Does Tee Stand For Terrorist?

[SummerMadness]

I think it is reprehenible and disgusting that grandmothers and babies are being searched when we know the profile of the people who commit these terrorist acts.

You didn't answer the question, you just went straight into your rant about how we should use racism as a tool of law enforcement.

 

[Imalittleteapot]

who said anything about using racism?

 

[The Lone Gunmen]

I think it is reprehenible and disgusting that grandmothers and babies are being searched when we know the profile of the people who commit these terrorist acts.

What about Ted Kennedy?

 

[Imalittleteapot]

knowing the chracteristics of the people who commit crimes is not racist - it's good police work. Look at the corner - is a grandmother in a shawl stnding there looking to turn a trick? No. The woman who's barely wearing any clothes at all is probably the one who is looking to turn a trick.

 

[Sycophant]

If you rely on profiling then you do two things...
1) Alienate a group, who feel to some extent they are considered "guilty until proven innocent" and...
2) Open up a massive opportunity to catch you by surprise by avoiding the profile you're looking for.

If the screeners/security people get too into profiling then the next attack will come from an old woman, or a white guy, or some other 'unlikely' person. Afterall if you know who they are looking for, how hard is it to not be that person?

 

[SummerMadness]

knowing the chracteristics of the people who commit crimes is not racist - it's good police work. Look at the corner - is a grandmother in a shawl stnding there looking to turn a trick? No. The woman who's barely wearing any clothes at all is probably the one who is looking to turn a trick.

So all scantily clad women should be stopped to make sure they're not prostitutes? That's dumb police work. You look at behavior, a woman that is dressed provocatively does not indicate a prostitute. A woman that is a prostitute has specific behaviors that indicate to police that she is a prostitute. You just chose an example that worked against your call for racism in police work. Using racism is not good police work, it's ignorance, bigoted, and ineffective.

If you see two people that are nervous and sweaty around law enforcement, you check both guys out, you don't say, "Well one guy is white, he must have had a tough day, I'll let him go on his way. But that next guy, look at his skin color, I think we definitely have to search him and pat him down, it's the American way."

And you still didn't answer the question.

 

[Imalittleteapot]

If you rely on profiling then you do two things...
1) Alienate a group, who feel to some extent they are considered "guilty until proven innocent" and...
2) Open up a massive opportunity to catch you by surprise by avoiding the profile you're looking for.

If the screeners/security people get too into profiling then the next attack will come from an old woman, or a white guy, or some other 'unlikely' person. Afterall if you know who they are looking for, how hard is it to not be that person?

so you randomly check the others - but you check EVERYONE who fits the profile.

 

[SummerMadness]

If you rely on profiling then you do two things...
1) Alienate a group, who feel to some extent they are considered "guilty until proven innocent" and...
2) Open up a massive opportunity to catch you by surprise by avoiding the profile you're looking for.

If the screeners/security people get too into profiling then the next attack will come from an old woman, or a white guy, or some other 'unlikely' person. Afterall if you know who they are looking for, how hard is it to not be that person?

And this a problem with the people that want to racially profile. They want to look for Muslims, but believe Muslims to be a bunch of brown-skinned people. I think bigotry has a weird way of also clouding out the fact that a third of Muslims are as white as they are. But of course, racially profiling isn't about good police work or effective security, it is about perpetuating racism because it makes you feel better that you're "dealing with the problem," the problem being all those brown-skinned people that you feel need to get roughed up. They somehow believe that skin color is indicative of a crime.

Perhaps we should make all Muslims have a marker on their passport or ID so it will make it easier to identify them.

 

[Imalittleteapot]

So all scantily clad women should be stopped to make sure they're not prostitutes? That's dumb police work. You look at behavior, a woman that is dressed provocatively does not indicate a prostitute. A woman that is a prostitute has specific behaviors that indicate to police that she is a prostitute. You just chose an example that worked against your call for racism in police work. Using racism is not good police work, it's ignorance, bigoted, and ineffective.

If you see two people that are nervous and sweaty around law enforcement, you check both guys out, you don't say, "Well one guy is white, he must have had a tough day, I'll let him go on his way. But that next guy, look at his skin color, I think we definitely have to search him and pat him down, it's the American way."

And you still didn't answer the question.

of course there is more to it than how a woman is dressed. I was only trying to make the point without typing a novel.

 

[CCGirl]

I think bigotry has a weird way of also clouding out the fact that a third of Muslims are as white as they are. But of course, racially profiling isn't about good police work or effective security, it is about perpetuating racism because it makes you feel better that you're "dealing with the problem," the problem being all those brown-skinned people that you feel need to get roughed up. They somehow believe that skin color is indicative of a crime.

Makes me sick. Perhaps elementary psychology (Human Behaviours) should be introduced into the school curriculum?

 

[SummerMadness]

of course there is more to it than how a woman is dressed. I was only trying to make the point without typing a novel.

And there is more to searching people than their race, racial profiling is stupid because it equates skin color to suspicious behavior. Security experts all agree that racial profiling is not effective.

 

[Imalittleteapot]

And there is more to searching people than their race, racial profiling is stupid because it equates skin color to suspicious behavior. Security experts all agree that racial profiling is not effective.

no one is talking about racial profiling. I'm talking about knowing the profile of your average terrorist and acting accordingly.

 

[SummerMadness]

no one is talking about racial profiling. I'm talking about knowing the profile of your average terrorist and acting accordingly.

You're just trying to give it a different name because the average terrorist to you is a brown-skinned Muslim. Nice try though.

It's not slavery, it's intense volunteer work. After we crack the whip, the workers definitely have no problem doing the job.

 

[Imalittleteapot]

You're just trying to give it a different name because the average terrorist to you is a brown-skinned Muslim. Nice try though.

It's not slavery, it's intense volunteer work. After we crack the whip, the workers definitely have no problem doing the job.

If it was racial profiling it would be checking everyone who looks like they might be middle eastern.

That's not what I've mentioned. I've mentioned taking the profile of your average terrorist and making sure that they have been cleared.

 

[Borealis]

I'll just say it, I think people that support racial profiling are stupid. They go on this premise that someone's skin color dictates that they are a terrorist, but let's flip the script. All white people are racists, just look at the research from the Southern Poverty Law Center. Of course my statement is outrageous, but it's also dumb logic...the same logic used to say that brown-skinned people are terrorists. My name is Arabic, should I be stopped and searched for that reason? Dumb logic would say yes.

Let's try this. Let's imagine a scenario where a group of tall, blue-eyed, blonde men speaking a Scandinavian language (let's say it's Swedish) hijack a cruise liner and cause it to sink, killing everyone on board. No, scratch that. Let's say there were, oh, I don't know, FOUR such incidents. All on the same day, even. And it's not the first time something like that happens, either. Another group of Scandinavian men speaking Swedish had been arrested a few years earlier for trying to sink a cruise ship.

Then a few years later, an even larger group of Scandinavian men speaking Swedish are arrested in Japan, caught in the act of preparing an even greater crime: TEN cruise ships are targeted for sinking and destruction.

Let's also add this little snippet: the Swedish government, as well as the vast majority of Swedes, are either silent on the issue, expressing mild discontent (but rarely outrage or fierce disapproval), or outright pleased at the success of the cruise-ship hijackings.

Now, I'm aware of the extreme stretches of logic I'm postulating; that's not the point, so kindly avoid the obtuse answer of 'that can't happen,' or variations on the theme. Ignoring the plot holes, just visualize the scenario, and answer honestly: Are you suggesting that it's stupid to be wary of Swedish-speaking men who are trying to buy cruise tickets? Would you buy tickets on the same cruise they were going on? Would you not feel even the slightest worry that the cruise ship you're paying to board might just be the next target?

 

[Borealis]

You're just trying to give it a different name because the average terrorist to you is a brown-skinned Muslim. Nice try though.

It's not slavery, it's intense volunteer work. After we crack the whip, the workers definitely have no problem doing the job.

The average terrorist over the past twenty years IS a brown-skinned Muslim. I'm sorry if that offends your tender sensibilities...well, actually I'm not. Reality sucks sometimes, deal with it.

There is a long list of terrorist activities around the world for the past twenty years that can be directly traced to the actions of brown-skinned Muslims. There is a higher proportion of brown-skinned Muslims than any other skin color or religious affiliation among the terrorist demographic. And they have not been subtle about their intentions towards the entire western world. They are going to do everything they can to undermine our social institutions, our governments, and our economies. They are going to increase their numbers in Western countries that value democracy and force Sharia law down the throats of what will eventually be a Christian minority. And they are going to use the propaganda value of a huge class of people who are railing against the very people who are doing the most to actually stop the murderous scumbags from carrying out their intentions; a class of people so blinded by their hatred for their own culture that they do not recognize the seeds of their own destruction in what they do.

Europe is well on its way to becoming what it was a thousand years ago: a battlefield between Islam and Christianity. And like the last time, it took the Christians a long, LONG time to wake up to the threat. The Islamic wars of conquest began long before the Crusades. There's a reason Spain has so much Muslim architecture.

If anyone seriously believes that a single liberal cause will be respected and protected under Sharia law, they are, quite frankly, too stupid to be allowed to leave the house without a hockey helmet. Gay marriage? The feminist movement? The environment? They make their money from doing what you all want to stop Bush from doing in Alaska: drilling for oil! Universal peace? Only at the end of a gun; it's called slavery.

Actually, there is one liberal cause that the jihadists will happily march in lockstep with their leftist apologists: the annihilation of Israel.

 

[JustOneWay]

The average terrorist over the past twenty years IS a brown-skinned Muslim. I'm sorry if that offends your tender sensibilities...well, actually I'm not. Reality sucks sometimes, deal with it.

That may have been the case, although they have become much more proficient in their efforts. The terrorists are killing more of our soldiers than they were last year. I suppose one could say that the have become better than average terrorists.

 

[The Lone Gunmen]

That may have been the case, although they have become much more proficient in their efforts. The terrorists are killing more of our soldiers than they were last year. I suppose one could say that the have become better than average terrorists.

There is no "may have been." That was the case.

 

[Rik]

The average terrorist over the past twenty years IS a brown-skinned Muslim. I'm sorry if that offends your tender sensibilities...well, actually I'm not. Reality sucks sometimes, deal with it.

There is a long list of terrorist activities around the world for the past twenty years that can be directly traced to the actions of brown-skinned Muslims. There is a higher proportion of brown-skinned Muslims than any other skin color or religious affiliation among the terrorist demographic. And they have not been subtle about their intentions towards the entire western world. They are going to do everything they can to undermine our social institutions, our governments, and our economies. They are going to increase their numbers in Western countries that value democracy and force Sharia law down the throats of what will eventually be a Christian minority. And they are going to use the propaganda value of a huge class of people who are railing against the very people who are doing the most to actually stop the murderous scumbags from carrying out their intentions; a class of people so blinded by their hatred for their own culture that they do not recognize the seeds of their own destruction in what they do.

Europe is well on its way to becoming what it was a thousand years ago: a battlefield between Islam and Christianity. And like the last time, it took the Christians a long, LONG time to wake up to the threat. The Islamic wars of conquest began long before the Crusades. There's a reason Spain has so much Muslim architecture.

If anyone seriously believes that a single liberal cause will be respected and protected under Sharia law, they are, quite frankly, too stupid to be allowed to leave the house without a hockey helmet. Gay marriage? The feminist movement? The environment? They make their money from doing what you all want to stop Bush from doing in Alaska: drilling for oil! Universal peace? Only at the end of a gun; it's called slavery.

Actually, there is one liberal cause that the jihadists will happily march in lockstep with their leftist apologists: the annihilation of Israel.

Holy guacamole what a great post. Reps!

 

[Sycophant]

Borealis,

That's not a bad theoretical... But let's make it a little different... Lets imagine that it's a bunch of english-speaking light-haired Chrisitans.

Would it be reasonable to subject white guys (especially if they were seen with bibles) to additional security checks? Maybe.

What about questioning anyone seen wearing a cross, or with English words on a shirt. Refuse people entry to a plane if they are wearing a 'WWJD?' shirt?

A person wearing a shirt with Arabic writing (and a english translation) is not a security threat. They should have as much right to wear that as anything else.