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Science is man discovering what God has already established. Gods laws are the laws of nature. People van call it what they want. The world calls Gods justice "Karma". They say that its your conscience eating you when in fact it is God convicting you of sin. God created the scientific thought process. Everything you see was naturally created by God; but the way he created was with a design and a way that nature could sustain itself.
NoNo, you can't. You can playaround with current laws that God set up here for the time being.
That is only true IF you look to the world for answers.You are sidestepping the question and the issue. We use these laws of physics to build technologies which sustain our modern civilization. We have every logical reason to believe they the same physical laws apply, past, present and future. We have no idea *when* this planet was created based upon a few paragraphs from a religious document.
We can however apply logic, common sense, and a wee bit of "physics" and we can see that the planet itself is in excess of 4.6 billion years old based on these simple laws of physics, which explains why we have something close to 800,000 years of ice core samples in our inventory.
Even if Earth itself were destroyed one fine day, the same "laws of physics" would still apply for all we know.
That is only true IF you look to the world for answers.
Then the serpent said to the women, "Surely, the world is older than God has said."
Myth: The Bible says that the earth is flat.
Fact: The Bible uses the phrase “the ends of the earth” to mean “the most distant part of the earth”; this does not imply that the earth is flat or that it has an edge. (Acts 1:8; footnote) Likewise, the expression “the four corners of the earth” is a figure of speech referring to the entire surface of the earth; today a person might use the four points of the compass as a similar metaphor.—Isaiah 11:12; Luke 13:29.
The earth and the entire universe (the world) are under the domain of Satan. To look to the world for answers (as science does), is to look to Satan, who is a lair.You look to the world to get answers. From the world you get your computer, and the internet, and roads to drive your car, etc. Why wouldn't one look to the rest of the universe for various answers related to topics of scientific interest?
Science is simply the study of God's creation from my perspective. God has nothing to fear from science. That may not be the case for some individual belief systems that revolve around the concept of a literal translation of the first book of Moses.
Genesis says absolutely nothing about *when* the Earth was created. Any belief you hold to the contrary is not shared by even a majority of "Christian", let alone everyone.
Faith in Christ should have *nothing* to do with the age of the Earth or various other scientific areas of interest. Why individuals insist on mixing in irrelevant issues is beyond me. It's the teaching of Christ that are most important in that book, and even Christ used metaphors during his lifetime.
Since we really aren't infallible, nor God incarnate, and we cannot presume to speak for God as it relates to the age of the Earth, it's really your personal "interpretation" of a few paragraphs of a single book that we're debating, not what God actually "said".
God's word, is His own providence. Fallible men did not inspire the word of God. And leaving ones mind open to anything more, will only let Satan in.I disagree, ScottA. Gen. 1 and Gen. 2 are two separate, contradictory accounts, to start with. Furthermore, when you speak of looking to the world, you need to spell out what you mean by world. You apparently hold with the inerrancy of Scripture. Well, that is best termed the inerrancy of Scripture, since it is simply a human-made, fallible theory about how God may be related to the writing of Scripture. So, holding with it, well, that is simply holding with the world insofar as world represents the thoughts and opinions of other people. You need, then, to test this theory out. Maybe it is right, maybe not. You need to come to Scripture, with an open mind. Fact is, the inerrancy theory has been tested out and has been found not to work very well. Remember, the Bible, divinely inspirited or no, was written buy fallible human beings.
The earth and the entire universe (the world) are under the domain of Satan. To look to the world for answers (as science does), is to look to Satan, who is a lair.
On the contrary, the truth, can only be found in God.
Who you gonna believe?
The earth and the entire universe (the world) are under the domain of Satan.
To look to the world for answers (as science does), is to look to Satan, who is a lair.
On the contrary, the truth, can only be found in God.
Who you gonna believe?
You misunderstand. All the world (the universe) may be under Satan, but it was not created for Satan's purpose, but for God's. Thus, when I use something like a computer or a rope for instance, it is life. But to Satan, it is to hang himself, which he does willingly, for it is all he has.You mean which "interpretation" of a couple of a paragraphs am I going to believe? The one that most jive with "reality". The universe is "Gods" creation.
Based on your belief systems, why are you even using a computer if it's nothing more than a tool of Satan?
You misunderstand. All the world (the universe) may be under Satan, but it was not created for Satan's purpose, but for God's.
Thus, when I use something like a computer or a rope for instance, it is life. But to Satan, it is to hang himself, which he does willingly, for it is all he has.
Fair enough.So we're right back to attempting to ascertaining *God's* purpose through physics.
IMO God's purpose was written in empirical physics at the moment of creation, and that physics continues to serve his purpose.
Wow.Science and football. Two things that are from the Devil!!!!
Get forensics from the time of Noah or --corkaroonie.Once again, your logic would require us to throw out all forensic evidence in court cases. Good job.
You are looking at it all wrong. The world is not about fallible humans.The fact is, ScottA, that fallible humans did write Scripture. There is no doubt about that. Indeed, the Holy Spirit dos not cause a miracle by which we are no longer human and subject to error. The fact is, ScottA, that fallible humans interpret Scripture. The fact is fallible humans invented the inerrancy theory of Scripture. Therefore, the latter is something we need to test out. We cannot take it for granted. And I am saying that when it is tested out, it does not hold water. There are simply too many contradiction's in Scripture, for one thing. Now the situation appears to be one in which God is content with an errant Scripture. And if God is content with it, so should I be. If you insist Scripture should be inerrant, then you are seriously questioning God's standards and trying to project your standards of perfection onto God.
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