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Isn't it a bit of a dichotomy when verse 9 says we are cleansed of all sin, to go and say you still have sin? Did Jesus lie?
Faith, not site.
Sincerity, when confessing my sins one to another.
Your faith seems to be misplaced. You have more faith that you are a sinner, than the fact that Jesus has cleansed you of all sin?
Are you really saying that the seed of God CAN bring forth evil fruit?That's the story of life even after being reborn.
To be so adamant about a POV, you must have at least one scripture to back it up.The truth is, even after being born again, a Christian will still sin every second of every day for the rest of their lives, with every breath they take. Anything that isn't done out of pure love for God is a damnable sin. Every breath a Christian takes is a damnable sin! No one not named Jesus Christ has EVER been able to do anything out of a pure love of God. The difference is that a Christian has his damnable sins cloaked in the righteousness of Christ, while a non-believer does not. Our sin is covered by Christ like a dungheap is covered by snow.
So you too call growth in grace and knowledge "sanctification"?I believe justification is the cleansing of all sin, and it is at that point that God sets us, His cleansed vessel, apart for good works, sanctification. The progression of good works is the glorification.
1 John 1:8 & 10 are written regarding those from verse 6...those who SAY they have fellowship with God but walk in darkness.Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness. (1 John 1:8-10)
Why do you believe..."Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." (Rom 6:6)...Oh, my “Old Man” is indeed buried... but to be sincere... he stinks so bad in the decomposition... I know my place.
John is addressing two very different kinds of man/walk.John wasn’t a reformer. The verse is in direct accusative, audience intended present tense. John opens his message up with that in mind.
How is that verse false?
John reiterates the same message in 1 John 1:10
He states it twice... (1 John 1:8-10) ..the repentance is emphasized and encapsulated in between the perpetual need to acknowledge that we still have sin. It is a call to perpetual repentance to be freed from sin.
It is a permanent “Change Of Mind”, that no longer believes in self sufficiency.
How is it false?
My faith is in Jesus Christ... Alone. He supplies all my needs. How much more beautiful than the Lillie’s of the field does He dress me!
In Jesus Alone is my Faith. I have zero confidence in myself,
I exalt the Creator over the Creation.
He is my Rock and Fortress.
I’m not trading the Rock Foundation for Sand!
If you are born again of the Spirit it is not your own power that you walk in. It is the power of God. There is no self-boasting. The problem is, you don't believe in the power of God to cleanse you from ALL SIN. You still don't believe you are free, but who the Son frees, is free indeed.
You are 'mixing your metaphors" by using the 1 Cor 12 verse.Paul also introduced sin, weakness, into the Body of Christ, but the function of the Body is to be the atonement, kaporeth, the sin covering!
Can't you tell Paul is referring to a physical ailment of some sort, and not to sin?2 Corinthians 12
7Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me—to keep me from exalting myself!8Concerning this I implored the Lord three times that it might leave me. 9And He has said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.” Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me.
Why do you believe..."Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." (Rom 6:6)...
But not the next verse..."For he that is dead is freed from sin."? (Rom 6:7)
John is addressing two very different kinds of man/walk.
One is in the light/God, and the other is in darkness/sin.
The verses can only apply to one or the other, but not both.
Do you think God finds fault with exhortations to obey Him perfectly?I’m sorry... I know people and life. I indeed believe in the power of Jesus. There is scripture you walk over and trample when you promote Sinless perfection.
So you too call growth in grace and knowledge "sanctification"?
Scripture doesn't agree with you.
It is written..."By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Heb 10:10)
The "offering of the body of Jesus Christ" has been accomplished. It isn't an ongoing, gradual, program.
It is done and finished...and it sanctifies us when the atoning blood is applied to us.
Then turn from sin permanently.It’s a binary matter. A person either walks by faith or sight. There’s no in between that gets it right. Christ, Alone is my delight. He’s the Morning Star, Bright. Exodus 14:14
I’ve learned to be still and KNOW that HE is GOD.
Do you think God finds fault with exhortations to obey Him perfectly?
Then turn from sin permanently.
Flee servitude to sin.
Grasp on to the One who can keep you from sin.
Believe 1 Cor 10:13..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."
Look for the God given escapes.
Agreed.Read my post again, as its meaning went over your head. We happen to be on the same page regarding this subject, or did you forget that we've already discussed this.
I see in scripture that justification and sanctification are back to back at the moment of being born again of the Spirit.
Where in scripture is it said that justification is the cleansing of sin?Justification is being cleansed of all sin, and at that moment, God sets us apart as a clean vessel (sanctification) for good works. Neither justification, nor sanctification are progressive. What is progressive is developing the divine nature of God which to differentiate from the myth about sanctification, that lie that getting rid of sin is progressive, is called glorification.
I’m sorry... I know people and life. I indeed believe in the power of Jesus. There is scripture you walk over and trample when you promote Sinless perfection.
What verse says justification is "being cleansed of all sin"? That sounds progressive to me.
You notice I have substituted "sanctified", past tense for your "sanctification".
I also substituted "Being justifjustified ied" for "Justification"
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