Doubting Believer

[revrobor]

I've been Pentecostal for awhile. My husband believes in God, but not the Bible. I'm starting to wonder about what the Bible says. I don't understand how my husband and his friend believe in Jesus, but they don't believe in other parts of the Bible Mat 19:4-6 (marriage man and woman) , Deu 22:5 (A woman shouldn't wear a mans clothing and vice versa. How can they believe they don't have to listen to all these other verses in the Bible, but still believe in Jesus? They think the bible doesn't apply to this time, is written by others and outdated. I tried searching and showing how some of the dead sea scrolls match up with some of the Bible.

Looking for more support that everything in the Bible applies to us today and is the actual word of God.

No not everything in the Bible applies to today. There are hundreds of Old Testament (Old Covenant) laws that don't apply to Believers today. Knowing the Bible is not a requirement for salvation. It is helpful in guiding us in our walk with the Lord but it's also possible for one to communicate directly with God. If your church is one that worships the Bible then I would suggest you find another church.

 

[RichGSr]

No not everything in the Bible applies to today. There are hundreds of Old Testament (Old Covenant) laws that don't apply to Believers today. Knowing the Bible is not a requirement for salvation. It is helpful in guiding us in our walk with the Lord but it's also possible for one to communicate directly with God. If your church is one that worships the Bible then I would suggest you find another church.

AMEN!

 

[soccersw2]

No not everything in the Bible applies to today. There are hundreds of Old Testament (Old Covenant) laws that don't apply to Believers today. Knowing the Bible is not a requirement for salvation. It is helpful in guiding us in our walk with the Lord but it's also possible for one to communicate directly with God. If your church is one that worships the Bible then I would suggest you find another church.

So do you believe that all these Old Testament laws don't apply today? For instance, the negative views on homosexuality and even the 10 commandments for that matter. If some (if any) of the laws still apply, how do you know which ones a still valid today?

 

[revrobor]

So do you believe that all these Old Testament laws don't apply today? For instance, the negative views on homosexuality and even the 10 commandments for that matter. If some (if any) of the laws still apply, how do you know which ones a still valid today?

You have apparently not studies the verses on "homosexuality". There are four verses in the New Testament (1Cor 6:9-10, Rom 1@6-27, Rev 21:8 1Cor 12:13) that address homosexual SEX. There are no verses that address same sex feelings.

 

[soccersw2]

You have apparently not studies the verses on "homosexuality". There are four verses in the New Testament (1Cor 6:9-10, Rom 1@6-27, Rev 21:8 1Cor 12:13) that address homosexual SEX. There are no verses that address same sex feelings.

Thanks for citing those. Not to get too off topic, but if you accept these verses then should we also accept other verses in the new testament stating men are still superior to woman? (1Corinthians 11:2-10, Ephesians 5:21-24, 1Corinthians 14:34-35, 1Timothy 2:11-15, etc.) There are other subjects as well that are questionable.

Concerning getting rid of Old Testament laws, God still seems to be okay with the laws and actions, which also seems odd to me. (Matthew 5:17) Did and does he still approve of these laws and actions?

 

[revrobor]

Thanks for citing those. Not to get too off topic, but if you accept these verses then should we also accept other verses in the new testament stating men are still superior to woman? (1Corinthians 11:2-10, Ephesians 5:21-24, 1Corinthians 14:34-35, 1Timothy 2:11-15, etc.) There are other subjects as well that are questionable.

Concerning getting rid of Old Testament laws, God still seems to be okay with the laws and actions, which also seems odd to me. (Matthew 5:17) Did and does he still approve of these laws and actions?

The verses you mention have nothing to do with men being superior to women. They are statements of positions in households. The man is to be the general manager of the family and in most everything else in life. As for Matt 5:17 Jesus was speaking against the abuses of the laws by the religious leaders which were given in the first place to cause people to love God but had been made into a confusing bunch of rules.

 

[ethicsguy]

The verses you mention have nothing to do with men being superior to women. They are statements of positions in households. The man is to be the general manager of the family and in most everything else in life. As for Matt 5:17 Jesus was speaking against the abuses of the laws by the religious leaders which were given in the first place to cause people to love God but had been made into a confusing bunch of rules.

But these statements that you say "the man is to be the general manager of the family" . . . is, by nature, saying exactly that, that men are superior. As a man I am offended that you do not understand that that is what is really being stated. If men weren't considered superior here there would be no need to define that men are in charge. Twisting something does not change reality.

 

[RichGSr]

I should have my new P C loaded up with my Scripture soon, then I will renew my attempts at helping with scriptural thoughts. (I had some strokes and have a dificult time)

 

[ThinkForYourself]

hi! ..not if they know the old testament laws were for tiny Israel for a place a little prepared for the birth of Messiah.. and of course, slavery as institution was a form of loans and debt to pay that loan, and all forgiven every 7 years.. and of course stoning was a community event not individual

Jesus himself says all OT laws are still in effect. Matthews 5:18

So did Jesus lie?


Matthews 19:21 "Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."

If Christians really believed, they would trust Jesus, sell their possessions and give to the poor. But they don't. Why?

Jesus said love thy neighbour, and turn the other cheek. But go to the News Headlines or Politics section, and read the threads about Indiana's new laws allowing stores to discriminate against gays. Nearly every defender of this new law is Christian.

Sorry, but it is demonstrable that Christians follow the bible when they agree, ignore it when they don't.

 

[RichGSr]

Jesus said something about one jot or tittle not passing away till all be fulfilled.

Did I confuse that with a generation not passing away..Hmmm I think not.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Jesus said something about one jot or tittle not passing away till all be fulfilled.

Did I confuse that with a generation not passing away..Hmmm I think not.

"Until heaven and earth disappear..."

Are you really going to claim that the earth no longer exists?

 

[ThinkForYourself]

I should have my new P C loaded up with my Scripture soon, then I will renew my attempts at helping with scriptural thoughts. (I had some strokes and have a dificult time)

Rich, here is one thing I've never understood, and one of the reasons I left Christianity and became an atheist:

Christians have a close personal relationship with Jesus, yet Christians have different opinions on all sorts of issues. There are literally tens of thousands of denominations.

But what about the important moral issues, such as abortion, homosexuality, and getting into heaven. Some Christians are for and some Christians are against, some Christians think it's belief, and some Christians think it's works, yet they are all getting their morals and instructions from the same close personal friend: Jesus. How can Jesus think abortion is both moral and immoral? Is he lying to some to some Christians?

 

[selfinflikted]

Rich, here is one thing I've never understood, and one of the reasons I left Christianity and became an atheist:

Christians have a close personal relationship with Jesus, yet Christians have different opinions on all sorts of issues. There are literally tens of thousands of denominations.

But what about the important moral issues, such as abortion, homosexuality, and getting into heaven. Some Christians are for and some Christians are against, some Christians think it's belief, and some Christians think it's works, yet they are all getting their morals and instructions from the same close personal friend: Jesus. How can Jesus think abortion is both moral and immoral? Is he lying to some to some Christians?

Notice how "god" always agrees with the person to whom he's "speaking." There's your answer.

 

[revrobor]

But these statements that you say "the man is to be the general manager of the family" . . . is, by nature, saying exactly that, that men are superior. As a man I am offended that you do not understand that that is what is really being stated. If men weren't considered superior here there would be no need to define that men are in charge. Twisting something does not change reality.

I don't know why you are having a problem with your ego but God has never said man is superior to woman. He simply gave us all different positions and responsibilities.

 

[selfinflikted]

I don't know why you are having a problem with your ego but God has never said man is superior to woman. He simply gave us all different positions and responsibilities.

If the man is the "head" of nearly everything, then superiority is the implication. In fact, woman's inferiority is implied throughout the whole bible.

 

[TillICollapse]

Rich, here is one thing I've never understood, and one of the reasons I left Christianity and became an atheist:

Christians have a close personal relationship with Jesus, yet Christians have different opinions on all sorts of issues. There are literally tens of thousands of denominations.

But what about the important moral issues, such as abortion, homosexuality, and getting into heaven. Some Christians are for and some Christians are against, some Christians think it's belief, and some Christians think it's works, yet they are all getting their morals and instructions from the same close personal friend: Jesus. How can Jesus think abortion is both moral and immoral? Is he lying to some to some Christians?

I've never understood how many believers can be *content* with these types of contradictions and confusion.

 

[revrobor]

If the man is the "head" of nearly everything, then superiority is the implication. In fact, woman's inferiority is implied throughout the whole bible.

That's just not correct. And I certainly wouldn't tell that to any woman in which you might be interested.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

If the man is the "head" of nearly everything, then superiority is the implication. In fact, woman's inferiority is implied throughout the whole bible.

From my knowledge of the bible men have received most of God's anger. In fact punishment of women is rare. They seem to be a protected class.

Men are better suited for protective leadership than women, but we are in a time of thriving, not surviving, so our vision is a bit skewed.

 

[TillICollapse]

Men are superior when it comes to survival. We are in a time of thriving, not surviving, so our vision is a bit skewed.

Really ? Survival ?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I've never understood how many believers can be *content* with these types of contradictions and confusion.

Perhaps they are tares.