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Does your religion allow for a multiverse?

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Inspired of course by the thread about how the possibility of life beyond earth and how it relates to religion.

If in the future, somehow humanity figured out that we are not existing in the only universe, and in fact there is at least one other universe in existence, perhaps many more. We also know that this universe also contains another earth full of humanity.

How do you think Christianity would react if the multiverse was discovered?

Personally speaking, how would you react in your faith if it is discovered that there is more then just one universe out there?
 

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Inspired of course by the thread about how the possibility of life beyond earth and how it relates to religion.

If in the future, somehow humanity figured out that we are not existing in the only universe, and in fact there is at least one other universe in existence, perhaps many more. We also know that this universe also contains another earth full of humanity.

How do you think Christianity would react if the multiverse was discovered?

Personally speaking, how would you react in your faith if it is discovered that there is more then just one universe out there?

I think both heaven and hell must already exist in adjacent universes--at least three right there.
 
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The discovery of a multiverse that was more than simply theoretical would not affect Christianity in the slightest other than revealing that God's plan for his creation was bigger than we had previously known. Interestingly, a similar question was posed about hypothetical people living on the 'other side' of the Earth.

Says one theologian to the second: "If I could prove to you that people lived on the other side of the earth, would that change your faith?"
 
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Of course. Genesis 1:1 and the reference to the plural: Heavens.

Inspired of course by the thread about how the possibility of life beyond earth and how it relates to religion.

If in the future, somehow humanity figured out that we are not existing in the only universe, and in fact there is at least one other universe in existence, perhaps many more. We also know that this universe also contains another earth full of humanity.

How do you think Christianity would react if the multiverse was discovered?

Personally speaking, how would you react in your faith if it is discovered that there is more then just one universe out there?
 
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Says one theologian to the second: "If I could prove to you that people lived on the other side of the earth, would that change your faith?"

Or if there were alternate versions of oneself unless that's what you were referring too.
 
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Or if there were alternate versions of oneself unless that's what you were referring too.

Hmmm... I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. I was referring to when it was not commonly known in Europe that people lived in the Americas, let alone that they existed. The theological question was essentially this: "If people live on the other side of the earth, would that change Christianity in any way?"

One of the main issues at the time, and one that I admittedly read into the initial multiverse question, was whether or not it would be a problem for human beings to be living in such a 'remote' place because they would not have even heard of Christianity. Would the fact that generations had lived and died without ever hearing of Jesus have been a problem.

Put bluntly, using words that they would have used, not my own, is it acceptable that these Pagans never even had a chance to be baptized or repent because their entire civilization had never even heard of Christianity?
 
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What I mean is if there were multiverses if there are any ones that parallel ours and if there are alternate versions of ourselves.

Sort of like the sci fi show Sliders if anyone has ever seen that show.
 
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Inspired of course by the thread about how the possibility of life beyond earth and how it relates to religion.

If in the future, somehow humanity figured out that we are not existing in the only universe, and in fact there is at least one other universe in existence, perhaps many more. We also know that this universe also contains another earth full of humanity.

How do you think Christianity would react if the multiverse was discovered?

Personally speaking, how would you react in your faith if it is discovered that there is more then just one universe out there?
Thank you for posing the question.
Except for the fact it wasn't me posting it, I'm a little surprised you haven't been accused of "tinfoil hattery".

At any rate, if another universe exists, then this one isn't the universe.
IOW, the discovery of another universe would simply force the redefinition of the word "universe".

See what I mean?
The only "other universes" I've heard of are either "in another dimension" or "on another timeline".
 
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Thank you for posing the question.
Except for the fact it wasn't me posting it, I'm a little surprised you haven't been accused of "tinfoil hattery".

At any rate, if another universe exists, then this one isn't the universe.
IOW, the discovery of another universe would simply force the redefinition of the word "universe".

See what I mean?
The only "other universes" I've heard of are either "in another dimension" or "on another timeline".

There has to be an alternative timeline.. almost 2015 and I see no flying cars, self drying coats, or self tying shoe laces.
 
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There has to be an alternative timeline.. almost 2015 and I see no flying cars, self drying coats, or self tying shoe laces.

You think Marty McFly messed everything up :D
 
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Inspired of course by the thread about how the possibility of life beyond earth and how it relates to religion.

If in the future, somehow humanity figured out that we are not existing in the only universe, and in fact there is at least one other universe in existence, perhaps many more. We also know that this universe also contains another earth full of humanity.

How do you think Christianity would react if the multiverse was discovered?

Personally speaking, how would you react in your faith if it is discovered that there is more then just one universe out there?

The thread about habitable planets in other solar system begins with hard-science fact showing 100's of planets in the habitable zone of other solar systems before making its case.

What basis do you present in the OP that we have actually discovered other universes?

If you look at the internet video "What we still don't know" you will see nobel prize winning atheist scientists - Martin Reese and Leonard Suskind explaining how it is they "imagined to themselves" the multiverse solution to help the atheists out of a huge problem that they are having with the cosmological constant pointing to an intelligent designer.

And for their "fully imagined" idea to work and save atheists they need not merely 1 other universe -- but rather something on the order of 10^500 other universes (10 with 499 zeroes added) -- each of them flawed and failing so that this 1 out of 10^500 just-right situation might see "reasonable" as a product of "chance".

in Christ,

Bob
 
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Bob, what I have seen lately presents reality along the lines of the holographic model.
A recent experiment proved that observation influences test results. In other words, if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to witness it, it not only doesn't make a sound, it doesn't even exist in what we like to call "objective reality". But according to this holographic model, reality is just a shared "dream"
That we collectively manifest. Consciousness is therefore the source of what we call matter. But materialistic science has revealed that matter has no irreducible component. All matter is vibrational frequencies. SO THE "irresistible force" will pass thru the "immovable object".
The intelligence behind the design is being conceived of as an undifferentiated "ocean of consciousness". Egos are the program of differentiation, allowing the "ocean" to experience itself.

Hey,... it's just a theory I've heard and can direct you to if you are interested.
I 'm not here to be a punching bag, so if you want to bag on the theory instead of me, feel free. I'm not here to defend it or anything, just trying to add what might be relevant discussion.
 
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Inspired of course by the thread about how the possibility of life beyond earth and how it relates to religion.

If in the future, somehow humanity figured out that we are not existing in the only universe, and in fact there is at least one other universe in existence, perhaps many more. We also know that this universe also contains another earth full of humanity.

How do you think Christianity would react if the multiverse was discovered?

Personally speaking, how would you react in your faith if it is discovered that there is more then just one universe out there?
Technically, the dynamic of another universe outside of this one would not be that hard to fathom - and would no more problematic than understanding the ways that black holes truly exist in our universe. There were other threads on the issue which went more in-depth on the matter (including discussing the issue of alien life or planets with humans on it....similar to how shows like Star Gate have done) such as Examining the film "Contact" & wondering what you feel Science/Faith plays in life?. There are others who've spoken on the issue, such as Dr. Michael Heiser:


Others have spoken as well which may be of interest:





Shows like Star Trek have done a good job in illustrating differing realities that can be possible with multiple realities - as I'm reminded of examples like the Nexus from "Star Trek Generations" which allowed someone to go to any place at any time...

Star Trek: Generations (5/8) Movie CLIP - The Nexus (1994) HD - YouTube

Star Trek Generations Picard In The Nexus - YouTube

Their ideas for parallel universes and multiverse never seemed opposite of what scripture seemed to note .....especially if holding to a theological system that allows for aspects of the present or the future to be open and some things not set in stone.. But in the practical, Scientists have proposed this view in something known as String Theory...


String Theory....the theory which says that at the basic structure of matter and space, all matter is ultimately composed of "string-like" structures that vibrate at different frequencies and energy levels. String Theory also predicts that there exists multiple external universes to our own that sometimes bounce into each other and collide. For the historical basis of this, one can research when scientists began to accept inflation, a theory developed by American physicist Alan Guth and his Soviet counterpart, Andrei Linde, in the early 1980s. For inflation holds that shortly after the Big Bang, a small shard of space-time underwent extremely rapid expansion, ultimately to become what we see around us: a universe of galaxies receding from one another. That theory opened up the possibility that other chunks of space-time went through their own inflation, creating a tremendous number of “pocket universes.”

The idea gradually grew into what is now known as the multi*verse theory, the notion that our observable universe is just one of perhaps an infinite number of cosmic domains, each with its own version of the laws of physics. In this view there is no need to explain why our universe has a particular set of physical laws, since somewhere out there exists a pocket universe for each possible set.....and of course, string theory inevitably got interwoven within that.

For more info:

For more information, the November 2008 issue of Scientific American magazine devotes an article to "Colliding Universes" which have different dimensions and structures to our own....and there is the suggestion that perhaps just such a collision was the cause of the event that we call "The Big Bang". Some would argue that there be a common thread between the "alternate universes" of physics and the places described in the Bible.....and for those who don't believe in Hell (or Heaven), there is a very real possibility that future discoveries in science will confirm such a place can exist, possibly as one of those external universes to our own.

Some of the examples of such would be seen in how the Bible makes reference to a "bottomless pit" ( Luke 8:30-32 , Revelation 9:1-3, Revelation 20:2-4 , etc). To many, it could not be a better description of certain objects in space which have been proven to exist, that we call "Black Holes". For they have gravity so great that they trap matter and even light, inside, forever, in a concentrated geometric point in which the density is infinite and the temperature is infinitely high. Many scientists have specualated that these may be the doorways, or "Wormholes" to these external universes since the very nature of Black Holes is to be much like a vaccume that sucks down matter and disperses it on the other side/"mouth" fo the Hole in its inverse. There is also a luminous belt, called an "accretion disk", that surrounds these dark objects, which is flat and gives off radiation, much like a "lake of fire".

On String Theory, another example of how it can be used is in reference (biblically speaking) to the other realm or dimension in which angels and/or God may exist....as even Paul spoke about a ‘third heaven’ (2 Corinthians 12:2) and these may be compartments or areas of a spiritual realm or dimension. Even as it concerns concepts we know today that others may use in arguing against String Theory, it is established in the scientific community that all theories/ facts are ultimately provisional even when we may have good reason to be very confident about some of them.

Others may disagree....but I think that the science does give many credible things that lend to what scripture already describes.

Christians, like the Old-Earth/Progressive Creationist, Dr Hugh Ross, have actively supported the string theory camp and hold to the view that the other dimensions invoked by string theory could be the ‘other’ spiritual dimensions mentioned in Scripture. And as it concerns how other believers hold to the thought of string/theory & differing dimensions being in line with the scriptures, as Hugh Ross said best:


“Did you know that our universe likely began with 10 space-time dimensions? Yet we can only access four—length, width, height, and time. The Creator of all these dimensions must exist in the equivalent of 11 or more. So, what’s impossible in 4 dimensions—like listening to billions of prayers at once—is no problem for God.”
For more info, Dr. Ross just released the third edition of his acclaimed book that you mentioned, “Beyond the Cosmos”, where he updates readers on some recent discoveries reinforcing string theory and general relativity and relates how that further points to a transcendant creator God....and thankfully, he has written some articles on his website for more info. In order to find out more, one can go online/investigate the following under its respective title:
Whether one believes in the "Big Bang" theory where all matter/existence in all things beginning in a manner such as as goes the traditional view of Creationism when saying the Universe/all forms of existence began----or whether one holds to the "String Theory" view that many scientists hold to where matter has always existed/taken differing forms, I can go both ways....for its all beautiful--
 
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What basis do you present in the OP that we have actually discovered other universes?



Bob

I have not presented any basis that we have figured out that a multiverse actually exists (we haven't). I was only asking the question, if HYPOTHETICALLY (aka What If?) a multiverse was discovered, how would the discovery relate to Christianity.
 
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Bob, what I have seen lately presents reality along the lines of the holographic model.
A recent experiment proved that observation influences test results. In other words, if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to witness it, it not only doesn't make a sound, it doesn't even exist in what we like to call "objective reality". But according to this holographic model, reality is just a shared "dream"
That we collectively manifest. Consciousness is therefore the source of what we call matter. But materialistic science has revealed that matter has no irreducible component. All matter is vibrational frequencies. SO THE "irresistible force" will pass thru the "immovable object".
The intelligence behind the design is being conceived of as an undifferentiated "ocean of consciousness". Egos are the program of differentiation, allowing the "ocean" to experience itself.

Hey,... it's just a theory I've heard and can direct you to if you are interested.
I 'm not here to be a punching bag, so if you want to bag on the theory instead of me, feel free. I'm not here to defend it or anything, just trying to add what might be relevant discussion.

You lost me at "holographic"....:sorry:
 
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Inspired of course by the thread about how the possibility of life beyond earth and how it relates to religion.

If in the future, somehow humanity figured out that we are not existing in the only universe, and in fact there is at least one other universe in existence, perhaps many more. We also know that this universe also contains another earth full of humanity.

How do you think Christianity would react if the multiverse was discovered?

Personally speaking, how would you react in your faith if it is discovered that there is more then just one universe out there?

Very interesting question, but for me, it would not have any bearing on my beliefs. Why would it after all? Augustine of Hippo proposed that God would likely be the sort of being that would create many universes. And it is reasonable to think that he would be. If you think that the fine-tuning argument is a sound argument for God, that would probably have to be discarded or revised but I can't see how this would have any bearing on Christian doctrine. Certainly if we think that God could create one universe, it is certain that he could create as many other ones as he so desired but whether he did, since they would be located in another time and space, will almost certainly remain speculative. It is difficult to imagine how we could have any such evidence and thus the notion is likely to remain a conjecture.
 
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