Don't approve "no abortion"? how about "forced sterilization"?

[Nithavela]

Forced sterilisation of 100 % of the population is a neat idea, but still leaves a couple of decades of mankind. I think we can go faster.

 

[loveofourlord]

What makes you think I don't have evidence? What do you consider to be evidence? I think I have lots of it. I've controlled the life of no one in my life, hell, I can barely keep my own life under control. Not sure why you think my speech is so effective, if only it were!

Okay what is your evidence? I've never actually heard any valid arguments against contraceptives that aren't based on fallacies. Do you have anything biblical and not just, "It feels wrong." Given how many people again the catholic church has killed with their stance on contraceptives, I think the harm in not using is imense.

 

[Abaxvahl]

Okay what is your evidence? I've never actually heard any valid arguments against contraceptives that aren't based on fallacies. Do you have anything biblical and not just, "It feels wrong." Given how many people again the catholic church has killed with their stance on contraceptives, I think the harm in not using is imense.

What do you mean by "Biblical"? You should know that how a Catholic reads Scripture and how a Protestant (correct me if my assumption is wrong) differs, so that through the eyes of each worldview we will inevitably see different things. Either way the article I linked above and it's companion which I did not link are evidence, the story of Onan of course, and the Church throughout the ages. I have no real feelings about contraceptive acts, I simply know it is wrong, so it doesn't "feel wrong" I have been argued into saying it was wrong.

 

[loveofourlord]

What do you mean by "Biblical"? You should know that how a Catholic reads Scripture and how a Protestant (correct me if my assumption is wrong) differs, so that through the eyes of each worldview we will inevitably see different things. Either way the article I linked above and it's companion which I did not link are evidence, the story of Onan of course, and the Church throughout the ages.

Onan's sin was disobeying god, not contraceptives, or touching yourself or what ever nonsense people want to tack onto it. If your going to call something a sin, you need more then just gut feelings. There is a term I've come up with years ago for what I find so often happens, "Saving ones soul at the cost of ones humanity." too much legalism the very thing Jesus spoke out against. Caring not for lives, but what one thinks is a sin. people dying of preventable diseases, unwanted children is fine, because your obeying what you think is the law and not caring about whats true or actual and caring about lives.

 

[Abaxvahl]

Onan's sin was disobeying god, not contraceptives, or touching yourself or what ever nonsense people want to tack onto it. If your going to call something a sin, you need more then just gut feelings.

It most certainly wasn't masturbation, we were speaking of contracepted sexual acts. As explained in my post (I did edit it so you didn't see it), this has nothing to do with gut feelings. I also offered other points in favor.

 

[returntosender]

Numbers of abortions drop significantly under Democrat administrations, which promote policies that reduce the need for abortions, rather than the cruder approach of trying to control individual behaviour the GOP favours. The difference is significant - a 30/26% drop under Clinton/Obama compared to 3-4% under Reagan and Bush. The data makes it clear that anyone keen to reduce abortion should vote democrat, unless they share the unfortunate preference for fantasy over data.

Your poll needs another option - responsible policies promoting sex education, availability of contraception and other measures that have a significant impact on the numbers of abortions performed, rather than policies based on fantasy and emotion.

PolitiFact

I agree with adding what you said but they have those options for years and they don't use them. It's too late to put it in the poll, sorry

 

[returntosender]

How does one go from "No abortions" to "forced sterilization" as the only two options?

What are the others that are new? They have everything else at there service but they don't use them.

 

[newwaytobehuman]

I don't support either abortion or forced sterilisations . Contraceptives, yes..

 

[newwaytobehuman]

Voluntary sterilisation I support. Under the new covenant do damaged testicles matter?

 

[Desk trauma]

Voluntary sterilisation I support. Under the new covenant do damaged testicles matter?

A vasectomy does not damage ones testicles.

 

[returntosender]

So the consensus is most don't want either.
You have to come up with better alternatives.
You all flunked this survey.

 

[Desk trauma]

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[returntosender]

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[returntosender]

Voluntary sterilisation I support. Under the new covenant do damaged testicles matter?

The offenders would never agree to that.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Abortion is a killer. How about taking away their choice and mandate sterilization? We are heading toward socialism. Seems appropriate for the time.
I'm just the messenger.

Ummm

You do realize that abortion policy doesn't have anything do with
- Means of production
- Centrally planned government
- Size and scope of the public sector
- Compulsory participation in said public sector

So not sure what abortion has to do with socialism.

Especially considering that many of the more socialist leaning regimes throughout time in places like Latin America tend to have even stricter rules against both abortion than capitalist countries (due to the large catholic influence)


I'm ardently opposed to both socialism and communism...but people sure do make my job of defending opposition harder by watering down the meaning and reducing it to "anything I don't like is socialism", thereby, giving everyone else the impression that anyone who rejects those things must be some sort of shallow uninformed person.

These false comparisons are what force me to have to start off every debate with first demonstrating that I know what socialism actually is before explaining the reasons I oppose it.