Dr. Dino's Science?

[Arikay]

Well, at least someone appreciates my humor



He taught high school science in christian schools

very interesting, I didnt know that.

Today at 06:12 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #99



Well, at least someone appreciates my humor

He taught high school science in christian schools. He is very anti government. To him public schools are a product of the so called "new" world order that has been around a few hundred years.

He is one of those conspiracy theory guys. I think they are taking a chance on getting themselves thrown right into the tribulation period, because that is the only place that their conspiracy theorys stand a chance of coming true. I for one do not plan to be around as we will be "raptured" out of here.

I am sure he believes in the rapture, but his teaching does not tend to reflect that belief.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Today at 09:19 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #100

How about this Dr Dino claim:

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So? Hovind believes that the Bible must be taken literally as part of his theology. Obviously, he's going to claim that anything to the contrary is false.

As far as ideologies go, people do things based on anything (although I question how much evolution really contributed to communism, Nazism, etc).

 

[chickenman]

hovind is an idiot

THE END

 

[Francie]

Nathan no where have I said Hovind's veiws were absolute truth, I said they closely match what the bible says . Have you ever read the Bible?God is the only expert I consult!We will never agree on everything&nbsp;because&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;we are not perfect,We in our human forms cannot understand everything that God does or says.WE are to read His words and rely on them as He directs our paths.I f I have come across as rude or conceited&nbsp; I am sorry for that !I Love God with all my heart and don't take&nbsp; it kindly when His words are being attacked!we all have our different opinons , I respect you for that, please respect me for mine!God Bless You! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;

 

[Doubting Thomas]

The point, Francie, is that Christians from all walks of life and in various periods of history have reached different conclusions as to how the opening chapters of Genesis are to be interpreted. Hovind comes from a school of thought that insists that these writings are to be understood more or less literally, as actual history. Many, many Christians (who love God/Jesus just as much as you and Hovind do) have not reached that conclusion. They may interpret those passages as primarily theological texts that tell us "what" God did, but not "how" God did it. It isn't immediately clear to me or to many other people that there is something inherently heretical about seeing early Genesis in such a light and allowing for the likelihood (based on overwhelming physical evidence) that the "how," the mechanism by which God accomplished creation, is by way of evolution.

Again, the best way to judge the veracity of Hovind's claims is to actually put them to the test. Which of his arguments do you find most persuasive? We can go from there.

 

[Francie]

I have never doubhted GOd's creation Tell me where I said THat!

 

[Doubting Thomas]

Francie: "I have never doubted God's creation. Tell me where I said that!"

Who was that addressed to??

Why can't we get this thread back on track? This is supposed to be about Hovind's scientific claims. Which of his arguments do you find compelling?

 

[Francie]

Harcoff called me a liar!

 

[edgeo]

Today at 08:41 AM Francie said this in Post #104
Nathan no where have I said Hovind's veiws were absolute truth, I said they closely match what the bible says . ...

Uh oh!&nbsp; NOT a good sign!&nbsp;

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[Francie]

OK doubhting thomas THis is a quote from Hovind(there are some very important scriptures which are left out in formulas for explaining the age of the earth. Both old earth and Young Earth scientific models are flawed in this respect. They leave out the invisible,Hugh Ross's univers. an old earth advocate is solely goverened&nbsp; by physical laws. But the Bible has both physical and invisible laws and governing principalities It is&nbsp;&nbsp;not even&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;matter of natural vs. supernatural, as even the natural&nbsp; world and universe is governed by the invisible. here are the scriptures that need to be addressed:ROM 1:20, COL 1:16 HEWbrews 11:3)

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Today at 01:06 PM Francie said this in Post #108

Harcoff called me a liar!

Huh? When did I do that?

 

[lucaspa]

Today at 01:04 PM Doubting Thomas said this in Post #107

Why can't we get this thread back on track? This is supposed to be about Hovind's scientific claims. Which of his arguments do you find compelling?

The thread is on track.&nbsp; It is clear that Hovind's followers believe him not because of the science, but because Hovind provides them "scientific" evidence in favor of theism against what they consider atheistic science.&nbsp; This is about the existence of God, not about correct science.&nbsp; You can&nbsp;show Hovind's "science" to be wrong all you want.&nbsp; It doesn't matter, because that won't address the fears of Francie and the others. They are afraid that science denies the existence of God.

You have to address that fear first before they can discuss the science.&nbsp; Keep pushing the science first and they will just think ou are trying to convert them to atheism.

 

[Arikay]

Dr dino doesnt seem to interepret the bible too well.
He seems to have a high "woops" factor in his writting.

I agree, with what other people have said around here, that Putting faith into your personal interpretation of the bible, is putting faith into your own words, not gods. And it is removing faith from gods own creation (the earth).

Doubting:
I doubt (heh ) That you will find many creationists actually willing to debate some of Hovinds works.

 

[Francie]

Harcoff you said I doubghted Gods creation. that is calling me a liar!

 

[Francie]

I am not afraid of anyone proving,&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; God does not exist&nbsp;my faith in GOD wont't be shaken by non christians!Greater is HE that is in me than that that is in the world!

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 01:23 PM Arikay said this in Post #113

Dr dino doesnt seem to interepret the bible too well.&nbsp;

Does that mean you would not consider putting your kids into his science class?

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 01:22 PM lucaspa said this in Post #112&nbsp;

Your starting to worry me, some of the things your saying is starting to make sense.

 

[Francie]

dobhting thomas please reply to post#110

 

[Francie]

I don;t think DR Hovinds views are the Obove all, Be all I just agree with some of his views!!I accept the word of God as the obove all truth!

 

[lucaspa]

Yesterday at 07:18 PM Francie said this in Post #73

NO where ever have I said Hovind is GOD. THereis only one GOD HIS name IS JESUS CHRIST

Francie, this is what you wrote:&nbsp; Yesterday at 02:35 PM Francie said this in Post target=_blank>#4

I&nbsp; as a Christian agree totally&nbsp;with Dr Hovind and do not see how any other christian could disagree with his views as they line up with the bible!I highly reccomend&nbsp; drdino .com . I think if you are not a christian ,you would have trouble with his views as you have trouble with GOD's views!

You equated Hovind with God when you said "his views as you would have trouble with God's views"

I know that isn't what you think you said, but it is what you said.

Francie, Peter and I are showing you the bad faith corner creationism is putting you into.&nbsp; You believe yourself a good Christian and you have tremendous faith in God and Jesus.&nbsp; What we are trying to show you is that creationism will eventually end up with you betraying both God and Jesus.&nbsp; You have started by saying the Hovind is God.&nbsp; You have also gone to saying that Christians who don't agree with Hovind can't be Christians!&nbsp; Do you hear what you are saying?

Now, there is a simple way out of the corner.&nbsp; You start by separating the who and the whyin the creation stories from the how.&nbsp; The creation stories aren't meant to tell you how God created, but to tell you about God and how God relates and feels about humans.

When you stop reading Genesis 1-3 as what it is not -- history -- you start seeing some much more important messages for you as a Christian.&nbsp;

First, Genesis 1 is a magnificent essay for monotheism.&nbsp; Even agnostics and atheists can appreciate it as such.&nbsp; What is it telling you? It's telling you (and its original audience) that the polytheisms of the Mediterranean world are wrong.&nbsp;&nbsp; Those gods don't exist.&nbsp; How does it do that? Remember that those gods are all tied to some natural object -- the sun, moon, planet, plants, the earth itself, etc.&nbsp; Genesis 1 says all these objects are created objects by God.&nbsp; Therefore they can't be gods.&nbsp; Apollo can't exist because he is the sun god. But the sun is not a supernatural object; it is a created object.&nbsp; Created by God.&nbsp; Genesis 1 also tells you why God created humans:&nbsp; for their own sakes.&nbsp; The Babylonians taught that humans were created by the gods as servants and sources of entertainment:&nbsp; watch the stupid humans fumble around and be funny by messing up their lives.&nbsp; But Genesis 1 says God created humans for their own sakes, and then decided not to boss them around but gave them dominion over the earth.&nbsp; And then God said it was "very good" that He did things this way.

Evolution doesn't affect these messages at all.&nbsp; And by not trying to get a how of creation out of Genesis, you can listen to God tell you how He created by looking at what God put in His Creation.