Drinking...

[unkalled4]

Ok here is the deal.. I am not a heavy drinker, i like to drink once in a while, and when i do it, I dont go overboard... I drink one or two bottles.. I am not the type of person that drinks because everyone else is doing it.. for example, I personally do not like beer, so when people are drinking it around me, i do not drink.. However, i do like drinks such as Smirnof Ice and the like.. and like i said before, if i do decide to have a drink i only have one or two which doesnt even affect me.. I just honestly like the taste of it... What i want to know is, am I sinning? I have grown up in the Christian faith since i was 2.. my parents have never been drinkers, and neither have I.. I know the Bible pretty well, but i must admit i am not the best Christian role model.. I honestly do not feel any conviction after taking a drink... and usually when i do something wrong, i feel something telling me "no"..

anyways, sorry for the long problem, I'm just trying to be specific with my situation.. if it is possible, please back yourself with the Bible.. if not, just give me some advice as one believer to another... I really don't want to do something that will sadden God..

Thanks in Advance.

 

[madison1101]

I believe scriptures are clear that drunkenness is a sin, not drinking. Anything done to excess is a sin, like gluttony, or drinking. Paul says, "All things in moderation." Or something like that. As long as you are not getting drunk, I see no sin in your occassional drinks.

 

[WilliamWallace]

You probably wont feel conviction for drinking one or two unless it is causing someone else to stumble.

As the previous poster said, there is nothing forbidding drinking (unless you take a vow of some sort), but in excess or being drunk.

I also think anyone who ever exhibits any problem with drinking ever in their life should abstain altogether, just to be safe.

Ok here is the deal.. I am not a heavy drinker, i like to drink once in a while, and when i do it, I dont go overboard... I drink one or two bottles.. I am not the type of person that drinks because everyone else is doing it.. for example, I personally do not like beer, so when people are drinking it around me, i do not drink.. However, i do like drinks such as Smirnof Ice and the like.. and like i said before, if i do decide to have a drink i only have one or two which doesnt even affect me.. I just honestly like the taste of it... What i want to know is, am I sinning? I have grown up in the Christian faith since i was 2.. my parents have never been drinkers, and neither have I.. I know the Bible pretty well, but i must admit i am not the best Christian role model.. I honestly do not feel any conviction after taking a drink... and usually when i do something wrong, i feel something telling me "no"..

anyways, sorry for the long problem, I'm just trying to be specific with my situation.. if it is possible, please back yourself with the Bible.. if not, just give me some advice as one believer to another... I really don't want to do something that will sadden God..

Thanks in Advance.

 

[Evee]

I don't think a couple of drinks is a sin.
I believe drinking in excess is.

 

[NJA]

A true christian is a king (1 Cor. 4v8, Rev. 1v6) who is in the True Vine, drinks "new wine" and has a new heart. Alcohol is corrupted (and slightly poisonous) grape juice which intoxicates (blurrs judgement).

Proverbs 31:4: It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:
:5: Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.

People wrongly *assume* that the word transalted "wine" in the NT must only mean the alcoholic stuff people drink today.

 

[Radagast]

It's not a sin to drink (even Jesus drank wine, at Cana).

It is a sin to get drunk.

It is also a sin to injure other because alcohol has blurred your judgement (so I think Proverbs 31 extends to e.g. drinking and driving).

(And yes, wine in the NT is the same as wine today, because when you squash grapes, they start to ferment, and wine is what you get. There is no doubt as to the meaning of the Greek word).

Does that help?

-- Radagast

 

[NJA]

Radagast, if I am right (and I assure you I have researched the matter), then you are in fact teaching people to sin. If I and all the authorities I read are wrong then you can ignore what I say.
When you squash grapes you get grape juice - available in any supermarket today. There are numerous methods of preserving grapes or the juice.

Even without research, the Holy Spirit teaches me that *any* quantity of intoxicant is wrong.

 

[Radagast]

... you are in fact teaching people to sin...

I hope not.

When you squash grapes you get grape juice - available in any supermarket today. There are numerous methods of preserving grapes or the juice.

Indeed, but the yeast for fermentation is on the skin of the grapes, and without pasteurisation or refrigeration, fermentation begins immediately.

When Paul says: "Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses" (1 Tim 5:23), he uses the word "oinos", which means "wine". The Greeks used this word for centuries to mean "wine" (e.g. Plato), and still do.

Of course, drunkeness is indeed a sin.

-- Radagast

 

[NJA]

Even racoons and other animals know to store food underwater to preserve it, grapes can be washed and refridgeration is "as old as the hills".

The water in the Mediterranian region was, and still is of lower quality, fresh grape juice is pure and has vitimins to strengthen the body and fight off any disease.

Alcohol is a mild poison.

 

[Radagast]

Back to the OP, several of us (madison1101, NB, Evee, myself) believe that drinking alcohol is not a sin if you don't get drunk (based on Scripture that has been posted).

Some Christians (like NJA) believe that all alcohol is sinful.

I don't think extensive debate on the subject will be helpful in this forum, unless the OP wants it?

-- Radagast

 

[forgivenmuch]

its not a sin to drink, but to be drunk it is. jesus himself made wine, wine has more alcohol than a beer. the bible plainly states that jesus made wine for a wedding feast and the kings said you saved the best for last, they did not drink grape juice.

 

[SisterTanya]

Amen, NJA.

 

[Evee]

Radagast, if I am right (and I assure you I have researched the matter), then you are in fact teaching people to sin. If I and all the authorities I read are wrong then you can ignore what I say.
When you squash grapes you get grape juice - available in any supermarket today. There are numerous methods of preserving grapes or the juice.

Even without research, the Holy Spirit teaches me that *any* quantity of intoxicant is wrong.

You know what, I wish I could take my post back saying a couple drinks is not a sin.
I know for me it is wrong so I choose to not drink any.
I have come to the conclusion if I have to ask if it is wrong, then it is.

 

[++Forgiven_One++]

I myself...I will not speak for others...I myself, have chosen to abstain from ANY alcohol use...I've had to sit and watch as it slowly killed the Godlike nature of my marriage, this from both me and my wife...I never did anything in moderation, and if i still did drink, i certainly didn't stop at 1 or 2...Satan is a crafty fellow...he makes you believe that a little of this or a little of that won't distort your focus, even in the slightest...alcohol can soothe you...soothe you to the point that you become a little less resistant (i.e. scenarios where unintended sex may or may not occur)..or it can bring out the worst in you...once again, i'm not here to preach, we all fall short of the Glory and it's not always alcohol, i'm only speaking from my experience, so what i say may or may not apply to you...i decided for myself, that there is no such thing as moderation, my wife and i are living proof...i won't tell any man or woman, how to live their life, i've sat through enough alcohol abuse meetings and counselings to know that, no matter what the consequences or cost, a person has his/her own free will to do just that...i cannot feel the Love of God or hear the Word, when my senses have been distorted, even just a little bit, but that is me, and unfortunately, that is the way of my wife too...which i why I pray to God day and night to remove from our marriage and lives...I do not condone it, but i also do not chastise those who choose to do it, you're still my brother or sister in Christ, so I still Love You regardless, as the Lord does, I choose this path for myself...

good thread...God Bless You...

++Forgiven_One++

 

[Radagast]

I myself...I will not speak for others...I myself, have chosen to abstain from ANY alcohol use...

Thank you for sharing that.

Yes, even something that may be good in itself is totally bad for some people. Most of us have something that we really need to stay away from, lest we fall into sin.

-- Radagast

 

[forgivenmuch]

i am one that dont drink much, i may drink a few sips of wine every blue moon, however i dont look at alcohol as something that could bind me, because i am above it. when you get into drinking for the wrong reasons, then you need to stay away from it.

 

[Mebby01]

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[Mebby01]

its not a sin to drink its perfectly normal to drink its not like your getting drunk. Then that would be bad getting drunk is a sin l know l'm not the perfect role model either. I have done a lot of bad stuff its perfectly normal to drink don't worry about it.
God Bless you
Mebby

 

[HomeBound]

I believe if you feel something is wrong, you should abstain from it. The spirit convicts us of what may be dishonor to God. Each person has to work out their own salvation. You know in your heart when you're doing something wrong. You can go crazy trying to please others, when all that matters is that you please God.

But then again, I believe that once you become drunk, you open yourself to posession from other spirits.

 

[Evee]

Actally it would be a sin for me to drink but maybe not for someone else.