Does the world hate us because of Jesus or because of the way we treat them?

[razzelflabben]

You realize that Christ preached a lot more about hell (A LOT MORE) than about heaven , right ?
And much much more strongly that most preachers today anywhere.

He also healed people, as did the disciples He sent out .

Today, seek those who are preaching the Truth (if you can find them)
and without show and without compromise are healing people and casting out demons.
Same as in the NT.
"HEALING" may be a key to search for - spiritual, mental and physical.
If they are not HEALING , they are not likely in Christ.(Yhwh knows; it may just not be time, or not obvious from the outside looking in)

actually He taught a lot more about life (spiritual life) and righteousness than either heaven or hell.

 

[ken777]

There is a balance between these two instructions:

"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. (Matthew 5:16)

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." (Ephesians 5:11)

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

There is a balance between these two instructions:

"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. (Matthew 5:16)

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." (Ephesians 5:11)

I don't see those mixing at all.

 

[ken777]

I don't see those mixing at all.

Perhaps I should have used the word 'reconcile' - we are called to do both. Some seem to feel that love prevents one from carrying out Ephesians 5:11.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Perhaps I should have used the word 'reconcile' - we are called to do both. Some seem to feel that love prevents one from carrying out Ephesians 5:11.

Really? Actually, love requires Ephesians 5:11

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

I'd advise brothers and sisters in Christ not to let Benjamin L. Corey paint us as hated by the whole world. That's the first thing I think we can do in order to refute what he claims about the faith he claims to belong to.

Why defend against something that is in a man's own imagination? The world hates us?
Maybe he hates us. Just a thought.

 

[Radrook]

People have always been prone to accuse others of disliking them for trivial reasons when the reasons are far from trivial. It serves as an excuse to remain as they are and avoid making the drastic, necessary personality changes.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

People have always been prone to accuse others of disliking them for trivial reasons when the reasons are far from trivial. It serves as an excuse to remain as they are and avoid making the drastic, necessary personality changes.

We're talking about a supposed Christian with humanist leanings indicting the whole world of non-Christians as haters of the world's Christians.

An immoral world view will always rebel against any call for containment or redemption. The immoral hate the call to repeal immorality. And they hate those who champion the call to amend fallen ways.

That is certainly not a trivial fracture in the worlds stage but it is none the less the crux of what is at issue here.

Just because it feels good doesn't mean do it. Just because it is consensual doesn't mean it is acceptable.
The intolerance, bigotry, and hatred on display from the world stage unto the local communities is that which is directed by those offensive non-Christians toward Christians.

Which is why an author that asks a question, does the world hate us because.... is neither Christian nor righteous in my view. An ultra-liberal platform erected from a humanist perspective is counter intuitive to the doctrine of righteousness and grace.
He's arrived at an educational standpoint that allows him to betray everything in the Bible. He's a shame.Not right.

 

[Emmy]

Dear chandraclaws. There might be people who hate us because we love Jesus, but it should not stop us from loving Jesus and following His Commandments. In Matthew 22: 35-40: Jesus tells us: " The first and great Commandment
is: Love God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second is like it: love thy neighbour as thyself." In verse 40 we are told: " On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." God is Love, and God wants loving sons and daughters. Love is very catching and love will overcome all envy and strife.
In Matthew 7: 7-10: we are told: " Ask and you shall receive," we ask for love and thank God, then we share all love and joy with our neighbour. We keep asking for love and joy, then thank God and share all love and joy with our neighbour. ( neighbour is all we meet and all we know, friends and not friends)
The Bible tells us: " Repent and be Born Again," we stop being selfish and unloving, and start be like God wants us to be. The Holy Spirit will help and guide us, and Jesus our Saviour will lead us all the way: JESUS IS THE WAY.
We will enjoy doing what God wants us to do, and God will approve and Bless us. We might stumble and forget at times, but then we ask God to forgive us and carry on behaving like loved sons and daughters. Life will be enjoyable, and Jesus will keep leading us all the way. It is a bit strange at first, but soon we will live and love as God our Heavenly Father wants us to be. I say this with love, chandraclaws. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.

 

[Freedom Now]

The Lord Jesus said: "The world cannot hate you; but me it hates, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil." (John 7.7)

Maybe you should include verse 5, so we would know who Jesus is addressing....

For even His brothers did not believe in Him....


Those that do not believe cannot be hated by the world as they are of the world.


If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you.

If you were of the world, the world would love its own, but because you are not of the world,

but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.......



If you are a disciple of Christ, and walk as He walked, and testify that the works of the

world are evil, as Christ did, you will be hated by the world.


Do not love or cherish the world or the things that are in the world.

If any one loves the world, love for the Father is not in him.

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, craving for sensual gratification...

and the lust of the eyes, greedy longings of the mind...

and the pride of life, assurance in one's own resources or in the stability of earthly things...

these do not come from the Father but are from the world itself.


....but he who does the will of God and carries out HIS purposes in his life abides forever.

 

[Tull]

People like people who say and do the things they like,this is yet another attempt condemn those who do say the things people want to hear and make them as comfortable as they want to be.

 

[SolomonVII]

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/formerlyfundie/please-stop-blaming-your-obnoxious-behavior-on-jesus/?

"Ultimately, many Christians end up hated - not because of Jesus - but because we are too often jerks and completely unwilling to look at our own behavior."

Please give an example of a prominent, well known Christian who is a complete unreflective jerk like the ones you describe.

 

[SolomonVII]

In general, what the world hates about Christianity is what the world has always hated about Jews. In the old religions, correct sacrafices and ritual was all that was necessary in man's interaction with the other world. Nobody expected anyone to treat their neighbours fairly or keep their pants zipped up. All that the pharoahs et al had to do was to offer the proper ritual and incantation and the gods would bestow their favors. The gods neither gave love, nor expected it in return. It is love that introduces the idea of morality into the world.
Jews introduced to the world the idea of an ethical God who expects people to act ethically and according to a moral code that is not often amenable to the indulging in the pleasures that we all like. That is what a personal relationship with God entails.
People didn't like that about the Jews, and they don't like that about Christians either. Yea, sure, lots of Christians are not all that ethical either, and the world especially delights in this. It gives the world great pleasure to point out where Christians fail, and let's face it, we all do. We are all sinners, some more than others.
But the recurring theme has always been to 'stop shoving your morality in our faces'. People do not want to be reminded that our creation is a moral creation and that our world operates on moral principles. People want to live according to their own desires, and Christianity preaches a contrary message.
Sure, people love to hate Christians who are publicly shamed by their sins, and whose sins reveal them as jerks. But they will hate Christians who are exemplary even more. Just look at how Christopher Hitchens slurred Mother Teresa. It really pricks people's consciences to see people walking in the footsteps of Christ because it reminds them that we have all been created as moral beings.
That will always be at the core of why the world does not like Christians.

 

[Tull]

Perhaps its the Christians everybody seems to like and approve of who should examine themselves for the reasons why,hating Christians has been done to death.

 

[Aldebaran]

Please give an example of a prominent, well known Christian who is a complete unreflective jerk like the ones you describe.

You could just read posts by the OP to find some posts that make us look that way. Click the link and then click "postings" to see what I mean. So much ugliness and contempt. http://www.christianforums.com/members/chandraclaws.377090/

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

In general, what the world hates about Christianity is what the world has always hated about Jews. In the old religions, correct sacrafices and ritual was all that was necessary in man's interaction with the other world. Nobody expected anyone to treat their neighbours fairly or keep their pants zipped up. All that the pharoahs et al had to do was to offer the proper ritual and incantation and the gods would bestow their favors. The gods neither gave love, nor expected it in return. It is love that introduces the idea of morality into the world.
Jews introduced to the world the idea of an ethical God who expects people to act ethically and according to a moral code that is not often amenable to the indulging in the pleasures that we all like. That is what a personal relationship with God entails.
People didn't like that about the Jews, and they don't like that about Christians either. Yea, sure, lots of Christians are not all that ethical either, and the world especially delights in this. It gives the world great pleasure to point out where Christians fail, and let's face it, we all do. We are all sinners, some more than others.
But the recurring theme has always been to 'stop shoving your morality in our faces'. People do not want to be reminded that our creation is a moral creation and that our world operates on moral principles. People want to live according to their own desires, and Christianity preaches a contrary message.
Sure, people love to hate Christians who are publicly shamed by their sins, and whose sins reveal them as jerks. But they will hate Christians who are exemplary even more. Just look at how Christopher Hitchens slurred Mother Teresa. It really pricks people's consciences to see people walking in the footsteps of Christ because it reminds them that we have all been created as moral beings.
That will always be at the core of why the world does not like Christians.

Maybe the Patheos humanist author would do better in acquiring followers if he'd have bothered to read the Bible. Jesus said the world would hate us as they hated him. If the world hates us we're doing something right.

 

[SolomonVII]

Maybe the Patheos humanist author would do better in acquiring followers if he'd have bothered to read the Bible. Jesus said the world would hate us as they hated him. If the world hates us we're doing something right.

I find the Patheos article too vague. I also question the way the author uses the faux mea culpa of referring to the obnoxiousness of Christians using the "we" pronoun when for all appearances what s/he is really meaning is 'you Christians'.
If the author had been able to give one concrete example of how s/he personally was being a jerk, then the attitude of repentance and soul searching involved in using the 'we' pronoun would have been more believable.

 

[Tull]

Why don't the cool ever so with it hipsters come on and explain why they are so popular and exempt from any criticism that those who call for biblical morality endure every day

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

And I thought no oneelse noticed that.

 

[Tull]

The world loves its own and its own seeks to be loved by it.