Don't tell ME it isn't a deviancy! . . . Catholics only, please.

[Debi1967]

well, that's what I am trying to do, however pathetically, and I'm being accused of being righteously judgemental. This may come as a huge shock to some people, but I really do WANT people to like me. I don't like being viewed as a witch. ( I really don't)

Michelle

You a witch ..... never Michelle you are lovable as always .... (besides that is my title remember )

 

[WarriorAngel]

Why is homosexuality the only serious sin people care about when considering where to place children?

Perhaps the answer lies within Christ's words...
Matthew 18

6 But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea.

Not only are the children in danger, but the souls of the gays who would be in peril too for showing God's children such things.

So it is a no no all around.

 

[Teshi]

I dont know about your state hon, but in mine, you need classes, background checks, abuse checks, police checks, and basically the foster system where I live at now keeps a very close eye on the 'child' who is in a foster home.

ALSO, a child is no longer allowed in the system longer than 18 months, with the foster families given the option to adopt first. or family members. AND the child must agree with that adoption if they like them or not. {Which is gr8 news}

SO as disgusting as this was for you...and believe me it is disgusting...it not the norm now.

Foster care systems where I live are very careful and extremely cautious and the child is questioned about how they are treated in the home.

And perhaps outcries from folks like you, the system needed an overhaul desperately.

I am sorry beyond words about this treatment, and offer you HUGE hugs if I could personally give them I would.

Altho, now we have cleaned up the foster care...we should look forward to keeping it clean for all aspects of the child.
Both to remove physical harm and spiritual.

Peace to you.

It is not true. I wish it were and it must be nice for you to believe it, but it's not.

Let me put my view another way:

"Kids need a balanced diet of healthy foods, but right now we don't have enough fruits and vegetables available to go around. So therefore we will just not feed them at all for fear of giving them unhealthy food."

This is what all you who promote kids staying in the system instead of going to permanent placements are advocating. And now I really am unsubscribing.

 

[Protinus]

About the same way we make people aware of gossip and lying and gluttony and greed and all those things?

YES

 

[ps139]

As opposed, of course, to the lesser danger to the soul that lies in being molested and beaten and neglected and told, time and time again, by action and by words, that no one in this country thinks you're worth a damn thing?

Again, where is your basis that one is worse than the other?

I do realize you unsubscribed so you will not be responding.

 

[D'Ann]

Guys,

As lamentable as the foster care system can be, let us not forget that simply allowing homosexual couples to adopt children on the basis that they may make "better parents than some heterosexuals I know" is not only wrong from a Christian moral point of view, but it's a logical red herring.

There has been such a collapse in the family over the past fourty years, that we all need to some serious soul searching and make sure we are raising kids to be faithful, temperate, and courageous.

These three virtues can be applicable to all, pagan and Christian. I can assure that a good portion of children in foster care would simply not be there if ordinary people like you and I did not give up on one another in a loving relationship...i.e., marriage.

The breakdown of marriage has led to the breakdown of Western civilization. This same breakdown of marriage has led to an asexualization of our culture. This same asexualization has been used as a dogmatic and cultural tool for those who (knowingly or not) want to carve a new humanity...maybe not the "superman" anticipated by Nietzsche, but a man radically "free" (as the world considers freedom) from all perceived or actual moral constraints. Man no longer wants to obey his nature. In the end, the words of the Savior will ring true: He who sins is a slave of sin.

If St. Augustine said the City of Man consists of those who love self to the contempt of God, then he is proved again by these who love themselves so much, that they will annihilate themselves to remake the human race anew. "Ye shall be like gods," the Devil lied, "knowing good and evil." What the Devil knew, however, was that under the auspice of some good, he could tempt man into doing anything...even forfeiting his knowledge of objective good and evil by repeated wrong doing.

We as Christians, especially Catholic Christians, should never be encouraging a relationship that is based upon a violation of natural law and then promoting it on a simply utilitarian basis, as some of you are doing here...I am appalled by such a suggestion.

We may not do evil that "good" may come of it...the roots are rotten, and this tree will not grow!

Excellent post... Ditto... and amazing and well written.

God bless,

Debbie

 

[ps139]

well, that's what I am trying to do, however pathetically, and I'm being accused of being righteously judgemental.

It comes with the territory of actually listening to Church teaching. Don't worry about it. Id rather be following Rome than clamoring for tolerance while at the same time not tolerating opposing viewpoints.

 

[Debi1967]

It is not true. I wish it were and it must be nice for you to believe it, but it's not.

Let me put my view another way:

"Kids need a balanced diet of healthy foods, but right now we don't have enough fruits and vegetables available to go around. So therefore we will just not feed them at all for fear of giving them unhealthy food."

This is what all you who promote kids staying in the system instead of going to permanent placements are advocating. And now I really am unsubscribing.

Teshi,
I usually agree with you on a lot of things here.... But you are asking for government to be perfect.... IOW you are asking for man's solutions to be a perfect enviroment to answer things and that is just not going to happen. The reason we know this, well again Scripture tells us this too .... Does this mean that it gives us the right to contradict God's Laws for us because of it?

I do not think so.... because think then about who are we relying on, ourselves and man for solutions or God?

 

[Debi1967]

It comes with the territory of actually listening to Church teaching. Don't worry about it. Id rather be following Rome than clamoring for tolerance while at the same time not tolerating opposing viewpoints.

Agreed!

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

*Shannon steps away silently....walking at first....and then running.....

 

[ps139]

Why is homosexuality the only serious sin people care about when considering where to place children?

Again, why do you assume that because I say X is bad, that I then think Y must be good? Or that I ignore Y. You completely missed the point of my post. My point was that in foster homes and in homosexual homes, children face different types of dangers, and how can we determine which are worse? Also, that one being bad does not de facto make the other good. Your response to me implies that you think I would knowingly place a child in a physically abusive home instead of a homosexual home (as in, I only care about one type of sin). I said nothing of the sort. I do not know what I would do, I'd likely look for a 3rd option, but I certainly wouldn't go around pretending that being raised with 2 daddies is beneficial for a child's soul and psychological development.

 

[Protinus]

*Shannon steps away silently....walking at first....and then running.....

As opposed to my frozen cataplexy??

 

[D'Ann]

Quote

Originally Posted by: Miss Shelby

well, that's what I am trying to do, however pathetically, and I'm being accused of being righteously judgemental. This may come as a huge shock to some people, but I really do WANT people to like me. I don't like being viewed as a witch. ( I really don't)

Michelle

You a witch ..... never Michelle you are lovable as always .... (besides that is my title remember )

Nope to both of you... you all know that it is my title... I've just been keeping it to myself... (or trying to).

 

[Debi1967]

Can I ask a question why is it that when we stick to topic, and defend the Church we are ridiculed by our own Brethren?

 

[Protinus]

I do not know what I would do, I'd likely look for a 3rd option, but I certainly wouldn't go around pretending that being raised with 2 daddies is beneficial for a child's soul and psychological development.

How do you know that it is not?

 

[D'Ann]

It comes with the territory of actually listening to Church teaching. Don't worry about it. Id rather be following Rome than clamoring for tolerance while at the same time not tolerating opposing viewpoints.

Yep... exactly.

 

[Debi1967]

your title is wimp my dear and you know it .... OOOOOH did I just say that to a Mod ...... ooops I love you D'Ann ROFL

My own personal Big honcho ....

 

[GraceInHim]

Is this about the adults or the children? What would Jesus think of one of his sheep (babes), who are harmless, cannot speak for themselves, parentless going to a house of two men or two woman who in my view the only thing they care about is sex, why be with the same sex, if I was not attracted to males, I would rather be alone and be a monk..lol... sorry, but why would they be together in the first place.. do not buy they have a gene to it.. it starts with lust.. just as a prostitute, adulterous, pedefiles and on and on.

Does anyone know how many Homosexuals are Christians? anyone have a %?

I know Massachusetts they can get married and now adopt and foster children..

I do not hate them, pray they will change... just think the children of Catholic Charities should not be told by the state to do something that goes against the teachings and faith by God, not man!
jmo

 

[Debi1967]

How do you know that it is not?

Because the Scriptures say it would not be and because the Church has affirmed it, therefore because we are told that Peter has the Keys we listen to the Church on these matters .... especially when it comes to Doctrine!

RRRRRR I hate it when the reply button does not work

 

[ps139]

How do you know that it is not?

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html

As experience has shown, the absence of sexual complementarity in [homosexual] unions creates obstacles in the normal development of children who would be placed in the care of such persons. They would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or motherhood. Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development. This is gravely immoral and in open contradiction to the principle, recognized also in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, that the best interests of the child, as the weaker and more vulnerable party, are to be the paramount consideration in every case.