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Does white privilege exist in the US?

Does white privilege exist in the US?

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Ok but I have a feeling Bill Gates deals with racism much less than the average African American. Just a hunch.
As do those celebrities; just a hunch.
Was he in a position to affect your livelihood?
No.
In my experience, bigotry is not expressed out in the open like that.
White bigotry usually isn't but I've seen plenty of examples of black bigotry expressed that way. Haven't you?
This is basically a large portion of what I have been trying to say this whole time. That is the "privilege" the OP is asking about. I'm sure most white people don't actively try to hold others down. It's just simply higher numbers. That doesn't mean that there aren't 6 million other kinds of privilege. Having educated parents is a great privilege. Being born with high intelligence, charisma, or creativity. Those things will likely get a person much farther than simply having white skin.
As I said before, I can point to countless white privileges, and I can point to countless black privileges. The problem is when people only see the privileges others have without recognizing their own, and then they wanna play the victim.
 
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You're probably right -- perfection is an unattainable goal, but that's no reason not to keep trying.

When one person starts with $100, and the other starts with a penny (which they had to fight to get in the first place), the doubling analogy will never lead to equality, now will it?

...and that's assuming that the $100 guy doesn't occasionally reach over and steal a nickel out of the poorer guy's pile...

This is an argument about poor vs rich, not white vs minority, btw.
 
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Which is not to say that there aren't some legitimate reasons a person's race can be an obstacle...

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The story goes that when the script of Harriet was first written back in 1994, some studio executive floated the idea of casting Julia Roberts in the title role (which eventually went to Cynthia Erivo).

When informed that the historical Harriet Tubman was, in fact, black, the executive responded with "Well... It was so long ago, no one is going to know the difference."

I don't know what race that studio executive was, but it doesn't matter. Idiocy knows no racial boundaries.
And now, instead of floating ideas, history is rewritten in the opposite way, these days.
 
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As do those celebrities; just a hunch.

No.

White bigotry usually isn't but I've seen plenty of examples of black bigotry expressed that way. Haven't you?

As I said before, I can point to countless white privileges, and I can point to countless black privileges. The problem is when people only see the privileges others have without recognizing their own, and then they wanna play the victim.
Countless black privileges? Sure...
 
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These days traditional white roles are now cast as a minority. Fine, I honestly don't mind, I don't even really watch movies anyway. But there is something to be desired to cast roles pertaining to the actual historical accuracy of a character, in my opinion. Its equally as wrong to cast a black historical character as white as it is the opposite. I prefer accuracy rather than fantasy, if that makes sense.
 
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These days traditional white roles are now cast as a minority.

How is that rewriting history?

Fine, I honestly don't mind, I don't even really watch movies anyway.

And yet this has stuck in your craw because...?

But there is something to be desired to cast roles pertaining to the actual historical accuracy of a character, in my opinion. Its equally as wrong to cast a black historical character as white as it is the opposite. I prefer accuracy rather than fantasy, if that makes sense.

I would very much like to know which specific examples, if any, you had in mind.
 
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How is that rewriting history?



And yet this has stuck in your craw because...?



I would very much like to know which specific examples, if any, you had in mind.
When you make a movie that is based on historical events and decide to change things to the point where the word history should be nowhere near it, for dramatization or political correctness or what have you - that is rewriting history. I do not support that. Of course that already actually happens in history books as it is, much moreso in movies and media. I would be annoyed hearing about an actress like Julia Roberts being cast as lead role in Harriet.

What is stuck in my craw? I'm just responding to a post, sharing an opinion of mine that history should be accurate - I don't get what you mean.

Examples of what? Changing the ethnicity of a character? It happens moreso these days than it used to. Like I said, I really don't care. I just would prefer things to remain precise and accurate according to what the media was based on, ie, the historical point of where the movie came from, the source, etc.
 
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Best-Selling Devotional Has Prayer to 'Help Me to Hate White People'
Best-Selling Devotional Has Prayer to 'Help Me to Hate White People'

"While our society has made tremendous progress toward the idea that all men
are created equal, anti-whiteness seems to be all the rage these days.

And that is no less racist than hating anyone of any other color.

"Dear God,

Please help me to hate white people. Or at least to want to hate them. At least,
I want to stop caring about them, individually and collectively. I want to stop
caring about their misguided, racist souls, to stop believing that they can be better,
that they can stop being racist....."

"Lord, if it be your will, harden my heart. Stop me from striving to see the best in people. Stop me from being hopeful that white people can do and be better. Let me imagine them instead as white-hooded robes standing in front of burning crosses.."
 
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When you make a movie that is based on historical events and decide to change things to the point where the word history should be nowhere near it, for dramatization or political correctness or what have you - that is rewriting history. I do not support that. Of course that already actually happens in history books as it is, much moreso in movies and media. I would be annoyed hearing about an actress like Julia Roberts being cast as lead role in Harriet.

What is stuck in my craw? I'm just responding to a post, sharing an opinion of mine that history should be accurate - I don't get what you mean.

Examples of what? Changing the ethnicity of a character? It happens moreso these days than it used to. Like I said, I really don't care. I just would prefer things to remain precise and accurate according to what the media was based on, ie, the historical point of where the movie came from, the source, etc.

I would like an example of a movie based on historical events that changed the ethnicity of a character for political correctness.

If if happens as often as you say, then you should have no difficulty providing at least a few examples in spite of the claim that you don't watch many movies.

Otherwise, it looks like you're making up "problems" to complain about -- and I would hate for anyone to accuse you of such a thing.
 
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White bigotry usually isn't but I've seen plenty of examples of black bigotry expressed that way. Haven't you?
Yes, I've seen things really turn sour when the white kid or young man does not react to them the way they expect he should. It's like they finally got a chance to be in control and they handle it like school children. But any stranger can get victimized in an area they don't know.
As I said before, I can point to countless white privileges, and I can point to countless black privileges. The problem is when people only see the privileges others have without recognizing their own, and then they wanna play the victim.
I just said in another post that there are other privileges also like wealth, educated parents, being born attractive, intelligent, or creative is are all privileges or a religious person may call it a blessing or blessed with such and such attribute. THat attribute alone will not ensure a person's success. Even trust fund children grow up and shame their family name and all that. So there is no one thing that will get you ahead.
 
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And now, instead of floating ideas, history is rewritten in the opposite way, these days.
Please elaborate......What is the opposite of "real" history? Are you talking about history or his-story?
 
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Yes there are countless black privileges; I've pointed some of them out before.
I wouldn't say countless........not as countless as a rich old white man......but there are some. "I got soul.....and I super bad."
 
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Please elaborate......What is the opposite of "real" history? Are you talking about history or his-story?

Indeed -- I'm trying to think of some "politically correct" examples in historically based films.

Goodness knows it's happened the other way around countless times in the past... John Wayne once played Genghis Khan, for cryin' out loud... but that was a different era...
 
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Indeed -- I'm trying to think of some "politically correct" examples in historically based films.
The only one that comes to mind is Hamilton (technically not a film), but I'd say that the decision to make Alexander Hamilton black was more about social commentary than political correctness and Lin Manuel Miranda makes it pretty clear that Hamilton is meant to be historical fiction rather than a documentary. There are also several cases of fictional stories being remade with actors of different races/genders than the originals, but that's different.
 
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The only one that comes to mind is Hamilton (technically not a film), but I'd say that the decision to make Alexander Hamilton black was more about social commentary than political correctness and Lin Manuel Miranda makes it pretty clear that Hamilton is meant to be historical fiction rather than a documentary. There are also several cases of fictional stories being remade with actors of different races/genders than the originals, but that's different.

Indeed -- it's pretty much one of the foundations of creativity to take something and reimagine it in a new and unusual way.

I've seen Shakespeare modernized, I've seen Shakespeare gender-flipped, I've seen Shakespeare transferred to different settings and cultures... I've even seen Shakespeare performed in the nude.

Nobody ever accused any of them of "political correctness."
 
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Yes, I've seen things really turn sour when the white kid or young man does not react to them the way they expect he should. It's like they finally got a chance to be in control and they handle it like school children. But any stranger can get victimized in an area they don't know.
I have no idea what you are talking about here

I just said in another post that there are other privileges also like wealth, educated parents, being born attractive, intelligent, or creative is are all privileges or a religious person may call it a blessing or blessed with such and such attribute. THat attribute alone will not ensure a person's success. Even trust fund children grow up and shame their family name and all that. So there is no one thing that will get you ahead.
Yeah; but we aren’t talking about all those other privileges we’re talking about White privilege. And though on average, white people do have more wealth and education than blacks, you can’t call those white privilege because white privilege is a privilege you get for being white; not rich or educated.
 
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