Does this offend you?

[DamianWarS]

I agree and say that the whole purpose of whoever designed that was to mock Christianity. I don't for a moment like any images made of Jesus but I really don't get why anyone would find it amusing. What is funny is that you never see things that mock Allah, Buddha, Krishna etc. but there is an obsession about mocking the one true God.
What is funny about what Jesus was to endure for us sinners?

Christians worship and follow one who was born in a lowly position, lived a simple life and who died a humiliated death. This is the same who teaches "For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.” Although I cannot speak for all religions I know that our unique "humbled god" that dies on a cross is puzzling for many and even insulting.

This certainly isn't a cause to defile or misrepresent images of the incarnate God but how should our reaction be toward such things? So we too adopt a position of deference?

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

It's a christmas sweater (??) depicting the last supper with superimposed emojis and a Happy Birthday message. There is a picture (below) of the PM of Canada wearing it and I can't tell if I should be more offended as a Christian or embarrassed as a Canadian?

I vote for embarrassed. He does to way to many things that you should be offend and angered by. Both born on December 25th? That is amazing. Someone probably bought these sweaters as a gag Christmas gift due to their birthdays.

 

[Madmoonsam]

Initially it rubbed me the wrong way but I am queen at desensitizing myself to things so things won't have a major negative impact on me. which is probably a bad thing lol...

 

[brinny]

I agree and say that the whole purpose of whoever designed that was to mock Christianity. I don't for a moment like any images made of Jesus but I really don't get why anyone would find it amusing. What is funny is that you never see things that mock Allah, Buddha, Krishna etc. but there is an obsession about mocking the one true God.
What is funny about what Jesus was to endure for us sinners?

This.

 

[brinny]

Christians worship and follow one who was born in a lowly position, lived a simple life and who died a humiliated death. This is the same who teaches "For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.” Although I cannot speak for all religions I know that our unique "humbled god" that dies on a cross is puzzling for many and even insulting.

This certainly isn't a cause to defile or misrepresent images of the incarnate God but how should our reaction be toward such things? So we too adopt a position of deference?

Jesus "humbled" Himself to die on the cross, shed His blood for us, and to die, for us. He, however, is no longer "humbled", and neither should He, nor what He chose to do for us, be "mocked", and sooooo blatantly and pointedly. He is now at the right hand of the Father. He has risen, and is no longer "humbled", but is the exultant and conquering King of kings. He will be returning. God help those who mocked Him.

"How blessed is the person, who does not take the advice of the wicked, who does not stand on the path with sinners, and who does not sit in the seat of mockers." ~Psalm 1:1

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." ~Galatians 6:7

"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." ~Hebrews 10:31

 

[HannahT]

Can someone point to the true intent of the individuals that wear or buy these shirts - and the maker of these shirts - that show it is to mock, etc.? I don't get that impression.

I find it silly personally. I see people trying to have some fun combining their sharing the Birthday with Christmas.

 

[brinny]

Can someone point to the true intent of the individuals that wear or buy these shirts - and the maker of these shirts - that show it is to mock, etc.? I don't get that impression.

I find it silly personally. I see people trying to have some fun combining their sharing the Birthday with Christmas.

It's not about "us".

Is it?

It's about the living God, and His only begotten Son He sent to die for our sins, and HIS "take" on His only begotten Son being an object of "mockery" in a very pointed and blatant way.

Therefore, what matters is HIS take on it.

Not "ours".

Amen?

In addition, what was stated earlier in this thread about no such "liberty" would be taken equally with "allah" or any of the other objects of worship, is quite glaring.

Hypocrisy at its finest and most sickening.

 

[brinny]

I vote for embarrassed. He does to way to many things that you should be offend and angered by. Both born on December 25th? That is amazing. Someone probably bought these sweaters as a gag Christmas gift due to their birthdays.

What has Jesus Christ's "last supper" got to do with "Christmas"/"Christmas birthdays"?

 

[HannahT]

It's about the living God, and His only begotten Son He sent to die for our sins, and HIS "take" on His only begotten Son being an object of "mockery" in a very pointed and blatant way.

Therefore, what matters is HIS take on it.

Not "ours".

Amen?

Do we know Jesus's take though? Do you know the intent was mockery and not silliness?

God tends to look at the heart of the person.

His TAKE on the matter does count, but we have to show the mockery - not our take that is mockery.

He also has a sense of humor - God.

 

[RDKirk]

If they weren't wimps, they'd offend Muslims. Offending Christians is like giving Forrest Gump a wedgie.

 

[brinny]

If they weren't wimps, they'd offend Muslims. Offending Christians is like giving Forrest Gump a wedgie.

Indeed.

Sickening.

 

[brinny]

Do we know Jesus's take though? Do you know the intent was mockery and not silliness?

God tends to look at the heart of the person.

His TAKE on the matter does count, but we have to show the mockery - not our take that is mockery.

He also has a sense of humor - God.

Read my posts again.

Then post where it says that God would be amused by the mocking of His only begotten Son, at the last supper, right before His dying for us on the cross, and all that occurred before his actual crucifixion.

If i remember correctly, there WAS mocking.

Was there not?

Please, post where the living God was pleased with the mocking.

Thank you kindly.


"He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy." ~Proverbs 29:1

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

it shouldn't..

 

[brinny]

it shouldn't..

Why is that, brother?

Just curious.

Would you care to elaborate?

 

[Phil 1:21]

Does it offend me? Of course not, but it does make me sad for the person creating or wearing it.

 

[HannahT]

Read my posts again.

Then post where it says that God would be amused by the mocking of His only begotten Son, at the last supper, right before His dying for us on the cross, and all that occurred before his actual crucifixion.

If i remember correctly, there WAS mocking.

Was there not?

Please, post where the living God was pleased with the mocking.

Thank you kindly.


"He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy." ~Proverbs 29:1

Show me where you can prove the intent is mocking with this shirt. I don't see the intent there.

You keep claiming its there, but you haven't backed up the intent. I keep asking for that, and no one has answered it.

How can you be SO SURE that wearing this shirt was meant as mocking, or are you just assuming it is?

 

[brinny]

Show me where you can prove the intent is mocking with this shirt. I don't see the intent there.

You keep claiming its there, but you haven't backed up the intent. I keep asking for that, and no one has answered it.

How can you be SO SURE that wearing this shirt was meant as mocking, or are you just assuming it is?

Again, read my posts, and then post where it is written that God finds no offense in this.

And again, it's not about what "me" or "you" deems offensive. It's noy about "us".

It's about GOD and what HE deems "offensive".

Isn't it?


"He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy." ~Proverbs 29:1

 

[HannahT]

Again, read my posts, and then post where it is written that God finds no offense in this.

And again, it's not about what "me" or "you" deems offensive. It's noy about "us".

It's about GOD and what HE deems "offensive".

Isn't it?


"He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy." ~Proverbs 29:1

Where did God DEEM this shirt offensive? I think you are putting the cart before the horse.

Right back at you - post where it is written that God finds offense towards this shirt?

You are the one claiming he finds it offensive - not me.

God can see the people's hearts on the matter. We don't always see that. We just assume we do. You see mocking, and I find someone being silly. There is a huge divide between the two. I don't believe the parties used intent to harm, offend, etc. I personally wouldn't wear it because I find it ugly and dumb..lol! Yet, I can't assume they meant it as mocking.

 

[brinny]

Where did God DEEM this shirt offensive? I think you are putting the cart before the horse.

Right back at you - post where it is written that God finds offense towards this shirt?

You are the one claiming he finds it offensive - not me.

God can see the people's hearts on the matter. We don't always see that. We just assume we do. You see mocking, and I find someone being silly. There is a huge divide between the two. I don't believe the parties used intent to harm, offend, etc. I personally wouldn't wear it because I find it ugly and dumb..lol! Yet, I can't assume they meant it as mocking.

Hannah, i consider you a dear sister in Christ, although i don't always agree with you, but i more often than not, do. I believe here is where we just agree to disagree, sis.

God bless you and a very blessed New Year to you.

 

[DamianWarS]

Jesus "humbled" Himself to die on the cross, shed His blood for us, and to die, for us. He, however, is no longer "humbled", and neither should He, nor what He chose to do for us, be "mocked", and sooooo blatantly and pointedly. He is now at the right hand of the Father. He has risen, and is no longer "humbled", but is the exultant and conquering King of kings. He will be returning. God help those who mocked Him.

"How blessed is the person, who does not take the advice of the wicked, who does not stand on the path with sinners, and who does not sit in the seat of mockers." ~Psalm 1:1

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." ~Galatians 6:7

"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." ~Hebrews 10:31

i think the question here is if putting a happy face over Jesus is in fact a mockery, or, rephrased, if making lite a traditional image with emojis a mockery.

the shirt is made by a company called "Shelfies" and on their website they described their company saying "Shelfies is an all-over-print clothing brand featuring outrageous photorealistic sweaters, tees, hoodies, onesies, socks, leggings and more designed to make you smile."

They also feature a number of designs featuring Trudeau himself in this "make you smile" philosophy such as these sweaters:

this doesn't redeem the emoji last supper but perhaps it reveals it with a different spirit. they also have other products that depict Jesus​

it's up to you if you think these images are offensive. For Sloth Jesus the description is "...And on the 234th day, God said, "Make that sentient pile of moss into the saviour of all humanity." And thus, Sloth Jesus was born, and the world was good again."