Don't tell ME it isn't a deviancy! . . . Catholics only, please.

[Protinus]

Because the Scriptures say it would not be and because the Church has affirmed it, therefore because we are told that Peter has the Keys we listen to the Church on these matters .... especially when it comes to Doctrine!

RRRRRR I hate it when the reply button does not work

that said, how many said families do you know and have the children languished or thrived?

 

[WarriorAngel]

It comes with the territory of actually listening to Church teaching. Don't worry about it. Id rather be following Rome than clamoring for tolerance while at the same time not tolerating opposing viewpoints.

Between Irenaeus and yourself...I could just sit here and quote and smile.

Teshi, it is true, where I live.

I went into the whole foster thing...was almost ready to foster kids, but at the last moment, we didnt.

We are going to wait....

Trust me....you dont know about my state.
For me to even teach at CCD, or to even substitute, or even to cook at school as a volunteer...I need clearances.

To even attend anything with children, I need clearances.

I cannot obtain a job without clearances....

AND the foster ppl are at your house frequently to check the 'home' and they also listen to the child's report.

It is different here.

AND I see no need to allow gays to get in the mix and because they are gay doesnt make them more loving.

The original webby is case in point.

WE should, as Catholics, try to ensure a stable family background without any abuse whatsoever...! Spiritual included. For this life shall pass...but all eternity never ends.

 

[Debi1967]

that said, how many said families do you know and have the children languished or thrived?

And how many have gotten the proper Biblical Training and example being set by their parents in their home, which is also Biblical .... that the parents are responsible for training their children in the ways of the Lord?

So how many do you think have really told them, "Oh btw, kiddo what me and my partner are doing is an abomination towards God and here is the Scriptural evidence to support it?"

 

[scraparcs]

Sure, the best interests of the child are that they are raised in a stable, loving home with their married birth father and birth mother. Given that that is a rare event nowadays, what can we do for children?

 

[Gwendolyn]

I do not hate them, pray they will change...

And we are not supposed to "hate" anyone. We are called to love universally, without boundaries. The struggle of learning how to love freely and deeply is a very difficult one. The journey is arduous, and we cannot expect ourselves (or anyone else!) to be able to love in such a way without difficulty. Though we recognise the ideal and turn our eyes toward Heaven with hope and faith, we still carry the burden of our own sinfulness.

 

[ProCommunioneFacior]

Guys,

As lamentable as the foster care system can be, let us not forget that simply allowing homosexual couples to adopt children on the basis that they may make "better parents than some heterosexuals I know" is not only wrong from a Christian moral point of view, but it's a logical red herring.

There has been such a collapse in the family over the past fourty years, that we all need to some serious soul searching and make sure we are raising kids to be faithful, temperate, and courageous.

These three virtues can be applicable to all, pagan and Christian. I can assure that a good portion of children in foster care would simply not be there if ordinary people like you and I did not give up on one another in a loving relationship...i.e., marriage.

The breakdown of marriage has led to the breakdown of Western civilization. This same breakdown of marriage has led to an asexualization of our culture. This same asexualization has been used as a dogmatic and cultural tool for those who (knowingly or not) want to carve a new humanity...maybe not the "superman" anticipated by Nietzsche, but a man radically "free" (as the world considers freedom) from all perceived or actual moral constraints. Man no longer wants to obey his nature. In the end, the words of the Savior will ring true: He who sins is a slave of sin.

If St. Augustine said the City of Man consists of those who love self to the contempt of God, then he is proved again by these who love themselves so much, that they will annihilate themselves to remake the human race anew. "Ye shall be like gods," the Devil lied, "knowing good and evil." What the Devil knew, however, was that under the auspice of some good, he could tempt man into doing anything...even forfeiting his knowledge of objective good and evil by repeated wrong doing.

We as Christians, especially Catholic Christians, should never be encouraging a relationship that is based upon a violation of natural law and then promoting it on a simply utilitarian basis, as some of you are doing here...I am appalled by such a suggestion.

We may not do evil that "good" may come of it...the roots are rotten, and this tree will not grow!

Amen brother.

The only way to solve this problem of kids languishing in the foster system is to rescue the family life in this society. Promote ONLY marriage between a man and a woman. We also need to fight against contraception and pornography in this country which are effectively killing the souls of many. We have become a selfish country, an extremely selfish country, this is the root of the problem.

This is a culture of death.

 

[Debi1967]

Sure, the best interests of the child are that they are raised in a stable, loving home with their married birth father and birth mother. Given that that is a rare event nowadays, what can we do for children?

What we do for children is the best we can do under the circumstances given but that does not mean that we give up our Doctrines or the Faith or the natural Laws of mankind either ... We as Catholics and As Christians are expected to defend those ....

 

[Protinus]

This is a culture of death.

this is my culture, good and bad. Perhaps a floating island in the ocean might promote your ideas to a more faithful degree.

 

[Miss Shelby]

this is my culture, good and bad. Perhaps a floating island in the ocean might promote your ideas to a more faithful degree.

Would you have made that suggestion to Pope John Paul II? He coined the phrase.

It IS a culture of death and we have deal with it as steadfastly and loyally to Christ as possible. It doesn't mean cutting ourselves off from it, but we do need to be aware.

Michelle

 

[CaDan]

I post only to address the implied factual allegation in the OP. That allegation is that same sex couples habitually abuse and even kill their children.

I further post to address the factual allegation that children who encounter a same sex couple will automatically react with disgust.

These are factual allegations unrelated to the rhetorical hyperbole engaged in by both the Church and by the participants in this thread.

You can all go back to your dour dance of outrage now.

 

[Debi1967]

this is my culture, good and bad. Perhaps a floating island in the ocean might promote your ideas to a more faithful degree.

So it is your culture does not make it right and therefore, because of that IMHO, as Catholics we promote God Always, we therefore p[romote the Church that He established .... If His Church says NO to something then it is NO, we then adhere to that and promote that .... You may find that a little fairy talish... I find that staying in Communion with the Lord and removing ourselves from the culture of Death that pervades us continually .... which is what we are supposed to be doing

 

[Miss Shelby]

I further post to address the factual allegation that children who encounter a same sex couple will automatically react with disgust.

I said that we all have it born within us to know the difference between right and wrong.

And I don't know what a dour dance is, but the death of a child is a sad and tragic thing. But I never said that all homosexuals are homicidal.

Michelle

 

[Debi1967]

I post only to address the implied factual allegation in the OP. That allegation is that same sex couples habitually abuse and even kill their children.

I further post to address the factual allegation that children who encounter a same sex couple will automatically react with disgust.

These are factual allegations unrelated to the rhetorical hyperbole engaged in by both the Church and by the participants in this thread.

You can all go back to your dour dance of outrage now.

That has not been factually stated here what was addressed in teh OP was ONE case and in doing so I think that he was trying to bring across that if it happens to only one then it is wrong .....

Abuse of any kind is wrong .... but to further the issue the child was called upon to call a woman "Daddy" and the child refused, there I wonder why myself? Maybe because the child knew that Daddy's were men and not women? Otherwise why would the child refuse to call one of her own parents something out of respect if she loved them?

Your second contention is also untrue we are not saying that they will automatically react with disgust.... that is my contention precisely ....

Children are highly influenced by their parents and by their parents training of them when they are growing up, therefore, these parents will teach them that essentially homosexuality, which is against the Laws of nature and Against the Scriptural laws of God, is perfectly ok .... therefore the huge potential is there to ignore what God has to say on the matter in favor of their parents and their allegiance to them .... Sorry Cadan but there is no hyberbole here just genuine outrage that is outlined and is verified Scripturally and within Doctrine

 

[GraceInHim]

The Boston gay adoption flap is about children’s rights and religious freedom by Father Jonathan Morris

Catholic Charities Ends Adoptions Over Gay Issue

http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=19090

 

[WarriorAngel]

that said, how many said families do you know and have the children languished or thrived?

I know of a woman who was ridiculed, attacked and hated for her adopted families 'values.'

So end result...there is still abuse.

AND I add, she is a bisexual now. See what fruit came from that? :o

 

[Debi1967]

Another question

Who here thinks the Church should be looking for more SOCIAL ACCEPTANCE instead of the ACCEPTANCE OF GOD? BTW, this question is rhetorical in nature because I truthfully do not believe it will be answered anyway, just something to think about though ....

 

[boughtwithaprice]

What we do for children is the best we can do under the circumstances given but that does not mean that we give up our Doctrines or the Faith or the natural Laws of mankind either ... We as Catholics and As Christians are expected to defend those ....

Defending Catholic doctrine is good, but do we really believe it? If so, then our actions must follow our words. Do we believe that the foster care system is doing violence to children? then how many want to help by adopting or becoming foster parents ourselves? Are the children worth that, or do we just leave them to languish in foster limbo? Abandon them all, let God sort them out?

If enough Catholic heterosexual couples would volunteer to adopt or care for foster children, then there would be no need for gay adoption. Gay unions do not result in children, and the only children available to them are those that have been abused or abandoned by heterosexuals. If there were enough people helping, this should be a non-issue.

We are the salt of the earth, but what? have we lost our savor? Is there no call to action? What would we do for the children? If all we do is spout perfect Catholic doctrine, yet do nothing to help a child, it is as Paul taught, we have become nothing but clanging cymbals

God help us

 

[CaDan]

The statement to which I responded is:

I have yet to meet a child that is totally innocent and very young look at two of the same sex 'together' and find it WITHOUT HESITATION....COMPLETELY ACCEPTABLE.
They stare and they are frightened.

Found in Post #11 in this thread.

Perhaps I am just the outlier in sample.

In any event, all I can say is "But still it moves."

 

[Miss Shelby]

Defending Catholic doctrine is good, but do we really believe it? If so, then our actions must follow our words. Do we believe that the foster care system is doing violence to children? then how many want to help by adopting or becoming foster parents ourselves? Are the children worth that, or do we just leave them to languish in foster limbo? Abandon them all, let God sort them out?

If enough Catholic heterosexual couples would volunteer to adopt or care for foster children, then there would be no need for gay adoption. Gay unions do not result in children, and the only children available to them are those that have been abused or abandoned by heterosexuals. If there were enough people helping, this should be a non-issue.

We are the salt of the earth, but what? have we lost our savor? Is there no call to action? What would we do for the children? If all we do is spout perfect Catholic doctrine, yet do nothing to help a child, it is as Paul taught, we have become nothing but clanging cymbals

God help us

I agree. We are pharisees if we do nothing about it. I am very convicted of that.

Michelle

 

[Miss Shelby]

The statement to which I responded is:

Oh, I thought you responding, in part to me. What can I say, it's like the song: 'I'm so vain, I always think this thread is about me' /attempting joke.

Michelle