Does the resurrected Christ have a body?

[newyorksaint]

God also appear before Abraham and eat lunch with him and yet the scriptures say God is Spirit. So God who is Spirit can as spirited being can do is manifest themselves in physical form for a short peroid of time to accomplish God's will as Jesus did in Luke 24.

How about being physically perfect, and being able to escape the normal laws of physicallity, and accomplish God's will as spirit?

 

[Hidden Manna]

How about being physically perfect, and being able to escape the normal laws of physicallity, and accomplish God's will as spirit?

Whatever you desire to believe. I'm not here to hagal over every wording. If you want to think God is physical first then spirit go ahead.

 

[4Pillars]

Yes, Christ/YHWH, the Son of the unknown (name) invisible God Father, has a glorified "physical body" even before the world was!!!

The brightness of his glory (a physical aspect) in the beginning serves as the True Light that shinneth in heaven in the beginning and during the Genesis.

No man hath seen the invisible God Father at any time. The Scriptures document us that YHWH, the Son of the invisible God, hath appeared unto Abraham and unto many other believers in the Old Testament, physically.

Christ is YHWH himself of the OT, the Son of the invisible God.

 

[Hidden Manna]

Yes, Christ/YHWH, the Son of the unknown (name) invisible God Father, has a glorified "physical body" even before the world was!!!

The brightness of his glory (a physical aspect) in the beginning serves as the True Light that shinneth in heaven in the beginning and during the Genesis.

No man hath seen the invisible God Father at any time. The Scriptures document us that YHWH, the Son of the invisible God, hath appeared unto Abraham and unto many other believers in the Old Testament, physically.

Christ is YHWH himself of the OT, the Son of the invisible God.

Do you believe that Christ was and always was physical until he was made a life-giving Spirit after His ascention.

Or do you believe as I do that God was a spirited being who could manifest in physical until He became born of a women and was God manifested in flesh, then after Christ ascention He became a life-giving Spirit.

Seems to me that you are saying Christ was and always will be in physical form which I never have hear anyone say this before.

How does this verse fit into your new way of thinking.

2 Cor 5:16
Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know [Him thus] no longer.

 

[4Pillars]

No! Let me explain further.

Christ/YHWH, the Son of God, was at the bosom of his invisible God Father - who is a Spirit - in the beginning or from everlasting. Therefore, both were Spiritual Beings.

The Son was brought forth into his separate existense from the invisible realm of his Father (into this physical world) when God spoke the "WORD" in the beginning and said, "LET THERE BE LIGHT" (Gen. 1:3).

The Word (Light) was spoken before our heaven and earth were created and made.

Without the Son (Light), there was NOT anything made that was made.

In the beginning was the WORD (Light), and the WORD was with God, and the WORD was God. John 1:1

 

[Hidden Manna]

No! Let me explain further.

Christ/YHWH, the Son of God, was at the bosom of his invisible God Father - who is a Spirit - in the beginning or from everlasting. Therefore, both were Spiritual Beings.

The Son was brought forth into his separate existense from the invisible realm of his Father (into this physical world) when God spoke the "WORD" in the beginning and said, "LET THERE BE LIGHT" (Gen. 1:3).

The Word (Light) was spoken before our heaven and earth were created and made.

Without the Son (Light), there was NOT anything made that was made.

In the beginning was the WORD (Light), and the WORD was with God, and the WORD was God. John 1:1

Now your making sense to me and I agree with what you just said.

 

[4Pillars]

That was Jesus himself, the Son of the invisible God. No man hath seen God at anytime who is a Spirit.

John 8
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

 

[mark53]

To say that God and Jesus has a physical body and that resurrection entails a physical one is pushing it a bit.
Firstly, in those days believing in a flat earth enabled pysical bodies on earth, below the earth and above the earth (heaven). Telescopes have not seen any floating bodies up there. This view would also deny God as being everywhere as a physical body can't be.
Secondly, What is resurrection? Can't it be a spiritual one?!

 

[drmmjr]

To say that God and Jesus has a physical body and that resurrection entails a physical one is pushing it a bit.
Firstly, in those days believing in a flat earth enabled pysical bodies on earth, below the earth and above the earth (heaven). Telescopes have not seen any floating bodies up there. This view would also deny God as being everywhere as a physical body can't be.
Secondly, What is resurrection? Can't it be a spiritual one?!

You ask "What is resurrection?" Looking at the definition, we see that resurrect means:

To bring back to life, raise from the dead.
Cause to become alive again.
Restore from a depressed, inactive, or unused state.
Return from the dead.

With this knowledge, we see that the resurrection is a physical event.

 

[Hidden Manna]

To say that God and Jesus has a physical body and that resurrection entails a physical one is pushing it a bit.
Firstly, in those days believing in a flat earth enabled pysical bodies on earth, below the earth and above the earth (heaven). Telescopes have not seen any floating bodies up there. This view would also deny God as being everywhere as a physical body can't be.
Secondly, What is resurrection? Can't it be a spiritual one?!

Resurrection of the Dead

This is where hyper-literalism leads us. It turns scripture into a jumbled mass of contradictions. Four resurrections!

Let’s just start with the Old Testament. Remember, you must make your theory jive both with the old and new testaments. You will not find four resurrections in the Old Testament, only one. Moreover, you do not see the Messiah bring two different kingdoms separated by thousands of years. He only brings one, and He does it all at once.

The futuristic view has a 2000 year gap between kingdoms, resurrections, comings of the Lord, etc. anywhere in the Bible? The time statements of the Bible alone destroy the futuristic view arguments flat out. However that is not it’s only problem.

It is futurist interpretations like this that cause so many Jews and Muslims to reject Christianity. They know the Bible as well as we do. They can plainly see that there is only one kingdom one resurrection etc. They can also plainly see that the scriptures show the Messiah accomplishing his mission in a short period of time. This has always been Jewish thinking on the matter. Consequently, they reject Jesus as Messiah because He did not get the job done and it is futurist eschatology that causes them to do so.

The Old Testament prophets are not the only ones that futuristic hermeneutic contradicts. He makes Paul look like a very confused individual who is constantly changing his mind and contradicting himself.

I really can’t cover all full preterists have to say about Paul’s view of the resurrection in a few paragraphs. I would highly recommend Sam Frost’s book, “Exegetical Essays on the Resurrection of the Dead.” It is excellent on the subject.

Let’s just look at a few passages.

For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. For he who has died has been freed from sin. Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 6:5-11)

The futurist argue that there is a spiritual resurrection for the believer then a future physical bodily resurrection. Here in Romans six Paul says that in that day they had already been united with Christ in the likeness of His death and they would someday be united with Him in the likeness of His resurrection. Therefore, since this is a future event, according to a futuristic view, this must be physical bodily resurrection Paul is talking about.

Notice how Paul says that the body of sin had been done away with already. This is obviously not the physical body. It is something spiritual. Yet, if dying with Christ has nothing to do with actually getting on the cross and dying physically, how can Paul be talking about a future bodily resurrection? Moreover, look at Paul’s emphasis on the nature of the resurrection in verses 9-11. Being united with Christ in the likeness of His death was about escaping the dominion of sin. Being united with Christ in the likeness of His resurrection is about being alive to God. Paul ends this passage, not by saying, consider your bodies as already out of the casket. He says consider your self already alive to God. Thus, even then they were participating in an event that was already but not yet.

I Corinthians 15, is a chapter that most futurists consider a slam dunk for their interpretation. However, on the contrary, a careful examination of this passage and a little knowledge of Greek, show otherwise. In fact, Paul looks like one confused fellow if we try to force the futurist interpretation of I Cor. 15.

Even the most ardent futurist will admit that the verb tenses Paul uses in I Cor. 15 are very puzzling. Paul explains that the defeat of death and the resurrection of the dead was something already in progress in his day. If he is talking about “physical” bodily resurrection, how could this be so? Were people living longer? Rising half way out of there tombs?

For example in verses 15-16 the verbs Paul uses are present passive indicatives. This passage could therefore be translated:
…if in fact the dead are not rising. For if the dead are not rising, then Christ has not risen.

Likewise in verse 26 we see death being destroyed. In verse 35 Paul asks how the dead are being raised. (Note also here Paul uses a singular noun. Not in what bodies do they come but body. Then he does not say, in what body do we come, but in what body do they come. Why?) Paul also uses the present passive indicative tense in his seed analogy in this passage. Moreover, verse 57 should read that Christ is giving us victory. If physical death is the topic here, how could Christ be giving them victory? Were their bodies getting just a little glorified?

I Cor 15 actually makes much more sense when we take the covenantal corporate approach to its interpretation. The body here is not singular but corporate. It is not physical but spiritual. They were putting off the body of sin—the same one Paul talks about in Romans six. That corporate body was tied to the old covenant and while in that body they were dead to God. They were putting on the Body of Christ. In that body we are alive to God and freed from the power of sin and death.

If Paul is talking about bodily resurrection here, why does he in verse 46 say the natural comes first then the spiritual? If there is a spiritual resurrection followed by a physical bodily resurrection shouldn’t it be the other way around?

Then there is the problem that I Cor. 15 disagrees with II Cor 5 and other passages. If we take the futurist bodily view of the resurrection, we see some serious contradictions in Paul’s eschatology concerning the timing of the resurrection. In I Cor 15 the resurrection occurs at the Parousia. In I Cor 5 it occurs at the death of the individual believer. Which is it? Some scholars even suggest Paul changed his mind between these two letters!

So we see that the idea of many resurrections makes a mess of the scriptures. It disagrees not only with the Old Testament eschatology but it also makes Paul look a bit foolish and confused.

 

[Havahope]

The topic of which I am planning may diverse into multiple topics (all relating to the same)... but just for starters:

Does the resurrected Christ have a physical body?




Please explain to me the 'Christian' (and I use the word loosely... because it is a very loose one!!) teaching on this doctrine.

Thanx.

If you mean "physical" as in "flesh and blood", no, I don't believe that He does. I believe that He left His physical body when He ascended "up where He was before".

John 6: 62. " What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

63. It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

1Cor. 15: 47. " The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."

1John 3: 2. "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

John 3:6. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

 

[Ran77]

I would like to repost something I submitted, that I feel fits into this discussion. It is long and will be posted in two parts.

1 Corinthians 15: 12-58
12. Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

13. But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

14. And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

16. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

17. And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

18. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

19. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

20. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

24. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

29. Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

30. And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?

31. I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

32. If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.

33. Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.

34. Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
35. But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? And with what body to they come?
36. Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

37. And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

38. But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

39. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

40. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

41. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

42. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43. It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

This is a great chapter. It is an entire chapter on resurrection and gives us our greatest insights about the topic that we can gain from the bible.

Verse 12 discusses Christ being risen from the dead. It is an event witnessed by the apostles – not the actual raising, but His risen form afterwards. It demonstrates the importance of that event; the apostles would than be able to point to it as confirmation to the whole plan of salvation. They saw, and felt, Christ’s risen body. And as Christ is risen we all can hope for the same. And in showing us His physical body He has revealed the form that we can expect when we are resurrected – an immortal physical body.

Verse 18 discusses those who have fallen asleep in Christ. Further evidence that this chapter is speaking of physical death and the rescue from it by the resurrection. Sleep is widely used to refer to physical death. Whereas, the spiritual death is always referred to as death.

In verses 21 and 22 we return to the subject that through man (Adam) all men will die, and through man (Christ) all men will be made alive. This provides, in my opinion, the strongest evidence that we are speaking of physical death and our rescue (salvation) from it. Very simply, all men will not live in the presence of God; which is what would be required to be made spiritually alive again. Sinners will have spiritual death (the second death). All of that is contrary to what the verses say – which is that all men will be made alive again. Obviously, in a chapter about resurrection, this is speaking of physical life.

In verse 26 is speaks about death being the last enemy to be conquered. If this were spiritual death (the second death) then no one would suffer it. Not to mention, again, that this is a chapter about the resurrection and physical death and, in context, that is the form of death that will be conquered as the last enemy of Christ.

It has been suggested by some, that the spirit will gain a body in the resurrection only to have it slowly destroyed in the lake of fire. If death is conquered, as the verse says it will be, then that would be impossible.

In verse 35 it begins to explore the kind of body we can expect to inhabit after the resurrection. Again, physical death being the separation of the spirit from the body. It also ties the phrase “raised up” specifically to being resurrected.

Verse 39 attaches the word flesh to the type of bodies that God will give us (as it pleaseth Him). Just as Christ had a body of flesh when He had risen and stood before the apostles.

Verses 40 and 41 explain how the bodies will be like the ones we have now, but vary in their glory. Of course, that is part of another discussion so I won’t go any further into it here.

In verses 42 and 43 the differences between our mortal bodies and our raised bodies is given. After the resurrection they will be: incorruptible, glorified, and powerful.

 

[Ran77]

Here is the second part:

44. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56. The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Verses 44-49 discuss natural bodies and spiritual bodies. I would guess that you would attempt to defend your position by stating that in the resurrection that spiritual bodies equates with being spirits without physical bodies, but I believe that would be a misread of the text. Verse 47 talks about the first man being of the Earth and the second man being of heaven. Can we be men without bodies – wouldn’t we then be spirits? It indicates that we can expect a different kind of body, perhaps one not subject to the temptations of our mortal shells. Man of Earth to man of Heaven; there is a correlation being drawn here. Our bodies will mirror our existence. Corrupt and weak bodies are our lot in this existence because of the corrupt and weak nature of it. In heaven, the immortal and glorious existence there will be reflected in our new bodies.

Verse 51 explains that some men will change in a twinkling of an eye. They will die and be resurrected instantly.

In verses 53 through 56 it talks about immortality and how it relates to the conquering of death. Specifically I draw attention to the phrase “O death where is thy sting.” There is no sting of physical death because the resurrection rescues us from the separation of our spirits from our physical bodies. This comment is placed after all men will have received the resurrection. If it were to apply to spiritual death then it would mock the judgment that will take place and the very real death that it represents.

When it talks about the mortal putting on immortality we are talking specifically about a physical aspect. Our spirits are already immortal it is only our frail Earthly bodies that are not. The verse is talking about that portion of us which can die being made so that it no longer can do so. Immortality as opposed to Eternal Life (which is life with God). Immortality through resurrection, made possible by Christ rising from the dead (the body of Christ in the sacrament) is the message of physical salvation.

 

[Hidden Manna]

If you mean "physical" as in "flesh and blood", no, I don't believe that He does. I believe that He left His physical body when He ascended "up where He was before".

John 6: 62. " What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

63. It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

1Cor. 15: 47. " The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."

1John 3: 2. "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

John 3:6. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

Good post Havahope, I agree.

What is the Bodily Resurrection

Paul’s use of ‘body’ in 2Cor 5 passage has nothing to do with an individual’s personal being after death - then or now, but everything to do with that ‘corporate body’ of the old covenant from which they in the “this generation” were in the process of coming out of. Theirs was a resurrection like unto Christ’s – a coming up out of from among the dead [Act 26:23] i.e., out of old covenant Israel. They, the first-fruits ‘body’ were the new or restored Israel, being refashioned in the likeness of their master; they were the first-fruits of, and thus on behalf of the whole harvest – the whole harvest being historic Israel of the OC. Israel’s redemption came through Christ “the” first-fruit, this reconciliation being administered through His first-fruits elect [2Cor 5:19-20], this in turn brought redemption to the whole world – Israel was a means to an end, the restoration of man to God.

Paul using clear OC language said:
2Cor 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

Paul’s “mortality” or fleshliness was in relation to that of the limitations of the OC in regards to receiving the promised redemption, in which they were in transition from, to the full life of redemption in the NC through Christ. Jesus was one born under the OC to redeem those of the OC to bring them from child-hood to “son-ship” [Gal 4:1-4]. He died in and to the body of the OC, and so fulfilled its requirements – that was the “body” [note the Greek tense is singular – not bodies plural. cf. Phil 3:21; Rom 8:23 on the redemption of our (plural) body (singular) i.e., corporate body] of which Paul speaks. It is the same language, therefore understanding i.e., covenantal transition that Paul uses in being delivered up daily and dying daily – out of the old and into the new. And particularly on behalf of those to whom he writes, hence what is “working death in us” means “life in you” [2Cor 4:12]. In no way is any of Paul’s language speaking of literal individual fleshly [of whatever nature] bodies post death.

Not only that, but the Greek tense of absent and present in 2Cor 5:8 are both aorist infinitive – meaning actions as having occurred with ongoing results i.e., it was a then process. Not something that was to occur upon or beyond physical death.

Further, Paul’s statement: Therefore we also have as our ambition, whether at home or absent, to be pleasing to Him 2Cor 5:9 shows this understanding of the ‘corporate body’ image. It makes no sense at all supposedly being at home “in heaven” in a “glorified fleshly” [never actually stated] body trying “to be pleasing to Him” or as the KJV has it, “accepted” – what, is there still more to do after death to be accepted and found pleasing to Him? This makes no logical nor biblical sense at all. Their being “at home” or “absence” [from the body] was the continual putting off and putting on of the old/new natures [covenants] respectively. They were in the process in that transitional generation of moving out of one glorious House [covenant] – whose splendor was fading and ready to crumble, into another more glorious House [covenant] – built without hands, complete and glorious and in the heavens [2Cor 3:7-11]. It is all covenantal language [2Cor 5:1] - the House of Moses was being replaced by the House of Christ - the covenant of Law being replaced by the covenant of Grace:

Heb 3:5-6 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end. [speaking of the perseverance of the elect]

Thus their walk was in the likeness of Christ’s faith, not according to fleshly ordinances i.e., they were to walk by NC faith and not by OC sight. The OC was natural, corruptible and dying, ready to pass away, but the NC is spiritual, incorruptible and full to life.
That IMO is how Paul uses “body” in much of his epistles i.e., covenantally.

Bodily Resurrection and the New Man
In John 11:26 we have proof that whosoever lives and believes shall never die. It is obvious that Jesus meant, shall never spiritually die because everyone is appointed to die once physically. Some twice if they were ever raised from the dead physically like Lazuras, if not then there must be some who are at least 2000 years old amongst us today.

John 11
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
Now here is what amazes me is that the word body in Romans 8:10,11 does not refer to the physical human body, simply because those who are in Christ are not physically dead. It is obvious that it is referring to a spiritual body. Yet most believe the body when speaking of being resurrected is just the physical body, however 1 Cor.15 makes it very clear the flesh and blood will not enter into the Kingdom of God.

Romans 8
9But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.


Here in verse 12 we have the death of the body of sin if we live by the Spirit. This again makes it very clear that the scripture use of the word body is not a physical body but a spiritual body.

Sonship Through the Spirit
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

Now with this all in mind we need to re-read 1 Cor. 15 when it comes to the body being resurrected.

Here is what I found that the scripture says about the new man or “body”. Note here how it is associated with deeds and forgiving as Christ did.

Colossians 3:9-11
9Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, 10 and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, 11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.

Character of the New Man
12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering; 13 bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do.

Again here in Romans 8:14 it sums it up by saying that we are to put on Christ as if something the new man or body is to be spiritually clothed in Him.

Romans 13
Love Your Neighbor
(A)8Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” [a]”You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [c]10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Put on Christ
11 And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. 13 Let us walk properly, as in the day, not in revelry and drunkenness, not in lewdness and lust, not in strife and envy. 14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.

 

[Havahope]

. . . . . . . Again here in Romans 8:14 it sums it up by saying that we are to put on Christ as if something the new man or body is to be spiritually clothed in Him.

Romans 13
Love Your Neighbor
(A)8Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” [a]”You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [c]10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Put on Christ
11 And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. 13 Let us walk properly, as in the day, not in revelry and drunkenness, not in lewdness and lust, not in strife and envy. 14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.

Also those scriptures would fall right into line with 1Cor. 15: 49 which, if read according to other ancient MSS, (I am told) would read, "let us also bear" the image of the heavenly instead of "we shall also bear" the image of the heavenly.

 

[Hidden Manna]

Also those scriptures would fall right into line with 1Cor. 15: 49 which, if read according to other ancient MSS, (I am told) would read, "let us also bear" the image of the heavenly instead of "we shall also bear" the image of the heavenly.

That would make more sense, why would God has us wait to bear the image of the heavenly. The Kingdom of God is in the heart of the believer right where it should be in the here and now with Jesus.

 

[SpaceMan]

DjDan: Just out of curiosity…where are we going with this?—why were you curious about the nature of the resurrection in the first place?

 

[Havahope]

. . . . . The Kingdom of God is in the heart of the believer right where it should be in the here and now with Jesus.

Amen! I believe that to be true also.

 

[DjDan]

DjDan: Just out of curiosity…where are we going with this?—why were you curious about the nature of the resurrection in the first place?

Good question.

I ask the question... because i get confused on this doctrine when it comes to the teaching of the trinity. I've had a anglican preacher tell me to my face that Christ has a resurrected, physical body.. and that God the father is a spirit. What i could not understand, was how he could say that... yet at the same time, teach that they are the same being. I totally do not understand this trinity idea.

A physical body cannot be in the same place or be the same person as a spirit,unless that spirit dwells inside the body (as we are now). Does God live inside Jesus Christ? no. So how do they actually fit? How can they be the same God??

As it is... most in this thread say that Jesus Christ does not have a physical body.... which is just as confusing!!!

Question: why do we celebrate the resurrection of the saviour?

 

[SpaceMan]

DjDan: I’m with ya. And after many years of trying to reconcile such contradictions myself, I have surrendered to a polytheistic interpretation; believe me, seeing them as separate actually addresses a lot of problems (IMO, that is).