Does the Roman Church focus on Peter too much

[ScottBot]

Simply saying it doesn't make it true.

That sword cuts both ways.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That sword cuts both ways.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

reve 6:4 And came out another horse, firery red, and to the one sitting upon it/him was given to him/it to be taking the Peace out of the land and that one another they shall be slaying and was given to him a Sword/macaira <3162> , Great.

Revelation 1:16 And having in the right of Him, hand, stars, seven. And out of the mouth/stomatoV <4750> of Him, a sword/romfaia <4501>, two-mouthed/distomoV <1366> sharp. And the countenance of Him as the sun is appearing in the power of it.

 

[Uphill Battle]

That sword cuts both ways.

three ways actually. The one on one side, the one on the other.. and the collateral damage of those watching.

 

[ScottBot]

I was thinking more along the lines of:

[bible]hebrews 4:12[/bible]

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I was thinking more along the lines of:

[bible]hebrews 4:12[/bible]

Did ya notice the word for sword in Hebrew 4 is also used in Revelation 6

http://www.scripture4all.org/

[Tex-Rec] Hebrews 4:12 For living the Word of the God/YHWH and in-working and cuts-more over every sword/macairan <3162>, two-mouthed, and thru-reaching until dividing of soul besides and spirit of joints besides, and of marrows and judge of inner-thoughts and of minds of hearts.

reve 6:4 And came out another horse, firery red, and to the one sitting upon it/him was given to him/it to be taking the Peace out of the land and that one another they shall be slaying and was given to him a Sword/macaira <3162>, Great.

 

[ScottBot]

I didn't know Jesus did the macaraina.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I didn't know Jesus did the macaraina.

How about the "romfaia"

Revelation 1:16 And having in the right of Him, hand, stars, seven. And out of the mouth/stomatoV <4750> of Him, a sword/romfaia <4501>, two-mouthed/distomoV <1366> sharp. And the countenance of Him as the sun is appearing in the power of it.

 

[Rick Otto]

I used to worship Sheryl Crowe.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

The Gospel focuses more on Peter than any other apostle.

 

[Rick Otto]

The Gospel focuses more on Peter than any other apostle.

Point taken.
But, to what end?
The focus on him is not all positive.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Point taken.
But, to what end?
The focus on him is not all positive.

Peter isn't perfect. But he was the head apostle and the object of the most attention in the Gospel. In the final Gospel, John, his leadership role is made very apparent.

He's buried in Vatican hill where his successors have remained for 2000 years- feeding Christ's sheep and was commanded.

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=SpiritualAntiseptic;Peter isn't perfect. But he was the head apostle and the object of the most attention in the Gospel.

Whaddayamean, "the head apostle"?
Is there gonna be a "head disciple", and a "head-whatever else? How many heads does this Body of Christ have? Couldn't the role of Peter be seen with a little more clarity of distinction between Christ as the head & maybe Peter as the say, the neck from the chin down to the Adam's apple, & Paul being equaly a portion of neck from there down to the collarbone? I mean the book of Romans is some heavy potatoes, never mind how many times Peter has something stupid to say or do. So quality can trump quantity, but more important is to see how they work together, the weaknesses of each being the strength of God.
2Co 12:9 - Show Context And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.


In the final Gospel, John, his leadership role is made very apparent.

He's buried in Vatican hill where his successors have remained for 2000 years- feeding Christ's sheep and was commanded.

I'm not convinced of that on archeological grounds, and on common sense, it doesn't wash.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Whaddayamean, "the head apostle"?
Is there gonna be a "head disciple", and a "head-whatever else? How many heads does this Body of Christ have? Couldn't the role of Peter be seen with a little more clarity of distinction between Christ as the head & maybe Peter as the say, the neck from the chin down to the Adam's apple, & Paul being equaly a portion of neck from there down to the collarbone? I mean the book of Romans is some heavy potatoes, never mind how many times Peter has something stupid to say or do. So quality can trump quantity, but more important is to see how they work together, the weaknesses of each being the strength of God.

He's the head apostles- which is why the dialogue is there in John 21.

You can't really make an argument against it by making non-sensical statements about the Body of Christ.

All of the men were weak. That doesn't matter- because all 12 apostles couldn't make a Jesus, or a perfect man. They'd still come up short. That's why they have the Holy Spirit.

 

[Theophorus]

I'm just curious, why did Paul go to Rome? What business did he have writing an epistle to them? and who is James anyway in Jerusalem?

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Who are you asking?

 

[ScottBot]

I'm just curious, why did Paul go to Rome? What business did he have writing an epistle to them? and who is James anyway in Jerusalem?

Paul went to Rome by King Agrippa and Festus to stand trial before Caesar, because Paul had appealled his case to Rome as was his right as a Roman citizen.

[bible]acts 25:13-27[/bible]

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=SpiritualAntiseptic;He's the head apostles- which is why the dialogue is there in John 21.

That dialogue does not establish leadership.

You can't really make an argument against it by making non-sensical statements about the Body of Christ.

...And I don't, but that seems to be how you've constructed Peter's leadership role - nonsensicaly from Jesus' 3 repetitions of "Do you love me, feed my sheep".
It evokes a memory of Peter's thrice denial and serves as an admonishment, not an appointment to a position of power.

All of the men were weak. That doesn't matter- because all 12 apostles couldn't make a Jesus, or a perfect man. They'd still come up short. That's why they have the Holy Spirit.

Exactly. And because they all have The Holy Spirit, they don't need a Pope.

Look at how Jesus' 3 time "Do you love Me" is contrasted in the final verses:
20: Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? 21: Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
[should he also feed your sheep?]
22: Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
[It ain't your business what the head of The Church would have him to do, because you are not to be followed or following each other, I am the one who sets the example & whom you should all follow.]
23: Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
[Apostolic traditions can be vain imagination based on simple, yet profound misunderstandings, and invariably we see them form around issues of apostolic power:
Luke 9:46 Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest. 47 And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him, 48 And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great. 49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. 50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

 

[Catholic Christian]

So do the Muslims and Jews. What does that prove ...

It proves you give goofy replies to posts

 

[mont974x4]

The Gospel focuses more on Peter than any other apostle.

Funny, I thought the entirety of Scripture was focused on Christ.

 

[ScottBot]

Funny, I thought the entirety of Scripture was focused on Christ.

The Gospel focuses more on Peter than any other apostle.

I didn't know Christ was an apostle.