Does morality exist without God?

[AGODBELIEVERlove1stfaith2]

Does morality exist without God? Why would it?
OR/
Why would it not?
There is secular morality and there is God's morality.
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 56: 8-9


we can treat people who we can see with respect n treat GOD with disarray and

how can we treat each other with no love whom we see daily but loves GOD whom we can not

vice versa ,,,...

 

[Eudaimonist]

we can treat people who we can see with respect n treat GOD with disarray and

how can we treat each other with no love whom we see daily but loves GOD whom we can not

I don't understand what you are saying here. Care to rephrase?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Strathos]

Didn't we just have this thread?

 

[Ken-1122]

Does morality exist without God? Why would it?
OR/
Why would it not?
There is secular morality and there is God's morality.
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 56: 8-9


we can treat people who we can see with respect n treat GOD with disarray and

how can we treat each other with no love whom we see daily but loves GOD whom we can not

vice versa ,,,...

It's easy to respect that which you see, and ignore the invisible.

K

 

[WisdomTree]

No, because there is no such thing as ethics nor morals.

To quote: "... without a common power, there is no justice and where there is no justice, no injustice" - Thomas Hobbes.

 

[Ken-1122]

Does morality exist without God? Why would it?
OR/
Why would it not?
There is secular morality and there is God's morality.
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 56: 8-9


we can treat people who we can see with respect n treat GOD with disarray and

how can we treat each other with no love whom we see daily but loves GOD whom we can not

vice versa ,,,...

opps

 

[Eudaimonist]

No, because there is no such thing as ethics nor morals.

To quote: "... without a common power, there is no justice and where there is no justice, no injustice" - Thomas Hobbes.

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[AlexBP]

I'm always bamboozled by discussions of whether morality exists in any circumstance. It's plain that for the great majority of people, morality exists. There may be a few drug addicts and insane folk whose minds are so far gone that they never consider morality at all, but that's not the case for most people. Benedict Arnold, Al Capone, H. L. Mencken, Adolf Hitler, Ayn Rand, Chairman Mao, George W. Bush, and Christopher Hitchens all practiced some system of morality. It just happened to be a bad one.

 

[MattiMuck]

Morality is conformity to the rules of right conduct. Which rules? Right conduct under one set of rules could be wrong conduct under another set. There must be one moral code that tanscends all others, that being the one actual moral code. There cannot be relative morality. That is a big reason why people usually associate morality with God. But which God? Only one God can have established the absolute moral code, because as we all know, there are many different concoctions of gods and divine laws that are contradicting.

So which moral code do we live by?...the Christian, muslim, hindu, etc...only Christianity has withstood much factual scrutiny over centuries, but which denomination is correct?...catholic, protestant (baptist, pentecostal, etc.), not to mention the abberant cults like Mormonism or the Jehovah's Witnesses. We need to search the scriptures for ourselves; be the Bereans of Acts, and we will find the true morality that we should live by. Who is the one man who has lived a perfect life? Jesus Christ. He should be the model of our lives.

 

[Eudaimonist]

There must be one moral code that tanscends [sic] all others, that being the one actual moral code. There cannot be relative morality. That is a big reason why people usually associate morality with God.

True, but even if "one actual morality" exists, that's not a necessary reason to associate that with God.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

Benedict Arnold, Al Capone, H. L. Mencken, Adolf Hitler, Ayn Rand, Chairman Mao, George W. Bush, and Christopher Hitchens all practiced some system of morality. It just happened to be a bad one.

H. L. Mencken, Ayn Rand, and Christopher Hitchens in the same list as totalitarians and mass murderers such as Adolf Hitler and Chairman Mao? Way to blur the issue!

None of us have perfect and complete knowledge of right and wrong, so everyone errs at least a little. I even place Ayn Rand in that category, even though she had corrected much of what is wrong with contemporary moralities.

I have to wonder what you are comparing these people's moralities to. Even Christian morality is flawed by incompleteness and error.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[quatona]

Morality is conformity to the rules of right conduct. Which rules? Right conduct under one set of rules could be wrong conduct under another set.

Yes.

There must be one moral code that tanscends all others, that being the one actual moral code.

What makes you conclude that there must be such a code?

There cannot be relative morality.

There is, demonstrably.

 

[Paradoxum]

Does morality exist without God? Why would it?
OR/
Why would it not?
There is secular morality and there is God's morality.
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 56: 8-9

we can treat people who we can see with respect n treat GOD with disarray and

how can we treat each other with no love whom we see daily but loves GOD whom we can not

vice versa ,,,...

Yes morality can be considered to exist without God, in a similar way to how truth or reason can be considered to exist.

No, because there is no such thing as ethics nor morals.

To quote: "... without a common power, there is no justice and where there is no justice, no injustice" - Thomas Hobbes.

Well, he I think he talking about law there. I could be wrong. Either way, I'm not sure I'll take Hobbes word as gospel.

I'm always bamboozled by discussions of whether morality exists in any circumstance. It's plain that for the great majority of people, morality exists. There may be a few drug addicts and insane folk whose minds are so far gone that they never consider morality at all, but that's not the case for most people. Benedict Arnold, Al Capone, H. L. Mencken, Adolf Hitler, Ayn Rand, Chairman Mao, George W. Bush, and Christopher Hitchens all practiced some system of morality. It just happened to be a bad one.

Alot of people believing in morality doesn't mean it exists objectively. I mean, there might not necessarily be a way of saying that one is right over another. Just like one can't say vanilla is better than chocolate.

Though I do believe there is objective morality.

H. L. Mencken, Ayn Rand, and Christopher Hitchens in the same list as totalitarians and mass murderers such as Adolf Hitler and Chairman Mao? Way to blur the issue!

None of us have perfect and complete knowledge of right and wrong, so everyone errs at least a little. I even place Ayn Rand in that category, even though she had corrected much of what is wrong with contemporary moralities.

What did Ayn Rand ever do for us?

 

[Tinker Grey]

Since God doesn't exist and morals do the answer is yes.

 

[Eudaimonist]

What did Ayn Rand ever do for us?

Quite a bit, actually. But let's not sidetrack the discussion.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

Since God doesn't exist and morals do the answer is yes.

This^


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[WisdomTree]

Laws, divine or natural, is inseparable from right or wrong.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Yes, objective morality exists without a god.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

What did Ayn Rand ever do for us?

Ayn Rand turned my sister-in-law into a zombie.

True story.

 

[Paradoxum]

Quite a bit, actually. But let's not sidetrack the discussion.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Ayn Rand turned my sister-in-law into a zombie.

True story.

That sounds unfortunate.