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i have a question here...what makes a christian decides to be a christian when there is not much proof that what the Bibble says is true? Some says that is because what said in the Bibble is foolproof...but the therory that ghost exists are pretty foolproof too? i dun really like the idea of religion myself...thus, i often wonder what makes religious people so faithful and religious...

the existance of God have yet to been proven,the existance of Adam, Eve, the Great Flood have yet to be 100% proven. Even the existance of Jesus Christ have been doupt. but why fo christians still held such strong faith? isn't science enough?

p.s: does this question fits this tread? or should it belong to somewhere else?
 

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It fits fine here, this is a great place to post it...

Why do we believe what we believe??? I am not sure...I wonder this all the time...why do we believe that the Messiah is really the Messiah? Science has so many faults too...so why believe anything? It all seems so crazy to me....I don't understand science, and I don't understand God...so who should I worship??? A scientist who claims he has discovered the creation or the world or a book that has been compiled over thousands of years and is acurate to the last word? If you were to look at Josh McDowel's books you would see how true the Bible really is...the faults you see aren't false things afterall...but things that we merely don't understand about the history...keep seeking answers, I applaude your search for the truth...that is the most awesome thing you can do...don't ever stop seeking for the truth. I've told you what I think, now think some more and find the answers you seek.
 
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I cannot make myself believe. I can only pray for God. Faith is a gift from God. Because of that it does not matter so much - for me anyhow - that there are things in the Bible that has not been scientifically proved and cannot be proved e.g. that God exists. Nothing can stop me believing in God, because I've not myself 'only' decided:OK - I'll believe.

The world of the faith is something else than this world we see and can examine. And you can get to know it only by entering it. Seek, ask, knock... you'll find, you'll be given, the door will be opened to you.
 
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Hi again ruixiangz.

I hope I can answer your question here. And it is a good question, one which, sadly, most Christians can’t answer themselves. So, here we go.

(One side note: Bible is the correct spelling, not bibble. :) )

ruixiangz said:
i have a question here...what makes a christian decides to be a christian when there is not much proof that what the Bibble says is true?
Actually, there’s a lot of proof that what is told in the bible is true. I’m not going to use the verses in the bible to prove the bible is true. Since you don’t believe it’s true, it wouldn’t do much good, right? What I am going to do is use historical records that coincide with the bible.

Through out history record keeping has been one of the most noble and important jobs. In times past any inaccurate records would end up with the record keeper being put to death, and in some cases his family as well.

We can look at the records of Egypt, Israel, the Roman Empire, and others to see where things match up. For example, looking in the New Testament, we can see the records of Egypt that show when a family of three people moved into the region. The husband/father was noted as being Joseph, a carpenter by trade. He was, in fact, hired by the government to build several things for them, including houses, stables, several doors, and more. The wife/mother was noted as being Mary. Their only child was noted as being Jesus, about 2 years of age at the time. Interestingly enough their arrival matches up with the time Herod had ordered that all male children of the age of two or under be put to death.

Next we can see where the records of the Roman Empire show the leaders of the Jews coming to Pilate to demand something be done about Jesus and his disruptions in the Temple and surrounding area. The reason they went to Pilate is because they, the leaders of the Jews, could not legally do anything. It was their hope that Pilate would do something, but time and again Pilate did nothing because Jesus had not broken any Roman laws.

There are many other examples, but for now this will do to show you there is indeed proof.


ruixiangz said:
Some says that is because what said in the Bibble is foolproof...but the therory that ghost exists are pretty foolproof too? i dun really like the idea of religion myself...thus, i often wonder what makes religious people so faithful and religious.
Well, I can’t speak for anyone but myself, but I don’t believe in religion either. You see, to me religions can be distorted and wrong with their teaching. I prefer, as I have heard others say, to have the RELATIONSHIP with God. By reading His word, and by following His teaching, I won’t be lead astray by someone who is mistaken.

ruixiangz said:
the existance of God have yet to been proven,the existance of Adam, Eve, the Great Flood have yet to be 100% proven. Even the existance of Jesus Christ have been doupt. but why fo christians still held such strong faith? isn't science enough?
You have a valid point here, but then again there is nothing to prove that God does NOT exist either. And the same for Adam and Eve.

However, as for the great flood, there have been thousands of reports done on many different areas of the world that prove there was a massive world wide flood that happened several thousands of years ago. These reports and investigations have taken place all over the world, from Israel to the United States, from Russia to South America. There is more than enough proof to show that the flood did indeed take place.

ruixiangz said:
Even the existance of Jesus Christ have been doupt
Actually, the existence of Jesus is not in question. What is questioned by most people is not that He existed, but WHY He existed. Did he actually die for our sins, as is told in the bible? From my own research, yes, He did indeed. Keep in mind that, like you, I doubted everything I was taught about the bible, and set out to find my own answers. And I did find them.

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but why fo christians still held such strong faith? isn't science enough?
Not really. You see, science has been proven wrong time and again. For example, carbon dating of fossils has been proven to be the most unreliable way of determining the age. A rabbit, still living, was carbon dated to be over 3,000 years old. But a bone that was found in a very deep excavation site was tested to be only seven years old. How can you trust something like that?

At one time science taught that world was flat, not round. It was once proven that traveling the speed of sound could never happen, but yet it is common place today. Blood typing was something that came about after years of study to find out why some people could give blood to one person and not to another.

Science is unreliable because it is always changing. What was once thought of as fact has been proven wrong. What was once thought impossible is now very possible. And new things are developing every day.

But God, He never changes. That is the one thing in which we can truly trust.


ruixiangz said:
p.s: does this question fits this tread? or should it belong to somewhere else?
Yes, it does belong here. And it’s a very good question. I do have a suggestion for you, though. When you write your post, to avoid the spelling errors, write it in a word processing program, like Microsoft Word, and then do a spell check. After that, copy/paste it to where you want to post it. :)

Oh, and just so you know, I will be praying for you directly. Although praying for the world, and being covered by that may seem right, it is far better to bring you individually to God.

NS
 
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ruixiangz said:
i have a question here...what makes a christian decides to be a christian when there is not much proof that what the Bibble says is true?
The only thing that can make us this sure of something that cannot be proven, God. Only God can give us faith. If we have it, it's because He gave it to us. It's not because the Gospel was proven to us. Faith is the product of God divinely working in us to bring us to faith in Him. It is not the product of mentally determining the viability of the Bible's claims. We don't believe because we're smarter. We don't believe because we're more spiritual. We believe because God gave us faith. Those who have been given faith believe. Those who have not, do not. Our faith in God is solely the product of His monergistic, regenerative work in giving us life in His Son.

Believing in God is the natural response of those whom God has graced with faith. Once faith is given, it cannot be removed. It can be denied or rebelled against, but it cannot be removed. Those who believe will assure you that they cannot imagine NOT believing. This, as I said, is the product of God's divine hand in giving us faith in Him.

God bless
 
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I don't think Christianity is a religion. People just call it that because they don't like the idea of God. Christianity is more like a relationship. A relationship between you and God. Now don't go ranting that God is an imaginary figure. He is not. He's as real as you are. The reason we can keep up with our faith is because we have a relationship with God. Think of it like having a divine girlfriend (or boyfriend).
 
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well...my mum and i have a discussion today about religion...generally, i asked her why people belive in religion when none of then have 100% proof of it being real...and both of us agree that most religion are pretty foolproof, so it really depends on oneself weather which you wanna belive in.
for example, when a cup of water evapourates, one religion can explain it by saying the micro organisim in the water drinks it up, while the other religion can say that god has drank it. both are pretty foolproof, but the truth is nowhere near...
i have decided to remain as a free thinker after all, until someone can cuts up the sky and show me heaven, cuts up the heaven and show me God, cuts up God and proof to me that what he said was true...cuts up the earth and show me hell, cuts up hell and show me the devil, cuts up the devil and show me the sin...

hey...this can be a poem!
 
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let me ask you this question (and once you answered it, keep going backwards like geneology). Where did you come from? Yes, I know that this seems very childish, but a very logical question. I know that you will say your mom, but like I said, keep going backwards. Did you get a final answer? The same can be said of all things in this world. Your dog, cat, fish, whatever. It all came from God, and still does to this day. Think about it...

I know that you may have a hard time believing about the great flood, what happened to certain people in the Bible in their lifetimes. We all have. Look at it from a historical point of view if you will, then maybe you will see what some religious people may have seen. You will someday however see and stand before God, rather you believe that or not is entirely up to you. For it is said that "every knee shall bow, every tongue will confess." Romans 14:1

I'll be praying for you along with many others

In His Peace...
 
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I first want to point out that it isn't religion, it is a relationship. A relationship with God. It says that you only have to have faith the size of a mustard seed. Without faith, it is impossible to please God. He will do the rest. If you decide to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, even if your faith is very little, God will show you things through personal experiences, through different circumstances in your life, that you will know it is Him. He wants you to know Him intimately, so He will show Himself to you. And no, you are not insignificant, you are part of the world too.
 
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let me ask you this question (and once you answered it, keep going backwards like geneology). Where did you come from? Yes, I know that this seems very childish, but a very logical question. I know that you will say your mom, but like I said, keep going backwards. Did you get a final answer? The same can be said of all things in this world. Your dog, cat, fish, whatever. It all came from God, and still does to this day. Think about it...

I know that you may have a hard time believing about the great flood, what happened to certain people in the Bible in their lifetimes. We all have. Look at it from a historical point of view if you will, then maybe you will see what some religious people may have seen. You will someday however see and stand before God, rather you believe that or not is entirely up to you. For it is said that "every knee shall bow, every tongue will confess." Romans 14:1

I'll be praying for you along with many others

In His Peace...

lets say God brings me here, then where does God comes from? if he has no beganning, why? because he is always there,t hen why? and from anyone's answer, i can still ask another question...there will be no end to it...
 
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ruixiangz said:
lets say God brings me here, then where does God comes from? if he has no beganning, why? because he is always there,t hen why? and from anyone's answer, i can still ask another question...there will be no end to it...
If all you want to do is ask questions then our answers are of little value to you. I pray that God enlightens you to the Truth of His Word that you may have faith in Him. In the meantime, I ask that my brothers and sisters who have been so greatly, and undeservingly, blessed by our Father pray for you.

God bless
 
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ruixiangz said:
well...my mum and i have a discussion today about religion...generally, i asked her why people belive in religion when none of then have 100% proof of it being real...and both of us agree that most religion are pretty foolproof, so it really depends on oneself weather which you wanna belive in.
for example, when a cup of water evapourates, one religion can explain it by saying the micro organisim in the water drinks it up, while the other religion can say that god has drank it. both are pretty foolproof, but the truth is nowhere near...
i have decided to remain as a free thinker after all, until someone can cuts up the sky and show me heaven, cuts up the heaven and show me God, cuts up God and proof to me that what he said was true...cuts up the earth and show me hell, cuts up hell and show me the devil, cuts up the devil and show me the sin...

hey...this can be a poem!
All I can say to all this proof that you want is.....read the Bible for yourself with an open mind and let God do the rest. There is a reason it is called faith. If nothing else read Luke 11:29-30. I will pray for you. :prayer:
 
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ruixiangz said:
lets say God brings me here, then where does God comes from? if he has no beganning, why? because he is always there,t hen why? and from anyone's answer, i can still ask another question...there will be no end to it...
As God has said, I am the Alpha (the beginning) and the Omega (the end). Also as Reformationist says in his post below, it is faith. It is by faith we walk, it is by faith we trust, it is by faith we learn, it is by faith we live. People are making Christianity harder than it really is because of logic. Sure we all have questions, and none of us, even the best of Bibical scholars has all the answers, But God does. He wants us to seek and question His vast creation, he wants us to enjoy all (sinless) things, and most of all he wants us to love and worship him.

I too will be praying that your (and your mom's) eyes will see and your heart will hear, the glory that God has given you each and every day, in creation and in his word.

In His Peace...
 
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Well, in all honesty, a lot of what is in the Bible can be linked to actual events. I'm a major history person and I did a research thing where I connected all the people in the Bible to all the people in history books, and it all fits together like pieces of a puzzle. As for proof of the miracles that happened, well, I dunno if there is evidence, but that's when it's all faith. I don't need evidence. I have faith. A really popular saying from Jesus to Thomas (the doubter).... You believe because you have seen. Blessed are they who have not seen, yet believe.

You know how when you're a little kid growing up and you always believed in Santa Claus, or the toothfairy, or the easter bunny, or whomever, then you get older and people start to tell you those people don't exist? Well, it was your faith that made you hold on to those people... you didn't question it, you just felt in your heart that those people/creatures did exist... and you didn't need proof. But everyone kept saying, oh, those people don't exist, and you lost your faith. It's kinda like that. I don't need proof that my God, Jesus Christ, existed and did what he did. I have faith. And that is why I believe. Now, I'm not saying Jesus is like Santa, because well, who knows if Santa really does exist (probably not)... but Jesus does. And a lot of people (non-Christians) have tried to take my faith away and say that Jesus does not exist... and that is when it's important to hold on to that faith.

I hope I didn't confuse you........
 
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Nessie said:
You know how when you're a little kid growing up and you always believed in Santa Claus, or the toothfairy, or the easter bunny, or whomever, then you get older and people start to tell you those people don't exist? Well, it was your faith that made you hold on to those people... you didn't question it, you just felt in your heart that those people/creatures did exist... and you didn't need proof. But everyone kept saying, oh, those people don't exist, and you lost your faith. It's kinda like that. I don't need proof that my God, Jesus Christ, existed and did what he did. I have faith. And that is why I believe. Now, I'm not saying Jesus is like Santa, because well, who knows if Santa really does exist (probably not)... but Jesus does..

Actually, that was an example I was going to use.... And can you tell how I was going to use it? But at least you admit it.

To the OP: Pretty much, you are right, you can not prove god. Even if every scientist in the world said they were wholly wrong, it wouldn't prove god... Just remember, just because 1+1 does not equal 4, it doesn't equal 3.
 
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If all you want to do is ask questions then our answers are of little value to you. I pray that God enlightens you to the Truth of His Word that you may have faith in Him. In the meantime, I ask that my brothers and sisters who have been so greatly, and undeservingly, blessed by our Father pray for you.

God bless
why will the question be of little vaule to me? in a science class, does it means that you put all your faith in the teacher and ask no questions? and when the teacher give you the question, does it mean you wun value the answer? juz like in the study of religion, i will look at the answer and ask more questions out of hte answer until i m sastisfied, but that does not means that i will take it htat the answer my teacher give is true...i will ask several time to the same people and to the different people to see if they are false!
 
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So are you saying that if you ask different people their opinion on a question (science, religion, etc.) and you get different answers, then it must be false? That's what I am kind of getting out of it. Just like all teachers have different teaching styles, yet on a same subject, does not necessarily mean they are wrong.

So it is with Christians. We all have "pieces" if you will of the answers to God's great mysteries. The only difference is that we get our answers to life from the Bible. There are also many different types of translations to the Bible, and some may even disagree that any translation other than the King James version is wrong. Being a Christian has sometimes become "divided" if you will, but bottom line is the Bible is black and White (no grey) and is God's Word inspired to a great select few to be written.

I encourage you to keep searching and asking questions, but I highly recommend that you read your Bible more thoroughly. It's also great asking you mom questions, but even she will not have all the answers, and again it is someone else's opinion, not God's Word showing you the truth.

We're praying for you though...

In His Peace
 
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ruixiangz said:
i have a question here...what makes a christian decides to be a christian when there is not much proof that what the Bibble says is true? Some says that is because what said in the Bibble is foolproof...but the therory that ghost exists are pretty foolproof too? i dun really like the idea of religion myself...thus, i often wonder what makes religious people so faithful and religious...

the existance of God have yet to been proven,the existance of Adam, Eve, the Great Flood have yet to be 100% proven. Even the existance of Jesus Christ have been doupt. but why fo christians still held such strong faith? isn't science enough?

p.s: does this question fits this tread? or should it belong to somewhere else?
In truth, a lot of us are Christians because we were born that way. Others converted to Christianity because it seems like a pretty good bag of chips - or cake if you prefer.

Some of us believe that the Bible is literally God's word, and that it is therefore infallible. A lot of us instead believe that the Bible is a human text trying to explain their understanding of God, and is entire fallible with human faults.

There is significant agreement throughout most of the Church, but even then, one could find churches that are complete opposites on many issues.
 
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