Dr. Dino's Science?

[Arikay]

A philisophical discussion of the word "proof" a bit of a dodge.

Ok, not proven, shown.

A quick google search will show his false evidence. A quick google search will show that barcodes (yes my favorite hovind claim) dont all contain 666 in them.

Today at 01:36 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #20 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=708843#post708843)



Nothing has been proven. Maybe for you there is no doubt, so maybe it has been "proven" to you. But Dr. Dino does not seem to be convinced.

First of all, prove to me that you exist, then prove to me that the Earth exists, then you can attempt to prove it's millions or billions of years old.

Sense you can not prove to me that you exist, or that the earth even exists at all. Then you can not prove that it's billions of years old. Your so called proof requires people to assume things to be true, that may or may not be true.  

 

[Arikay]

Speaking of one of my favorite Dr Dino claims, in his FAQ he claims that BarCodes are the mark of the beast, since they contain 666 in them (they really dont, these are just begining, middle, and end bars that contain no data at all). When I first heard about this awhile ago I went out and did a google search and found a barcode maker.

So for your enjoyment, here is the real barcode Mark of the Beast. 13 characters long with 666 in the center.

 

[Francie]

AS a christian I don't doubt God's word ! IF you are a christian you also would read HIS word  as He tells us that the     words in the BIble are true ! IN the Bible He tells us how things are . All you people who are criticzing Christians for stand for standing up for what they beleive in out to look in the mirror!LOok at how non christians attack people  of faith we are called  pathetic and idiots! WEll let me tell you something , I will be  a pathetic idiot for CHRIST any day as we see on the judgement day who is right!AS christians  are supposed to tell others about him and HIS love and forgiveness  and mercy!I was not calling any body a name I just said you sounded like a non christian! Because a christian would not dispute the word of GOD!  BLESS all because HE loves you!

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Today at 09:11 AM Francie said this in Post #23

AS a christian I don't doubt God's word !

Yet you doubt His Creation. Interesting...

 

[Jon]

Arikay:
I was wonder for about his science, not so much about things like bar codes.
Dr. Dino says that the earth is about 6000 years old, if you dissagree with him then why?;
(a) Because its a flaw
(b) Because I belive in a different theory

 

[Doubting Thomas]

Because it's demonstratably untrue. Hovind's claims have been rebutted here and elsewhere so thoroughly and so many times, it's not even funny anymore.

As I mentioned to Francie, it would be best to pick a few of his arguments that you find most compelling. Then we will have something specific to discuss. Take your pick: moon dust, receding moon, radiometric dating, atmospheric helium, etc. Just give us something concrete. I doubt many people here, especially those who have dealt with Hovind's stuff ad nauseum, are interested in spending the time (again) going through his entire laundry list of misrepresentations and errors. Take what you consider to be his best stuff, and see where the evidence leads.


Or run a search on past threads here at CF, where these issues have been thoroughly hashed out. Hovind isn't exactly news.

 

[wblastyn]

Because a christian would not dispute the word of GOD!

No, but we would dispute your interpretation of it because it does not fit with what is seen in creation.

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 10:55 AM Doubting Thomas said this in Post #26 Hovind's claims have been rebutted here and elsewhere so thoroughly and so many times, it's not even funny anymore.

 

What his claims about salvation or his claims about science? People may not know much about science, but they know their Bible. They believe what Hovind says about the Bible is true, at least from a southern Baptist perspective. So why would they question what he says about science being true?  

He was a science teacher in a Christian School for 15 years, and he still teaches on a high school level. He makes it interesting and really his objective is not to teach science. His real objective is to teach the Bible. Science is just something he uses to do that.

In our teachers training at the Bible collage. It is perfectly acceptable to use science to get people's attention to teach Bible truths to people. There are lots of ways to grab people's interest when you use science. You can really razzel dazzel them.  

 

[wblastyn]

What his claims about salvation or his claims about science? People may not know much about science, but they know their Bible. They believe what Hovind says about the Bible is true, at least from a southern Baptist perspective. So why would they question what he says about science being true?

Lying to prove scripture is wrong, when they find out he has been lying all this time they'll assume he's been lying about the salvation thing as well.

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 09:14 AM Pete Harcoff said this in Post #24

Yet you doubt His Creation. Interesting...

We doubt that God created demon cats. We think that is the work of the devil.

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 11:46 AM wblastyn said this in Post #29 Lying to prove scripture is wrong, when they find out he has been lying all this time they'll assume he's been lying about the salvation thing as well.

Oh, now that is interesting. You believe he is a liar. We know that all liars are going to be thrown into the lake of fire. So now basicly what your saying is that he is not a christian and that he is not a saved person. Doen't that just rock his southern baptist beliefs.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

John, what would you call a person who has been publicly corrected many, many times (by other Christians, no less) yet does not recant his errors, in fact continues to spread them as often as possible? Would that person not be a liar?

Just to lay my cards on the table, I wouldn't hesitate to accuse him to his face of lying, if I ever met him. I would also do the same if he ever showed up here at CF. Hovind knows he has been bested, but he won't admit it. The man likes a rigged game. He'll tirelessly criss-cross the country to engage in his dog and pony shows -- er, "debates" -- but lacks the cajones to engage in the one kind of debate that would actually mean something: a written one, where the persons engaged would have time to track down references and check out claims. He won't go there and for good reason. His credibility would be in the toilet faster than you can say "lying for Jesus."

 

[blader]

Today at 04:51 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #31



Oh, now that is interesting. You believe he is a liar. We know that all liars are going to be thrown into the lake of fire. So now basicly what your saying is that he is not a christian and that he is not a saved person. Doen't that just rock his southern baptist beliefs.

Christians can lie like any other human. That doesn't make them not Christian.

 

[wblastyn]

Oh, now that is interesting. You believe he is a liar. We know that all liars are going to be thrown into the lake of fire. So now basicly what your saying is that he is not a christian and that he is not a saved person. Doen't that just rock his southern baptist beliefs.

I don't just "believe" he is a liar, he actually is one, he presents all this "evidence" that AiG don't even take seriously and has been refuted countless times still he still promotes them as "evidence against evolution". Then there's his "prove evolution and get rich" thing that is impossible to meet the conditions of (assuming evolution is actually true) and I bet he knows it.

 

[Arikay]

Because:
A) His ideas are flawed
b) His ideas have been falsified.
C) Even other creationist groups like the AIG dont believe many of his claims.
D) As I wrote in another thread, he ends up confusing himself enough to actually admit evolution is true, in his own FAQ.

E) I bring up the Barcodes because it shows how little he really researchs things. An example: If I were to walk around, call myself a preist and then tell people that Jesus was a women who was born in america. Would you trust anything else I said about the bible? Since I obviously did no research about jesus.

Is that enough.

Today at 07:43 AM Jon said this in Post #25

Arikay:
I was wonder for about his science, not so much about things like bar codes.
Dr. Dino says that the earth is about 6000 years old, if you dissagree with him then why?;
(a) Because its a flaw
(b) Because I belive in a different theory

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 12:14 PM Doubting Thomas said this in Post #32 John, what would you call a person who has been publicly corrected many, many times (by other Christians, no less) yet does not recant his errors, in fact continues to spread them as often as possible? Would that person not be a liar? 

Just because someone has different opinions than you does not make him a liar. We have a two party political system in this country. They do not agree, does that make one or the other of them a liar? Or maybe you think both political partys are liars.

1 John 2:22a Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?

The Bible says a liar is someone who denys that Jesus is the Christ. I do not see Dr Dino denying that Jesus is the Christ.

 

[Arikay]

How about we just look at the dictionary:

"Liar: A person who knowingly utters falsehood."

Does Hovind know what he says is false. Yep, he has been told many times that what he says about evolution is false. So, Yes he knows.

Does he still say them? Yes.

Sounds like he fits the dictionary definition.

Today at 11:08 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #36



Just because someone has different opinions than you does not make him a liar. We have a two party political system in this country. They do not agree, does that make one or the other of them a liar? Or maybe you think both political partys are liars.

1 John 2:22a Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?

The Bible says a liar is someone who denys that Jesus is the Christ. I do not see Dr Dino denying that Jesus is the Christ.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

So, John, if a person knowingly utters a falsehood but believes in Christ, he's not a liar? ROFL! What an odd world you inhabit.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Today at 02:08 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #36

Just because someone has different opinions than you does not make him a liar. We have a two party political system in this country. They do not agree, does that make one or the other of them a liar? Or maybe you think both political partys are liars.

There's a difference between stating an opinion and stating a falsehood. Hovind does both so frequently it can be hard to seperate the two.

For example, Hovind has claimed that, based on the current rate at which the Earth's rotation is slowing down (which is thought to be too high, but that's besides the point), that the Earth would have been spinning so fast dinosaurs would have been flung into space when they walked the Earth. As was demonstrated in another thread, even based on the current rate of slowing of the Earth's rotation, this would not happen.

Another claim Hovind has made was that the remains of a mammoth was carbon dated multiple times, each with different results. Reference to the paper which Hovind cites reveals that the dates were in fact obtained by dating remains of different mammoths, not one mammoth.

Hovind's so-called "science" is littered with mistakes like this. At absolute best, maybe Hovind just made a whole bunch of honest mistakes. But if he had any integrity at all, he'd at least own up to them.

edited to fix spelling

 

[Jon]

Does Hovind know what he says is false. Yep, he has been told many times that what he says about evolution is false. So, Yes he knows.

If everyone in this world told you that you were wrong, but you didn't belive them and you kept on beliving that and telling others about what you belive, would that make you a lier???

You say that the Dr.Dino thing about the Bar Codes is wrong, well that great but what about his other science???(the bar codes has hardly anything to do with his fight agents evoultion or for creationism....as I said before it is just warning people that God can return any day.) I dissagree with Dr. Dino with some other things too(like health care) but that dosn't have anything to do with his science..