says, as well, “I was naked, and you clothed me.” The Holy Fathers say, “Yes, indeed, he was naked.” He was naked in the Bethlehem cave, born of Mary. He was naked on that table being circumcised by the priest on the eighth day according to Moses’ law. He was naked in the Jordan River when he was baptized for us and for our salvation, so that we could be baptized and die and rise in and with him. He was naked when he hanged upon the cross. He was naked and wrapped in grave clothes as he was wrapped in swaddling clothes when he was born, wrapped in grave clothes when he was dead, naked and put into a sepulcher, into a tomb.

He became naked for us so that through his nakedness, we would be clothed. That’s how St. Paul writes to Galatians that we sing in our Orthodox Church on every major feast day in place of the thrice-holy hymn. We sing it at every baptism: “As many as have been baptized into Christ have clothed themselves in Christ.” So by becoming naked and identifying with everyone who is naked, the Lord Jesus Christ becomes our clothing and we are never naked again. The nakedness of Adam is now clothed again in Christ, the glory of God, “the radiance of the Father,” as St. Paul says to Hebrews.

The same way that he becomes our bread and our food by becoming hungry, he becomes our drink by being thirsty, he becomes our home by being homeless, so also he becomes our clothing by being naked. And he was in prison. He was imprisoned. He was arrested by the police of Jerusalem. He was taken captive by the guard of the high priest and by Pilate himself, Jews and Gentiles, religion and politics. They all came together to imprison the Christ, and they put him in jail where he was beaten, mocked, ridiculed, spit upon, scourged, and ultimately executed—legally! He was put to death legally, with the accusation put upon his cross: “The King of the Jews.”

So he was imprisoned, and he was wounded. He became imprisoned, a prisoner, to set us free. By being imprisoned, he liberated us from our imprisonment and set us free forever with the freedom of the children of God, the glorious freedom of the children of God, the freedom of the Holy Spirit, the freedom of God himself. But he could only free us by being imprisoned.

Being sick—he was worse than sick. He never was sick with a sickness or a disease. He could heal the diseases, but he was wounded for our transgression. His hands were pierced in nails. His head was crowned with thorns. His side was pierced with a spear. He was put to death. He experienced pain greater than all of the pain and suffering of all of humanity taken all together, because he who was suffering on the cross was the Son of God, so by his “sickness,” so to speak, his suffering, his pains, our pains were healed. Our ssuffering was assuaged. And by his death—he became the dead one, not only sick, but dead—so that by his death he could become our life.

This is how the Holy Fathers see this parable of the last judgment. The judgment really is: How do we relate to every single human being? Because for us, every single human being is Christ himself. Christ identified with everyone and everything, and he certainly identified, according to this parable, with the hungry, the thirsty, the homeless, the stranger, the naked, the sick, the imprisoned, and ultimately even the dead. And the judgment on humanity is how we related to that, whether or not we knew it, because in the parable, both the righteous and the unrighteous ask, “When did we see you? When did we do these things to you?” And the answer is: “When you did it to the least person, the least of my brethren”—because he became like his brethren in every respect except sin, it says in the letter to the Hebrews—“then you did it to me.”

At the end of our earthly life and at the end of the age, every single human being will stand before the judgment seat of Christ. As Chrysostom said, “No judge, no jury, no prosecuting attorney, no defense lawyer—just Christ and me.” Christ and us. And the question that will be asked: “Were you a lover? Did you love in concrete acts of righteousness?” And: “Were your acts of righteousness, your good deeds, filled with love? Were they done out of love? Because if they were done to the least, lowliest human being,” God almighty says to us in the Person of his Son, Jesus, “then they were done to me.”

Forgive me...
 
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Christ speaking:
Matthew 25:31-46

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

Works.

Because you did not believe? No. Because you weren't a Christian? No.

Because of the things that were done and the things that were not done. AKA ~ Just rewards for living a righteous life, by the law written on your heart if needed.

We may find Gandhi in heaven. I hope we're all comfortable with that.

Forgive me...

We may even find Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses in heaven. At least, I believe many will be. The core of Jesus being the Son of God and their Savior is present in both, whether they have everything else wrong, they have that right.
 
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Where do these elders get these prayers of the saints?

Rev 5:8
"And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints."

Why do they have them?

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This is what I see....
All of these prayers are prayers of the saints through out time crying out for His Kingdom to come, "Come Lord, Jesus." Just as the prayers of the martyrs under the alter cry out.
This is end times prophecy.

Rev 8:3 and another messenger did come, and he stood at the altar, having a golden censer, and there was given to him much perfume, that he may give it to the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar that is before the throne,
Rev 8:4 and go up did the smoke of the perfumes to the prayers of the saints out of the hand of the messenger, before God;
Rev 8:5 and the messenger took the censer, and did fill it out of the fire of the altar, and did cast it to the earth, and there came voices, and thunders, and lightnings, and an earthquake.
 
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In other words, even though Jesus said believing was the "will of the Father" and is all one must "do" to be saved, it's not enough.

Entirely possible. Our needs are not the same. A man who has been to war has different needs than a girl who grows up on a farm living a wholesome life.

Forgive me...
 
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Entirely possible. Our needs are not the same. A man who has been to war has different needs than a girl who grows up on a farm living a wholesome life.

Forgive me...

And that somehow means our "needs" for salvation are different?
 
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And that somehow means our "needs" for salvation are different?

Here is what we "need" for salvation.

More on salvation by faith in Christ alone, not works: (So many people truly need to know this)

"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:


That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
- John 3:14-18

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." - John 3:36

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." - John 5:24

"Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed."

"Then said they unto him, 'What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?'"

Jesus answered and said unto them, 'This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.'" - John 6:27-29

"For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."
- John 6:38-40

There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:1)

The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in His Son. (Romans 6:23)

Christ is the end of the Law for all who believe. (Romans 10:4)

We are saved by grace, through faith, not of works. (Ephesians 2:8)

We must not go about to establish our own righteousness. (Romans 10:1-4)

God is not willing that any should perish, but that all would come to repentance. - (2 Peter 3:9)

Repentance from "dead works" and faith toward God. - (Hebrews 6:1)

By the works of the Law no flesh will be justified, but only by faith in Christ. (Galatians 2:16)

Also read Romans 4, Romans 5, Galatians 5, Hebrews 4, Hebrews 11

Our salvation is entirely by faith in Christ and what He has done. (The Gospel) 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
 
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Homily on the Sunday of the last Judgement (Yes we have a Sunday every year dedicated to the last Judgement.)

The Sunday of the Last Judgment - Speaking the Truth in Love | Ancient Faith Ministries

The third Sunday of the pre-Lenten season in the Orthodox Church—which would be the second Sunday before the beginning of Great Lent—is called the Sunday of the Last Judgment. At this Sunday, at the Sunday service, the Divine Liturgy, the very well-known parable of Christ in Matthew 25 is the reading, the parable of the Last Judgment. And on this Sunday, of course, as usual, all of the hymns for the day—vespers, matins, there’s a canon at matins—[are] all dedicated to a reflection and meditation on the final judgment.

In this parable, Jesus says that when the Son of Man comes in his glory with all of his angels and sits upon his glorious throne, that he will gather before him all the nations, and this tells us that all the nations and all the peoples of the earth and every individual person will give an account of his or her life at the end of the ages. In fact, in our Orthodox Church, this final judgment is anticipated when a person dies. It would be the teaching of the Orthodox Church that when we die, we immediately are in the presence of the risen and glorified Christ, and that encounter is already constituting a judgment.

It’s important to see also that the judgment is simply the presence of Christ. Jesus said that already in St. John’s Gospel when he was on the earth when he said, “I didn’t come to condemn the world. I didn’t even come to judge the world.” He said, “My words are a judgment. My presence is a judgment. You are making the judgment, not me. I have come to save you,” but this is the judgment that he said had come. In St. John’s Gospel he says, “The light has shined in the darkness, but some people did not accept it because they loved darkness more than light because their deeds were evil.” And the light of God itself is a judgment. It makes things known. It makes things clear. Things are then seen for what they really are. We Christians believe that that is what happens when we die, and when we die we are somehow projected immediately into the final end of the world, the final coming of Christ.

St. John Chrysostom, whom we often refer to, said, “What a strange kind of a judgment it is. In fact, there’s no judge. There’s no defense lawyer. There’s no prosecuting attorney. There’s even no jury. There’s just Christ and us. That’s it.” And we pronounce the judgment on ourselves. How do we do it? The Lord tells us in this parable. He said when all the nations and all the people are gathered before him, he will separate them. By the way, that verb, “separate,” that’s where you get the verb “judge, krisis.” It means to kind of set a line down the middle to show how things actually are. In fact, you might say even judging means to make that decision: where do you stand? Where do you put yourself at this judgment?

Then in the parable—it’s very interesting how the Lord says that he will sit there as the King, and he will say to some on his right hand, “Come, blessed of my Father; inherit the kingdom prepared [for] you from before the foundation of the world.” Then he says the reason that they are inheriting the kingdom that is prepared for them is because, “I was hungry and you gave me food. I was thirsty; you gave me drink. I was a stranger, and you took me in, you welcomed me. I was naked; you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was in prison; you came to me.” Amazingly, the righteous, the just, those who will be saved, those who will stand the judgment, they ask him, “When did we see you? When did we actually see you hungry or thirsty or homeless or naked or sick or imprisoned?” Then the King, the Lord, Christ, will answer, “Truly, I say to you: as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.”

It’s interesting to note this expression “Truly, I say to you.” “Amen,” it says in Greek: “Amen, I say to you.” Sometimes when scholars are looking at the New Testament to try to find what is really original there, what can you really not find any precedent for at all, particularly in the Bible in the Old Testament, this is one of them, that Jesus in the New Testament often addresses people by saying, “Amen, amen,” or “Truly, truly,” or in the Old King James, “Verily, verily, I say to you.” “Amin, amin, legō ymin,” in Greek. He says, “Amin,” first. Normally when a person speaks, the person who listens or who hears is supposed to respond: “Amen, so be it,” but Jesus says, “Amen,” first, which means what he is saying, “This is not a matter of discussion. I am not interested in your ‘Amen’ to this one. Iam saying ‘Amen’ first, which means that this is, in fact, the truth. This is non-negotiable.” So he says, “Amen, I say to you. If you have done it to the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.”

Now when he speaks to those on the left—he separates them, it says, like sheep and goats. Someone once asked what the Lord has against goats. He has nothing against them. It’s simply a parable that the animals must be separated. But when he says to those on the left hand, “Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, unending fire prepared for the devil and his angels.” And then he says the same words, but in a negative way: “I was hungry and you did not feed me. Thirsty, you did not give me drink. Naked, you did not clothe me. A stranger, you did not take me in. Sick and in prison, you didn’t come to me.” And then they also say, exactly like the just, “When did we see you? When did we see you hungry, thirsty, a stranger, naked, sick, or in prison and not serve you, not minister to you?” Then he will answer them: “Truly, I say to you. Amen, I say to you. Inasmuch as you did not do this to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it not to me.” Then he says that they will go away into unending punishment, agelong, eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal or everlasting life.

The judgment, then, is on how we treat people. The judgment ultimately is love. Did we love our neighbor, our enemy? Did we love our fellow human beings? That’s it. That is it, because the commandment of God, the great and holy commandment, the S h’ma Yisrael, is that you will love the Lord your God with all your mind, all your heart, all your soul, and all your strength. That’s how it’s quoted in the New Testament. In the Old Testament, there’s no “mind,” because in Hebrew, “heart” and “mind” were the same thing, but in the New Testament, written in Greek, they add specifically “mind.” That means, of course, that we are to love God with everything we think, with everything that we desire, with everything that we know. With all our soul it means all our behavior, our nefesh, our life, our activity. Then with all our strength, that doesn’t mean strength like in a gymnasium or a workout center. It’s strength meaning all the power that you have: your property, your money, your clout in society, whatever kind of power you have, particularly money, property. We have to love God with all those things: mind, soul, heart, and strength.

And then the second great commandment that goes with it from the Levitical code is that we are to love our neighbor as beingour very own self. In other words, we find ourselves in our neighbor. Sometimes people want to speak about loving ourselves, that we should have a healthy self-love. That’s true. We should not be down on ourselves or berate ourselves or beat ourselves up or fall in any kind of despair over ourselves. We are made by God, and we are loved by God.

However, self-love, philofteia in Greek, which St. Maximus, one of our great saints, said, is the original sin. When you’re not loving God and neighbor, but you’re just loving yourself, that loving of ourselves is so destructive according to the Church Fathers because we don’t have any self in ourselves. We’re made in the image and likeness of God who is love, so the only way we can really love ourselves properly is by loving our neighbor. Even in Hebrew, that’s probably how it should be translated: “You shall love your neighbor because your neighbor is your very own self. You have no self in yourself.” You only find and fulfill yourself by denying your so-called self in love for the neighbor, and then your self is affirmed. It appears. It’s realized. Here, I think it’s important to note that the paraphrases of the New Testament that say, “You shall love your neighbor as you love yourself,” are not really an accurate rendering of the text.

In any case, it is a clear teaching of the Holy Scripture that the only way we can prove our love for God is by loving the person next to us, our neighbor. Of course, Jesus teaches that our neighbor is the worst enemy we can think of. In fact, if we wanted to evaluate how we’re doing as a human being, as a Christian, we would just ask ourselves, “How would I treat the person that I hate the most and that hates me the most? How do I treat the one that for me is the most ugly enemy I can think of?” When we see how we do it, then we’ll see if we love God or not, because it’s exactly that person that we have to love.

So the love of God is proved by the love of the neighbor, and this is said explicitly in I John, when he says how can we say we love God whom we do not see if we do not love the person next to us whom we do see. Anyone who claims that they love God and does not love the person next to them, according to St. John is just a liar. Just a liar. So the love has to be expressed to the human being. That’s where we show our love for God.

The same St. John, in his first letter, also said, “Let us love not in speech or in word, but in deed, in work, and in truth,” because the only way we can show that we are lovers is by how we act, how we behave. St. James says in the Scripture that that’s the only way we can prove we are believers. He said, “Show me your faith without your work.” You can’t do it. Faith without works is dead. The devil believes in God, but he does no works and therefore he shudders, the Apostle James says. So we have to act. We have to work.

All through the Scripture—in the psalms, in the proverbs, in the prophets, in the New Testament—it says on the day of judgment we will stand according to our works—kata ta erga, it says in Greek—according to our works. What is written in the Book of Life, the Book of Judgment, which is sung about a lot on this day in the Church, what is written is what we have done, not what we have claimed, not what we have verbally or mentally affirmed, not what we have said, but what we have done, this activity.

Love has to be expressed in concrete, specific acts, and that is what the judgment is based on. However—and this is a very good case study to prove that you cannot isolate any texts of Scripture from the whole of Scripture; any texts must be read in the light of the skopos as the Holy Fathers say, the whole scope of the entire Scripture—here when we think about this parable of the judgment, we have to know that those acts which express love, which are absolutely necessary—feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty, clothing the naked, taking in the stranger, the homeless, visiting the sick and the imprisoned—those are acts that must express love. But here the Holy Fathers point out that according to Holy Scripture, even such external acts can be done without love, and when they are done without love, they profit us nothing, as the Apostle Paul said, and they are nothing.

So we have to read Matthew 25 in the light of I Corinthians 13, where the Apostle Paul says not only, “If I speak with the tongues of men and angels and have all faith to move mountains and have knowledge of all the mysteries and have not love, I am nothing and it profits me nothing,” but he also says, “If I give everything I have to the poor, if I even give my body to be burned, and I’m not doing it out of love, then it profits me nothing.” And this is very frightening, because it is possible to feed the hungry and give drink to the thirsty and clothe the naked and shelter the homeless and visit the sick and the imprisoned without really having love for them.

And that’s why Jesus says that it has to be “as to one of his brethren.” We have to see him in it. It cannot simply be, so to speak, an act of charity or philanthropy as such. Oh, it has to be philanthropy because it has to have philia, it has to have friendship, but it’s possible to do these good acts, really objectively good acts, out of pride, out of vanity, out of arrogance, out of judgment for those who don’t do them. For example, I can feed the hungry and say, “Look at me! I’m feeding the hungry, not like that guy across the street who never does it.” I could go visiting people in the hospital or in a prison and say, “Look at me!” And then those people in the prison or in the hospital, they just become projects of my own vanity.

In fact, St. John Climacus, of the Ladder, he said, “Why is it that some people who do so many beautiful, righteous acts when they are healthy—they visit sick people and they help homeless people—but once they get sick and they can’t do it any more, they turn into monsters.” They’re cranky, they’re bitter, they’re judgmental. He says, “Why is it?” Or why is it that a person who may be very virtuous in the world will enter a monastery and turn into a total terror? He said, “The reason is because the righteous activity while we were living among our fellows, incapable of working with them”—these are his words—“was irrigated by the putrid sewage of vainglory, of vanity.”

In fact, St. Cyprian of Carthage went so far to say we could even die as a martyr for Christ and not be saved because we can do that out of arrogance and vanity and pride and judgment of others. He said if a person dies a martyr out of self-will, not because he’s caught and persecuted, he violates the commandment and simply ends up in hell. So it’s very terrifying to think.

But Jesus himself said this. He said it in the sermon on the mountain when he said, “On the day of judgment, many—polloi—will come, and they’ll say, ‘Lord, we cast out demons in your name. Lord, we did miracles in your name. Lord, we prophesied in your name.’—” I’m tempted to say, “Lord, we spoke and listened to Ancient Faith Radio in your name,” and then we can continue: “We fed the hungry in your name. We gave drink to the thirsty in your name. We clothed the naked in your name. We visited the sick and the imprisoned in your name.” And then we may hear the words of Jesus in the sermon on the mountain where he says, “I never knew you. Depart from me, you evil-doer.” Three times it says, “In your name we did these things,” and he says, “Depart from me. I never knew you. You are an evil-doer.”

How can that be? The answer’s pretty clear. It’s because we did those things without love. We didn’t really do them for the love of God and the love of our neighbor. We did them for our own self-interest, our own self-esteem, our own vanity, our own pride, our own judgment of others. So the judgment, ultimately, is based on love! Sure, love has to be expressed in specific activities that the Lord lists in this parable, but those activities in and of themselves—we know from the Scripture as a whole, certainly from the Apostle Paul—that those activities can be done without love and therefore they profit us nothing. If we do them that way, without love, we may hear on the day of judgment, “Depart from me, you evil-doer. I never knew you.”

Now when we think of this parable as well, there’s a beautiful interpretation of it by St. Augustine, Blessed Augustine of Hippo, and also a very similar one by St. Simeon the New Theologian. My guess is that St. Simeon did not know what St. Augustine said. He may have, but in any case, they say the same thing, and they say this: In this parable, Jesus insists that what you do to others you have done to him, that the Son of God has become human and identified himself with every human being. Not only when you see him do you see God, but when you see him, you see every human being, too. He has taken on the sin of the whole world. He has taken on the suffering of the whole world in order to save it. It’s called the blessed exchange: he becomes what we are so that we can be what he is. He takes everything that is ours so that we can have everything that is his.

In this parable, this is how these Holy Fathers interpret it. It’s very beautiful. They say: The Lord said, “I was hungry. I was thirsty,” and they say he really was. When he was on the earth, he hungered. When he was on the earth, he thirsted. In fact, from the cross, one of his words in St. John’s Gospel recorded is, “I thirst.” The saints say the Lord, Son of God, came on earth, became human, and was hungry, and through his being hungry, he became for us the Bread of Life. That if we eat of that Bread which he is we will never die, but in order to become bread for us, the body broken, he had to hunger himself.

Then it says that he thirsted. He thirsted in order that he could give us the living water that, if we drink it, we will never thirst again. He thirsted on the cross that from his side could come forth this blood and this water, the living water and the Blood that is his own blood that he gives and sheds for the life of the world. That if we drink of that, we will never thirst again. So he becomes thirsty to become our drink, so that through his thirsting we would never be thirsty again. He hungers to become our bread, so that when we are hungry and eat him, we are never hungry again.

Then the Fathers continued. They said, “And he was a stranger.” He came into the world and the world did not receive him. He came unto his own home, his own people; they did not accept him. He said, “Foxes have holes and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.” The Lord Jesus has no place in this world. He was cast out of the city of Jerusalem, outside the walls, outside the gate, crucified among thieves at the hands of Gentiles, totally rejected, having no place here at all. He is the stranger.

In fact, on Great and Holy Friday in our Orthodox Church, we will sing, “Where shall we bury this stranger?” But by beingestranged, by being a stranger, by being homeless in this world, he himself becomes our home. He takes us home to the house of the Father. So by being a stranger, he overcomes our estrangement, and through his estrangement we are no longer strangers. We are now fellow citizens with the saints, as St. Paul says, members of the household of God.

Then he says, as well, “I was naked, and you clothed me.” The Holy Fathers say, “Yes, indeed, he was naked.” He was naked in the Bethlehem cave, born of Mary. He was naked on that table being circumcised by the priest on the eighth day according to Moses’ law. He was naked in the Jordan River when he was baptized for us and for our salvation, so that we could be baptized and die and rise in and with him. He was naked when he hanged upon the cross. He was naked and wrapped in grave clothes as he was wrapped in swaddling clothes when he was born, wrapped in grave clothes when he was dead, naked and put into a sepulcher, into a tomb.

He became naked for us so that through his nakedness, we would be clothed. That’s how St. Paul writes to Galatians that we sing in our Orthodox Church on every major feast day in place of the thrice-holy hymn. We sing it at every baptism: “As many as have been baptized into Christ have clothed themselves in Christ.” So by becoming naked and identifying with everyone who is naked, the Lord Jesus Christ becomes our clothing and we are never naked again. The nakedness of Adam is now clothed again in Christ, the glory of God, “the radiance of the Father,” as St. Paul says to Hebrews.

The same way that he becomes our bread and our food by becoming hungry, he becomes our drink by being thirsty, he becomes our home by being homeless, so also he becomes our clothing by being naked. And he was in prison. He was imprisoned. He was arrested by the police of Jerusalem. He was taken captive by the guard of the high priest and by Pilate himself, Jews and Gentiles, religion and politics. They all came together to imprison the Christ, and they put him in jail where he was beaten, mocked, ridiculed, spit upon, scourged, and ultimately executed—legally! He was put to death legally, with the accusation put upon his cross: “The King of the Jews.”

So he was imprisoned, and he was wounded. He became imprisoned, a prisoner, to set us free. By being imprisoned, he liberated us from our imprisonment and set us free forever with the freedom of the children of God, the glorious freedom of the children of God, the freedom of the Holy Spirit, the freedom of God himself. But he could only free us by being imprisoned.

Being sick—he was worse than sick. He never was sick with a sickness or a disease. He could heal the diseases, but he was wounded for our transgression. His hands were pierced in nails. His head was crowned with thorns. His side was pierced with a spear. He was put to death. He experienced pain greater than all of the pain and suffering of all of humanity taken all together, because he who was suffering on the cross was the Son of God, so by his “sickness,” so to speak, his suffering, his pains, our pains were healed. Our ssuffering was assuaged. And by his death—he became the dead one, not only sick, but dead—so that by his death he could become our life.

This is how the Holy Fathers see this parable of the last judgment. The judgment really is: How do we relate to every single human being? Because for us, every single human being is Christ himself. Christ identified with everyone and everything, and he certainly identified, according to this parable, with the hungry, the thirsty, the homeless, the stranger, the naked, the sick, the imprisoned, and ultimately even the dead. And the judgment on humanity is how we related to that, whether or not we knew it, because in the parable, both the righteous and the unrighteous ask, “When did we see you? When did we do these things to you?” And the answer is: “When you did it to the least person, the least of my brethren”—because he became like his brethren in every respect except sin, it says in the letter to the Hebrews—“then you did it to me.”

At the end of our earthly life and at the end of the age, every single human being will stand before the judgment seat of Christ. As Chrysostom said, “No judge, no jury, no prosecuting attorney, no defense lawyer—just Christ and me.” Christ and us. And the question that will be asked: “Were you a lover? Did you love in concrete acts of righteousness?” And: “Were your acts of righteousness, your good deeds, filled with love? Were they done out of love? Because if they were done to the least, lowliest human being,” God almighty says to us in the Person of his Son, Jesus, “then they were done to me.”

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If you or your priest were not celebrated as saints of the church would that mean you aren't Orthodox?

Every Orthodox Christian is named in services during the Litanies. Living or dead. Other sources of saints names and stories are kept in the books that we read from such as the Synaxarion.

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Here is what we "need" for salvation.

More on salvation by faith in Christ alone, not works: (So many people truly need to know this)

"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:


That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
- John 3:14-18

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." - John 3:36

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." - John 5:24

"Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed."

"Then said they unto him, 'What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?'"

Jesus answered and said unto them, 'This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.'" - John 6:27-29

"For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."
- John 6:38-40

There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:1)

The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in His Son. (Romans 6:23)

Christ is the end of the Law for all who believe. (Romans 10:4)

We are saved by grace, through faith, not of works. (Ephesians 2:8)

We must not go about to establish our own righteousness. (Romans 10:1-4)

God is not willing that any should perish, but that all would come to repentance. - (2 Peter 3:9)

Repentance from "dead works" and faith toward God. - (Hebrews 6:1)

By the works of the Law no flesh will be justified, but only by faith in Christ. (Galatians 2:16)

Also read Romans 4, Romans 5, Galatians 5, Hebrews 4, Hebrews 11

Our salvation is entirely by faith in Christ and what He has done. (The Gospel) 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

One still needs to do ones part! Once saved always saved is false. Faith and works go hand in hand. As a follower of Christ, one must also do charitable works.

You can have true faith in Christ but fail when you cross the road so as not to pass by the beggar!
 
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One still needs to do ones part! Once saved always saved is false. Faith and works go hand in hand. As a follower of Christ, one must also do charitable works.

You can have true faith in Christ but fail when you cross the road so as not to pass by the beggar!

You keep trying to earn your way to Heaven by doing "your part."

As far as I'm concerned, I trust what the Bible says, Christ did it all. Now I can freely walk in the good works He prepared, as evidence of my faith.

I'm not about to add a single thing to His finished sacrifice.
 
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One still needs to do ones part! Once saved always saved is false. Faith and works go hand in hand. As a follower of Christ, one must also do charitable works.
One 'must' do charitable works, or one 'will' do charitable works?
 
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You keep trying to earn your way to Heaven by doing "your part."

As far as I'm concerned, I trust what the Bible says, Christ did it all. Now I can freely walk in the good works He prepared, as evidence of my faith.

I'm not about to add a single thing to His finished sacrifice.

Exactly! You want Jesus to take all his suffering on his own shoulders without you shedding one drop of sweat or blood yourself!
 
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From: How Are We Saved? - Theology - Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America

How Are We Saved?
Fr. Theodore Stylianopoulos
Twenty First Sunday
Epistle Reading: Galatians 2:16-20

Knowing that a man is not justified by works of the Law, but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ, and not by works of the Law, because by works of the Law shall no one be justified . . . For through the Law I have died to the Law, that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me; and the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me - Gal 2:16-17, 19-20.
A large segment of Protestant Christians in the United States are known as Evangelicals. Evangelicals take the Bible seriously. They center their lives on the evangelion (the gospel)--the good news of salvation. They often talk about personal salvation, about “how you get saved,” and the familiar answer is: Accept Christ as your personal Savior in sincere prayer, ask Him to come into your heart and forgive your sins, and you are saved. You are then put right before God and enjoy a personal relationship with Christ. This event is called “justification by faith” or more generally “salvation by faith,” apart from good works. This teaching is based on texts especially from the letters of St. Paul, such as the above (Gal 2:16-20). Many Evangelicals recall the exact date and time of being “born again” and celebrate it as the foremost event in their lives.

We do not judge the sincere convictions of other Christians, lest we be judged, according to the words of the Lord (Mat 7:1). Justification by faith is an authentic teaching of the New Testament. It is also a part of Orthodox teaching because whatever the New Testament teaches as essential, the Orthodox Church teaches as well. The Bible belongs to the Church. Equally, the acts of penitent prayer, asking God for forgiveness, and inviting Christ and the Holy Spirit to dwell in our hearts--these acts, too, are indispensable to Orthodox Christian life. But we must ask: is salvation a one-time event in life? What is the role of faith and works in the mystery of our salvation? What does Jesus say? What does St. Paul say? What do we teach about these issues as Orthodox Christians?

Let’s take a few examples from the life of Christ. We know that Jesus emphasized faith. To the woman with the issue of blood whom He healed, He said: “Your faith has made you well” (Mark 5:34). To the blind beggar He met on a street in Jericho and also healed, He said: “Your faith has made you well” (Mark 10:52). Jesus tied personal faith in Him to the efficacy of healings. But was faith the most critical factor behind these cures? Jesus perceived “power had gone forth from him” to heal the woman with the issue of blood (Mark 5:30). Sometimes Christ out of compassion healed people without asking for faith (Mark 1:34; 3:5). And so with all the acts of healing, it was above all Christ’s divine power that cured the sick, the lame, and the blind. The role of faith was significant but secondary to divine grace. God provided the grace, faith received the gift.

Jesus connected personal faith in Him to our eternal salvation. He declared: “Every one who acknowledges me before people, I also will acknowledge them before my Father in heaven; but whoever denies me before people, I also will deny them before my father in heaven” (Mat 10:32-33). The Gospel of John frequently connects faith in Christ to each person’s eternal destiny. We read: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). And again: “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die” (John 11:25-26). Christ further declared to Thomas: “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe” (John 20:29). Jesus himself is the supreme example of faith. In the garden of Gethsemane, as He confronted the prospect of death by crucifixion, Christ prayed to God: “Not my will, by Thy will be done” (Mat 26:39). Without doubt, faith had a primary place in the life and teaching of Jesus.

But Jesus also demanded good works to go along with faith. A man came up to Him with a question about eternal salvation. “Teacher,” he asked, “what good deed (ti agathon) must I do, to have eternal life?” Jesus did not send him away or correct him. He didn’t say: “You are asking the wrong question; you need only to believe in me and you will be saved.” Rather Jesus said to him: “Keep the commandments . . . You shall not kill; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness; honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself” (Mat 19:16-19). Rather than separate faith and works, Jesus closely united the two as being definitive to Christian life. That’s the undeniable implication of His great discourse we call “Sermon on the Mount.” The Sermon contains a vast amount of teachings and exhortations Christ expected His followers to learn and live by (Mat. chaps. 5-7). “Do not bear false witness . . . Love your enemies . . . Seek first God’s kingdom and His righteousness . . . Judge not, that you be not judged” (Mat 5:33, 44; 6:33; 7:1). Jesus set down these teachings as the necessary standards of moral righteousness. At the end of the Sermon on the Mount He denounced the kind of faith that is only lip service. He said those who relied only on faith risked the loss of eternal salvation. He warned: “On that day many will call out to me ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy and cast out demons in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers’” (Mat 7:21-23).

Let us also recall the parable about the Last Judgment (Mat 25:31-46). When Christ comes in His glory with all the angels, He will gather all the nations before Him for universal judgment. Everyone will be divided into two groups--the sheep on the right and the goats on the left--before Christ the King. The ones on the right will be blessed and given the inheritance of the eternal kingdom. The ones on the left will be cursed and sent off to eternal fire. What will make the difference? What will be the criterion of judgment? Works of mercy! Feeding the hungry, welcoming the stranger, clothing the naked, visiting the sick and the prisoner. Jesus declared: “Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me” (Mat 25:40).

On another occasion Jesus referred to faith as lifetime work. He urged a crowd not to “labor for the food that perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life.” They asked: “What must we do to be doing the works of God (Ti poiomen ina ergazometha to erga tou Theou)?” He replied: “This is the work of God (to ergon tou Theou): that you believe in Him whom God has sent” (John 6:27-29). The most pleasing work to God is the continuous exercise of faith in Christ as Savior and Lord throughout our lives. Christ promised us a continuous personal communion with Him, a continuous Easter experience, based on love, faith, and the keeping of His commandments. He said: “If you love me, you will keep my commandments . . . If a person loves me, He will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him” (John 14:15-17, 23). Our “new birth” is given to us in Baptism according to the words of the Lord: “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God” (John 3:5). And if we lose our way, heartfelt prayer, repentance, Holy Confession and Holy Communion provide personal occasions for spiritual renewal throughout our lives. How important for salvation the Eucharist is, we know from the words of Christ: “He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:54). In these many ways, according to Christ, Orthodox Christians throughout their lives receive salvation and renewal through faith, works, and the sacraments of the Church.

Then there is St. Paul. The apostle is known as the foremost advocate of justification by faith. In the above text of Gal 2:16-20, St. Paul seems to say something very different than His Master about faith and works. These words of Paul reflect his conversion by which he left behind the Law of Moses and joined Christ wholeheartedly. Previously the Mosaic Law was the center of his life, but after Damascus Christ became the core of his being. Christ dwelt in St. Paul: “It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me” (Gal 2:20). From this transformed perspective Paul contrasted and opposed faith and works. He did so categorically: “A person is not justified by works of the Law but through faith in Jesus Christ; even we have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ, and not by works of the Law, because by works of the Law shall no one be justified” (Gal 2:16). The key to this passage is to see that St. Paul is referring not to ethical works but to “works of the Law” (erga tou nomou), namely, the Mosaic Law.

What are the works of the Mosaic Law? Anyone who studies Galatians carefully will note the apostle is referring to the Jewish religious practices of circumcision, dietary laws, and festivals (Gal 2:2-5, 12; 4:9; 5:1-6, 12; 6:12-15). The same reference to “works of the Law” is also primary in the Letter to the Romans (Rom 3:19-20, 27-30). For Paul, such practices were no longer necessary for salvation. Christ had fulfilled their purpose and also terminated them at the same time (Rom 8:4; 10:4). For Paul, to adopt such religious practices as some Gentile Christians were doing, was nothing less that betrayal of the gospel (Gal 1:6-9). He declared: “I testify again to every man who receives circumcision that he is bound to keep the whole Law. You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the Law; you have fallen away from grace” (Gal 5:3-4). St. Paul is not opposing faith to ethical works but to the “works of the Law.”

But what does St. Paul say about ethical works? Do ethical works have a place in salvation? The answer is, most certainly, yes. In the same Letter to the Galatians, Paul uses a striking expression: “faith working through love” (Gal 5:6). Yes, faith is primary, but faith working through love--loving deeds. Good deeds are inseparable from and essential to the life of faith. Otherwise, according to Paul, those who commit sinful acts and do not repent of them--and he names them: fornication, idolatry, sorcery, selfishness, drunkenness, carousing, and the like--“will not inherit the kingdom of God” (Gal 5:21; see also 1 Cor 6:9-11). In other words, those who do such things, including Christians to whom he is writing, will suffer ultimate loss of salvation. Toward the end of Galatians Paul pens the following admonition as well: “Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for whatever a person sows, that he will also reap . . . Let us not grow weary in doing good (to agathon), for in due season we shall reap, if we do not lose heart . . . Let us do good to all, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith” (Gal 6:7, 9-10). We come to Christ as sinners and are justified by faith apart from good works. But once we connect with Christ and enjoy a saving relationship with Him, we ought to honor Him with good works because we love Christ and also because our final judgment will hinge in part on the criterion of good deeds. Paul states: “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive good or evil, according to what he has done in the body” (2 Cor 5:10).

According to St. Paul, not only loving deeds but also the sacraments of Baptism (Rom 6:1-11) and the Eucharist (1 Cor 10:16-22; 11:23-32) are decisive to salvation. Read carefully Paul’s Letter to the Romans, chapters 1-6. Note how often in chapters 1-5 he speaks of faith, the importance of faith, and the blessings that come from faith. But when do all these blessings take place? What is the event at which salvation truly takes hold? Baptism! That’s the answer St. Paul gives in Romans, chapter 6. All of chapter 6 is about Baptism and life after Baptism. For Paul, it is in Baptism that the believer is united with Christ, dies to the power of sin, and receives new life in Christ (6:1-11). Baptized Christians ought to use their bodies no longer “as instruments of sin but as weapons of righteousness” (6:12-13). Life after Baptism, says Paul, includes the responsibility to live by the “standard of teaching” (typon didaches) which Christians have been taught (6:17). Otherwise, even for Christians, “the wages of sin is death” (6:23). Paul is clear-cut about the criterion of final judgment: “God will render to every person according to his works; to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, God will give eternal life; but for those who . . . obey wickedness, there will be wrath and fury” (Rom 2:6-8).

Let us sum up the main points. The work of salvation belongs entirely to God. It is God through Christ and the Holy Spirit, who has the divine power to rescue us from the forces of sickness, evil, sin, death, and the devil. It is God through Christ and the Holy Spirit who alone provides justification, forgiveness, and new life to sinners who come to Him with faith. And God provides salvation as a most amazing and unceasing gift to all sincere seekers.

From our side, the question is about receiving and using the gift of salvation. The gift is offered, but if we do not receive it, we don’t have it, and certainly cannot use it. God offers the gift. We can choose to accept it or reject it. As Orthodox Christians we do not believe in predestination. Jesus said: “Whoever wants to come after me, let him take up his cross and follow me” (Mark 8:34). The gift and the challenge to follow Jesus through a life of faith and works coincide.

The reception of the gift of salvation is not a one-time event but a life-time process. St. Paul employs the verb “to save” (sozesthai) in the past tense (“we have been saved,” Rom 8:24; Eph 2:5); in the present tense (“we are being saved,” 1 Cor 1:18; 15:2), and in the future tense (“we will be saved,” Rom 5:10). He can think even of justification as a future event and part of the final judgment (Rom 2:13, 16). For Paul, Christians are involved in a lifetime covenant with God in which we work, planting and watering, but it is “only God who gives the growth” (1 Cor 3:7). We are “co-workers with God” (synergoi Theou, 1 Cor 3:9; 1 Thess 3:2). (Not “co-workers under God” as some translations would have it). The mystery of salvation is a duet, not a solo. It is a life-time engagement with God. It has ups and downs, twists and turns, with opportunities to grow in the love of God, knowing that we can turn to Him again and again and receive forgiveness and a new birth. When we come to Christ as sinners, we have no works to offer to Him, but only faith and repentance. But once we come to Him and receive the gift of salvation, we enter into a sacred covenant to honor Him with good works. We read in Ephesians: “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God . . . [We are] created in Christ Jesus for good works” (Eph 2:8-10).

The teaching of the New Testament is that God’s grace, our free will, and our faith and good works, are intimately connected. The Holy Spirit energizes in us both faith and good works as we thirst for and seek God’s grace. Neither faith nor good works can be presented as merit before God, but only as return gifts in humility, love, and thanksgiving. Let us not forget as well the sober words of James: “Faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead . . . Faith is completed by works . . . A person is justified by works and not by faith alone” (James 2:17, 22, 24). By free will, faith, and earnest labors, we work together with the grace of God in the awesome gift and mystery of salvation. As St. Paul puts it: “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for God is at work in you, both to will and to work His good pleasure” (Phil 2:12-13). To God Almighty, together with the Son and the Holy Spirit, be praise and worship forever. Amen."

"Synergoi Theo"

Forgive me...
 
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When did i say anything about dining with Christ in his kingdom? And what do you mean ""by the Holy Spirit" ?
By the power of the Holy Spirit we are made one with God as we eat and drink the food He has given us to eat and drink unto Eternal Life, which is the Kingdom of Heaven. This is what happens in the Orthodox Liturgy. You indicated that you would never experience Orthodox Liturgy when you said this:

"I am glad i have had the opportunity to reveal that i will never worship in an Orthodox Church.. ever..
It is a joy to be seperate from what one believes is false..."


To me this means that you have yourself stated that you will never, ever.. experience the True Joy of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Regardless, whatever your feelings towards the Church and correlating thoughts, I humbly submit that it is not healthy for you to slander things that you do not understand, which is what you are doing when you call the True Faith "false" (Jude 1:10). How is it that you dare to call an experience that you have never had "false"?
 
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Exactly! You want Jesus to take all his suffering on his own shoulders without you shedding one drop of sweat or blood yourself!

He did take all the suffering on His shoulders! Have you read the Bible? Is Christ's sacrifice really not enough for you? You honestly think you can add to it to make it better or more complete?

Quite frankly you diminish His precious sacrifice by suggesting it is not enough.

I hope I never believe that I can add anything worthwhile of my own to that one time, unfathomably precious and undeserved gift.
 
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I think we all know many try to interpret the scriptures so as to not have a faith that works so that they are absolved of any reason to do anything. They even go so far as to ignore certain parts of scripture and will call those that have a faith that works as only being works focused.
 
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He did take all the suffering on His shoulders! Have you read the Bible? Is Christ's sacrifice really not enough for you? You honestly think you can add to it to make it better or more complete?

Quite frankly you diminish His precious sacrifice by suggesting it is not enough.

I hope I never believe that I can add anything worthwhile of my own to that one time, unfathomably precious and undeserved gift.

I bet you have good works.

Forgive me...
 
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I think we all know many try to interpret the scriptures so as to not have a faith that works so that they are absolved of any reason to do anything. They even go so far as to ignore certain parts of scripture and will call those that have a faith that works as only being works focused.

Yep, you got me! That's exactly what I said. You're right, I'm just looking for an excuse to revel in my sin and refuse to help anyone!

God bless you too! :wave:
 
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