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Does morality exist without God?

Archaeopteryx

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Well, I think what I said was "the extra-universal personality ... variable or not, is still an absolute reference"-- that is, I am referring to a personality that is extra-universal as the absolute reference. In a very crude analogy, my spouse is variable in expression, but undeniably is absolutely my spouse regardless of expression, and likewise undeniably an absolute reference in my marriage.

But your spouse's status as 'spouse' doesn't depend on their facial or emotional expression, whereas you are claiming that morality depends on a personality. To make the analogy more analogous, it is like claiming that your marriage depends on your spouse making certain kinds of expressions.
 
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But your spouse's status as 'spouse' doesn't depend on their facial or emotional expression, whereas you are claiming that morality depends on a personality. To make the analogy more analogous, it is like claiming that your marriage depends on your spouse making certain kinds of expressions.

Hmmm ... it must be monday coz I'm not quite getting that. My spouse is the reference for my marriage. The *nature* of my marriage is dependent on my spouses expression. But the existence of my marriage is only dependent on the existence of my spouse.

Of course, all analogies collapse at some point!
 
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