Does your religion allow for a multiverse?

[BobRyan]

I have not presented any basis that we have figured out that a multiverse actually exists (we haven't). I was only asking the question, if HYPOTHETICALLY (aka What If?) a multiverse was discovered, how would the discovery relate to Christianity.

My point is that the entire multiverse idea came up in scientific circles today as a response by atheists to escape the logical "intelligent designer" conclusion forced upon them by the cosmological constant.

So then the question is whether this much-needed and much-imagined escape mechanism (to save the atheist view of the universe) can married to Christianity.

The christian religion does not need it. The atheist's evolutionist religion does.

In the 1800's our galaxy was thought to be the "entire universe".

in the 1900's we learned that there are many other galaxies to this "one universe".

If ever there was a legit excuse to invent "multi-verse" that was it. But they knew better because we are all in the same fabric of space-time.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[RDKirk]

Christianity does not "need" it to be. Christianity also does not need it not to be.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Christianity stands or falls on whether or not Jesus of Nazareth rose from the dead.

It would be a problem for Christianity if it turned out that Jesus' tomb still had a dead Jesus buried in it.

But inhabitable exo-planets, parallel universes, aliens, or trans-dimensional robots wouldn't be an issue one way or the other.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Chesterton]

I remember reading an article in Discover magazine years ago where a couple of cosmologist scientists pretty much came out and said that although there was no actual evidence for a multiverse, they supported the idea; they had to come up with something because the idea of an absolute beginning (for which there is evidence) was just "too religious".

But I agree with those who say it doesn't matter. God can do what He pleases, and He's not obligated to inform us of everything He does.

 

[BobRyan]

I remember reading an article in Discover magazine years ago where a couple of cosmologist scientists pretty much came out and said that although there was no actual evidence for a multiverse, they supported the idea;

Atheists "need it" because without it they are stuck having to conclude in favor of intelligent design -- against their own religious bias.

But with an almost infinite set of multiverses (something like 10^500 of them) they can at least "tells a story" about time and chance producing this one.

How sad for them that no science shows that wild guesswork to be anything other than wishful thinking for the atheist.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Rhamiel]

I think both heaven and hell must already exist in adjacent universes--at least three right there.

interesting

I do not mean to seem contrary
but maybe Heaven and Hell are spiritual realities instead of being different universes?

as in a state of being for spiritual entities (God, souls of dead people, angels)
the only problem with my view is that Jesus ascended into Heaven
and Jesus has a body....
but... it is a Glorified Body so that also kind of outside what we can know and understand at this point

also there is the assumption of Elijah (and Mary in Catholic theology)
both of those point to Heaven having a physical component

 

[RDKirk]

interesting

I do not mean to seem contrary
but maybe Heaven and Hell are spiritual realities instead of being different universes?

Those would be adjacent universes. That's as good a name as any. The physical laws would be very different.

The thing about an adjacent universe is that it is immediately adjacent this universe at every point in space. If there were a way to transit from universe to the adjacent universe, it would be merely a kind of twist (one writer describes it as turning 90 degrees out of dimension) and you'd be in the adjacent universe.

I think it's better to be elevated a bit off the ground in order to take a minimum of unwanted matter from this universe into the other.

 

[Rhamiel]

Those would be adjacent universes. That's as good a name as any. The physical laws would be very different.

The thing about an adjacent universe is that it is immediately adjacent this universe at every point in space. If there were a way to transit from universe to the adjacent universe, it would be merely a kind of twist (one writer describes it as turning 90 degrees out of dimension) and you'd be in the adjacent universe.

I think it's better to be elevated a bit off the ground in order to take a minimum of unwanted matter from this universe into the other.

well....
like radio waves
human beings can not see radio waves
but that is not an adjacent universe, is it?

so angels, souls, could be kind of like radio waves, ordered thought patterns all around us, that are either in communion with God and are happy (heaven) or in a state of brokenness and not happy (hell)

 

[BobRyan]

Those would be adjacent universes. That's as good a name as any. The physical laws would be very different.

You are close to something in that greek paganism is probably not real.

But in the actual Bible you are talking about Rev 20 where the lake of Fire happens to the real wicked after being bodily resurrected on real earth surrounding the real city of God and burned by real fire and real brimmstone.

Such that "both body and soul are destroyed in fiery hell" Matt 10:28

all of which point to real life - real universe - this one.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[RDKirk]

well....
like radio waves
human beings can not see radio waves
but that is not an adjacent universe, is it?

so angels, souls, could be kind of like radio waves, ordered thought patterns all around us, that are either in communion with God and are happy (heaven) or in a state of brokenness and not happy (hell)

Electromagnetic radiation is, of course, a physical phenomenon that is detectable by physical means, so it's not a good example.

We know the spiritual realm exists independently from the physical realm (2 Corinthians 4). There's no reason why beings an adjacent universe with a higher order of dimensions would not be able to discern and interact with beings in a universe of lower-order dimensions.

That would be like a 3-D being (such as us) creating a 2-D "Flatland" and drawing in it to interact with the Flatlanders. Their perception of us would be limited because they would not be aware of the third dimension, but we would be fully aware of both of their dimensions. We could enter Flatland and remove ourselves from it at any time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8oiwnNlyE4

 

[Rick Otto]

Radio waves are like Flatland. We can tune in or out as we please.