Doubting Believer

[revrobor]

When it comes to creation science does not trump Christianity. Nothing does not create something unless you have a creator that causes that. You might want to get a copy of the same book.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

And BTW, I'm not talking about religion but a relationship with Jesus Christ.

I want to maximize my chances of going to heaven.

There are thousands of gods, and Christianity alone has tens of thousands of denominations.

So what are the chances you chose correctly, maybe 1 in 100,000? Those are your chances of going to heaven. No other God is going to let you in, because if there's one thing that really makes gods angry,its worshiping another god.

I, on the other hand, have remained unaffiliated. No matter what God I face, I can talk to him, he isn't going to instantly hate me for worshiping another god.

So in reality, my chances of getting to heaven are far better than yours. You might want to think about what I've said, because honestly revrobor, I want you to get into heaven.

 

[SteveB28]

When it comes to creation science does not trump Christianity. Nothing does not create something unless you have a creator that causes that. You might want to get a copy of the same book.

You are still avoiding his question. Please cite even one example of the claims made by religion, any religion if you prefer, wherein those claims have proven a scientific finding to be false.

Just one.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

When it comes to creation science does not trump Christianity. Nothing does not create something unless you have a creator that causes that. You might want to get a copy of the same book.

Obviously creation scientists aren't going to be able to do anything. They've never done anything worthwhile. Heck people like "Dr." Kent Hovind don't even have real PhDs. Hovind bought his from a diploma mill.

I'm talking about the best of the best. Smart people, brilliant people, people who think like I do: Thomas Edison, Albert Einstein, the Curies, Stephen Hawking, Alan Turing, Lawrence Krauss, Richard Dawkins, and plenty more. These are people who get things done.

Go to ICR, and see who thinks like you do. Now look at who thinks like I do. Which group of scientists would you bet is right? Thomas Edison vs. Kent Hovind. Yeah, I'll go with Edison.

 

[dlamberth]

Nothing does not create something unless you have a creator that causes that.

It's the nature of that Creator that becomes an issue. It could be the ongoing and forever creating energy of life itself that is the Creator rather than a benevolent being directing the Creating.

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[revrobor]

I want to maximize my chances of going to heaven.

There are thousands of gods, and Christianity alone has tens of thousands of denominations.

So what are the chances you chose correctly, maybe 1 in 100,000? Those are your chances of going to heaven. No other God is going to let you in, because if there's one thing that really makes gods angry,its worshiping another god.

I, on the other hand, have remained unaffiliated. No matter what God I face, I can talk to him, he isn't going to instantly hate me for worshiping another god.

So in reality, my chances of getting to heaven are far better than yours. You might want to think about what I've said, because honestly revrobor, I want you to get into heaven.

Denominations were created by men not God. Most of what goes on in churches has no Scriptural support. That's why I said I'm not talking about religion. There is but one God, Creator of the universe, who is present in three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He sent His Son to suffer and die for you. He's the one you should follow. Don't bother picking a denomination just worship the Creator and praise Him for what He's done for you through His Son.

 

[revrobor]

You are still avoiding his question. Please cite even one example of the claims made by religion, any religion if you prefer, wherein those claims have proven a scientific finding to be false.

Just one.

Read the book and you'll see a whole fist-full of scientists who have said that SCIENCE has proven science wrong when it comes to the creation. Most of those who are in the Christian "Religion" accept the Bible's account of creation as fact. Scientists still don't agree with each other about what or who caused creation.

 

[revrobor]

It's the nature of that Creator that becomes an issue. It could be the ongoing and forever creating energy of life itself that is the Creator rather than a benevolent being directing the Creating.

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The "ongoing and forever creating energy" had to have a beginning. It did not just appear out of nothing. So who created it?

 

[SteveB28]

Read the book and you'll see a whole fist-full of scientists who have said that SCIENCE has proven science wrong when it comes to the creation. Most of those who are in the Christian "Religion" accept the Bible's account of creation as fact. Scientists still don't agree with each other about what or who caused creation.

Thank you. Your continued refusal to answer the question directly tells me all I need to know.

 

[dlamberth]

The "ongoing and forever creating energy" had to have a beginning. It did not just appear out of nothing. So who created it?

It Self.

Basically, your asking: Who created God?

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[revrobor]

It Self.

Basically, your asking: Who created God?

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No. I'm telling you that it all had to be created because nothing cannot create something out of nothing. Even your beloved scientists will tell you that. It just did not exist before it existed.

 

[revrobor]

Thank you. Your continued refusal to answer the question directly tells me all I need to know.

I answered the post. Re-read my post.

 

[dlamberth]

No. I'm telling you that it all had to be created because nothing cannot create something out of nothing.

Does that include God?

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[ThinkForYourself]

Denominations were created by men not God. Most of what goes on in churches has no Scriptural support. That's why I said I'm not talking about religion. There is but one God, Creator of the universe, who is present in three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He sent His Son to suffer and die for you. He's the one you should follow. Don't bother picking a denomination just worship the Creator and praise Him for what He's done for you through His Son.

You say you're not talking about religion, then you go on to say the Christian trinity is the one true way.

You are obviously talking about religion, and it's your favourite religion, Christianity.

You don't know what Jesus wants. Maybe only one denomination gets into heaven. Or do you claim to know what Jesus thinks?

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Read the book and you'll see a whole fist-full of scientists who have said that SCIENCE has proven science wrong when it comes to the creation.

Science is constantly proving science wrong in every area. That's what makes science so powerful, it's self-correcting.

Most of those who are in the Christian "Religion" accept the Bible's account of creation as fact. Scientists still don't agree with each other about what or who caused creation.

You are correct, currently science doesn't know how life was first created, although scientists are coming up with plausible hypothesis.

What difference does it make that many Christians believe the biblical account of creation?

I'm still waiting for one example of religion triumphing over science.

 

[revrobor]

The Bible has already answered the question of creation while science doesn't know their head from a hole in the ground when it comes to creation. So get the book and read it and you'll have the question answered for you.

 

[bhsmte]

The Bible has already answered the question of creation while science doesn't know their head from a hole in the ground when it comes to creation. So get the book and read it and you'll have the question answered for you.

That is, if someone is of the type, that can reconcile what the book claims, with reality.

As time goes on, fewer and fewer people can.

 

[selfinflikted]

The Bible has already answered the question of creation while science doesn't know their head from a hole in the ground when it comes to creation. So get the book and read it and you'll have the question answered for you.

No, it hasn't. It's only given you a likely untruth that you've accepted as truth because that is more comfortable than not knowing. The creation of man, according to the Bible, is wrong. Man evolved, he wasn't poofed from dust of the ground, and woman certainly wasn't made from the rib of the first man.

 

[revrobor]

Does that include God?

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To answer your rather silly question God is NOT nothing.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

The Bible has already answered the question of creation while science doesn't know their head from a hole in the ground when it comes to creation. So get the book and read it and you'll have the question answered for you.

OK, I took your advice, and accepted that science doesn't know their head from a hole in the ground. I went out into the forest of beautiful British Columbia, and discovered an ancient Haida Raven totem under a might Douglas Fir.

After a couple of hours of meditation, a Raven came to me. Now, a Raven is the most lecherous, the most gluttonous, the most magical creature in the forest, so I was careful when he first came. But after we sat and talked for a while, I became comfortable with him, although I would never take my eyes off of him. I explained that I was seeking the truth of creation, and he agreed to tell me how the earth, life, and mankind were created.

Here is Raven's story:

Raven was bored of the world being nothing but water and decided to fly as the waters receded. Once Raven became hungry, land was formed so he could land and find food. It was at this point he noticed strange sounds coming from a gigantic clam shell.

Confused as to the sound, Raven decided he would begin singing to the clam shell in response to its sound, hoping to calm it with his pleasant sounds. Raven did this because he was a beautiful singer. Finally, a small creature emerged from the clam shell. It had long black hair, a round head, brown smooth skin and two legs like Raven but no feathers. This was the first of the First People.

(From the Haida First Nations people of British Columbia. text from wikipedia)


So now I know how the earth and mankind were created, by Raven. In fact, we are created in the image of Raven. Next time Raven promised to tell me how he brought Salmon to the people.