Does reality comprise only 5% of the Universe?

BeyondET · May 5, 2023

dlamberth said:
The AI's 5% answer was about the make up of the physical world we live in when compared to the Universe as a whole. I think one way to look at it is that 95% of the Universe is in a very different reality than what we are living in.

I like the analogy,

In a way its like sight to being blind.

AV1611VET · May 5, 2023

dlamberth said:
The AI's 5% answer was about the make up of the physical world we live in when compared to the Universe as a whole. I think one way to look at it is that 95% of the Universe is in a very different reality than what we are living in.

That's what I thought you meant.

Divide · May 5, 2023

dlamberth said:
The AI's 5% answer was about the make up of the physical world we live in when compared to the Universe as a whole. I think one way to look at it is that 95% of the Universe is in a very different reality than what we are living in.

So it's not that reality consists of 5% of the universe. It's 5% of matter makes up the universe and the rest is invisible, hence their search for dark matter.

dlamberth · May 5, 2023

Divide said:
So it's not that reality consists of 5% of the universe. It's 5% of matter makes up the universe and the rest is invisible, hence their search for dark matter.

Can you explain how the reality we live in extends into the invisible? Our reality is the physical world of matter, stuff we can see and experience.

AV1611VET · May 5, 2023

dlamberth said:
Can you explain how the reality we live in extends into the invisible? Our reality is the physical world of matter, stuff we can see and experience.

Doesn't science claim there are eleven dimensions of space?

dlamberth · May 5, 2023

AV1611VET said:
Doesn't science claim there are eleven dimensions of space?

I have no idea.
Spiritually I'm aware of 4. But that's pretty subjective on my part.

Divide · May 5, 2023

dlamberth said:
Can you explain how the reality we live in extends into the invisible? Our reality is the physical world of matter, stuff we can see and experience.

Can I explain it? Not really. I'm trying to learn about the truth of our existance like everyone else, and I am on the right track. But I'm not there yet! I'm on the yello brick road though, lol.

This Pastor, Chuck Missler is talking all about everything that we have been discussing in this thread and he gives plenty of quotes and sources and all that so have a pencil ready, lol.

The full Beyond Time and Space is two parts but the first part is on Youtube too for the entire series. Chuck has a better handle on it than I do so check him out!

Divide · May 5, 2023

AV1611VET said:
Doesn't science claim there are eleven dimensions of space?

Yes! I think Chuck Missler talks about that in Beyond Time and Space video, part #1

Nocmanides knew this in the 11th (13th?) century. He siad 10 or 11 dimensions but only 4 are knowable.

Divide · May 5, 2023

dlamberth said:
Can you explain how the reality we live in extends into the invisible? Our reality is the physical world of matter, stuff we can see and experience.

Would spooky things happening point the right direction/.

Like for instance, you have a tenny little 120 pound girl who has a small child and there is an auto accident and the child is pinnes beneath the vehicle. The Momma screams, runs to the vehicle and lifts it off the child and saves them...

It don't happen that way all the time, but it has happened enough to become a phemenon. That girl could not lift up a car during normal circumstances, so why was she able to when the stressed situation of her child being pinned underneath it happened. So what happened? Spooky action. (Einstein talks about spooky actions too). So something happened in the invisible portion of our universe to enable the girl to lift the car and save the child. SO there is a connection and that seems undeniable.

The word of God talks about this stuff. Jesus said, speak to the mountain and it will fall into the sea at your command. He spoke to the fig tree and made it wither and die. So tha's spooky actions also.

Then, have you ever had intuition that something was going to happen? That is real, we know that. Just don't know how it works.

Scripture says that the prayer of a righteous man availith much.

James 5:16
16 Confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The earnest prayer of a righteous person has great power and produces wonderful results..../NLT

The KJV says the fervant prayer of a righteous man. So maybe an emotional response provides extra power to the spooky action somehow? The girl looking at her child pinned under the vehicle would be in a very emotional state. There is a connection indicated there but fervancy can be brought out in different ways. Maybe some girls lift the car while others can not is because maybe some cry out to God in Prayer and some do not durig that moment.

Remeber, scripture says, yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will not fear evil. So the girl is in the valley of the shadow of death, would you agree?! Have no fear. Why? How? Oh! Reach out to God. Depend on Him first. God uses these seemingly bad situations to test us and our reactions! A teaching tool, lol. All the while it is nudging us towards total dependance on God.

AV1611VET · May 5, 2023

Divide said:
Nocmanides knew this in the 11th (13th?) century. He siad 10 or 11 dimensions but only 4 are knowable.

Paul mentioned four:

Ephesians 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

Divide · May 5, 2023

dlamberth said:
Can you explain how the reality we live in extends into the invisible? Our reality is the physical world of matter, stuff we can see and experience.

Oh! Spiritually, it would have to be Faith. Everybody has a measure of faith to begin with.

Hebrews 11: 1
1 Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see..../NLT

So even if the girl was unsaved but she did cry out to God in desperation when she seen her child under a vehicle, and her measure of faith was enough to nudge God (the invisible) to take spooky action and save the child through her.

It's not something you can see or reproduce in a laboratory so I guess that's why they call it faith. And it's been my experience that it don't take much to initiate spooky action with the invisible (God). When lives are on the line, I think God decides to act on a sliding scale or something and when in doubt, He saves them anyway.

If they cry out to Him, and even sometimes when they don't cry out to Him. Faith. Faith is the substance which we cast towards Heaven.

The more Faith the better the miracles. But no Magic shows! He will only act and respond to faith in Him in most instances it seems.

Peter could not walk on the water until after he got out of the boat!

Divide · May 5, 2023

AV1611VET said:
Paul mentioned four:

Ephesians 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

Yep. Chuck Missler refrences that in the video too. So they knew these facts way before Nocmonides did! Lol.

I'm pretty sure that the fourth dimension is Time. Breadth, depth and height are physical dimensions and time is invisible yet measureable.

AV1611VET · May 5, 2023

Divide said:
Yep. Chuck Missler refrences that in the video too. So they knew these facts way before Nocmonides did! Lol.

I'm pretty sure that the fourth dimension is Time. Breadth, depth and height are physical dimensions and time is invisible yet measureable.

Thanks for the info.

I had Chuck Missler & Mark Eastman's CREATION SERIES videos.

I love how Chuck described the Bible as -- (if I got it right) -- "A message from another dimension, depicting history in advance, and written in spread-spectrum design to prevent hostile jamming."

Something like that!

stevevw · May 5, 2023

Divide said:
I've heard the same thing. Apparently they've known about this for a long time. Charlton Heston was talking about it in Planet of the Apes #1. This is all tied into the einstein theories I think.

So we have spiritual senses even we do not seem to perceive them or know what they are when they come?

As soon as I heard it, I knew in my heart is was true...
I don't know I just had a gut feeling about it...
My Spidey sense started tingling...
That has the ring of truth to it...
I had intuition where (whatever)...
Something made me not get on that plane, then it crashed...

All of things are different than our five senses, yet they feed us information too. They must be spiritual senses. So this suggests that deep down inside, every person on the earth has the knowledge of God within them so that there will be no excuse.

Romans 1: 18-20
18 But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.[i] 19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. 20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God..../NLT

Hebrews 5: 11-14
11 There is much more we would like to say about this, but it is difficult to explain, especially since you are spiritually dull and don’t seem to listen. 12 You have been believers so long now that you ought to be teaching others. Instead, you need someone to teach you again the basic things about God’s word.[c] You are like babies who need milk and cannot eat solid food. 13 For someone who lives on milk is still an infant and doesn’t know how to do what is right. 14 Solid food is for those who are mature, who through training have the skill to recognize the difference between right and wrong.../NLT

Wow I love these newer translations of scripture! They are so specific and clear in today's language. I think essentially it is saying, grow up and be mature and learn to use your spiritual senses so that we may discern good from evil. (This passage is saying that all Atheists are liars!

I think it can be true to an extent though. I remember before I walk with God I heard the story but felt show me I can't see it. But now it is hard to step out on the front porch without seeing God's fingerprints everywhere! I can't make a tree! So now I can see and it is obvious.

All I did was set out to learn the truth. I prayed for wisdom & understanding and for Discernment more times than I can count. I read His word. (past tense). I read His word (present tense). How's that song go? ...Open the eyes of my heart Lord, open the eyes of my heart...

It's true that our Heart thinks independantly of the brain. For a long time we thought that the brain talks or sends signals to every part of the body, but now they have discovered that the heart talks to the brain also. The heart contains the same exact type of cells that the brain does and is responsible for thinking. (HeartMath.org).

The gut or stomach lso has these same exact cells! So gut feelings are real. I knew it in my heart, is real. Being aware of these things as a part of us and our makeup is our key to developing our skills with these spiritual senses. Doing this is called (I think!) looking to the unseen!

The atheistic view redeuces creation and reality to the mechanical and artificial and takes the spiritual aspect out of everything. Any non-mechanical behaviour like consciousness or synergy is regarded as an epiphenomena of the mechanical and material. That is where this world stops and is contained. So its limited to a cold and matter of fact world and has to redefine spirituality as unreal and this cuts out perhaps the greatest part of life.

We are multidimensional beings and spirituality is a big part of being human. We are natural born believers so if we deeon't believe in Gods spiritual realm then we will fill that void with some other idea even science itself as a belief in humans own power to reedefine and overcome nature or one of the many New age ideas about mysticism. While at the same time claiming spirituality and any influence it has a delusion and that there is always a natural and rational explanation.

But spirituality is a real force in the world. We are conscious and spiritual beings able to know the spiritual aspect of life and use it to influence change in the material world and there is evdience for this. But of course atheists will attribute this to the imagination and come up with an alternative rational explanation. Sure humans can fool themselves and not just with religious belief but they can also fool themselves into believing their own ability to explain everything away. I think this bible verse also applies as well

Romans 1:22-23
Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

Sabertooth · May 6, 2023

OP,

Does the "unreal" 95% have mass and/or volume?
If "unreality" is immeasurable (in real terms), how can the real portion of it be understood to be a fixed percent?
And if it is measurable (in real terms), how does it qualify as being "unreality??"

Hans Blaster · May 6, 2023

Sabertooth said:
OP,

Does the "unreal" 95% have mass and/or volume?

If "unreality" is immeasurable (in real terms), how can the real portion of it be understood to be a fixed percent?

And if it is measurable (in real terms), how does it qualify as being "unreality??"

1. Mass (or rather mass-energy) is exactly what it has as that's how we know it's there. These are just unidentified components of the universe.

2&3. It has been measured and it is real. Unfortunately some posters confuse this with "spiritual".

AV1611VET · May 6, 2023

Hans Blaster said:
It has been measured and it is real. Unfortunately some posters confuse this with "spiritual".

As opposed to empiricists, who unknowingly do just the opposite?

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Hans Blaster · May 6, 2023

AV1611VET said:
As opposed to empiricists, who unknowingly do just the opposite?

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Are you planing to make *all* of your posts in this thread off topic?

AV1611VET · May 6, 2023

Hans Blaster said:
Are you planing to make *all* of your posts in this thread off topic?

No.

But if you want to claim some posters here confuse reality with the spiritual realm, I'll surely show you that academians do the same thing, only in the opposite direction.

And if you consider that "off-topic," maybe you should consider your remark off-topic as well.

Hans Blaster · May 6, 2023

AV1611VET said:
No.

But if you want to claim some posters here confuse reality with the spiritual realm, I'll surely show you that academians do the same thing, only in the opposite direction.

And if you consider that "off-topic," maybe you should consider your remark off-topic as well.

The OP was about the physical universe and that topic held until someone drove it off a cliff in post #2. Wonder who that agent of chaos was???

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