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Does morality exist without God?
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is there such a thing as "righteous killng?"
white lie?
little sin?
AS TO COMPARSION to big sin?
black lie?
cold- blooded murder?
white lie?
little sin?
AS TO COMPARSION to big sin?
black lie?
cold- blooded murder?
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There, I fixed it for you.
Seriously, are bald claims like that supposed to impress anyone?
eudaimonia,
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Yes, only thousands of years after the fact. Oh and having to fight tooth and nail to get it. Same with black people. Do you ever post anything remotely factual or is your entire worldview so twisted that you think women's suffrage came about because of the bible?
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Interesting.
I went to this link:
Women's suffrage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here's what I got using the "find" feature of my browser.
Christianity - 0 hits
Protestant - 0 hits
Bible - 0 hits
Religion - 3 hits (one being a citation at the end of the article!)
Catholic - 1 hit (Catholicism)
I did the same thing for the article specific to the US Women's suffrage movement:
Women's suffrage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Christianity - 1 hit
Here is the paragraph:
"n an age when many Protestant denominations were promoting "muscular Christianity" with a stress on social activism as part of the Social Gospel, the suffragists became involved as well.[17] Schultz argues that suffragists promoted swimming competitions, scaled mountains, piloted aeroplanes and staged large-scale parades to gain publicity and emphasize their new physical activism. In a sense, they spectacularized suffrage by thrusting their bodies in the public sphere rather than remaining behind closed doors. In New York in 1912 they organized a 12-day, 170-mile "Hike to Albany'. In 1913 the suffragist "Army of the Hudson" marched the 225 miles from Newark to Washington in 16 days, with numerous photo opportunities and press availabilities along the way that gained a national audience. The Woman Voter magazine claimed the hikes generated $3 million worth of free publicity. The women, says Schultz, "staked a symbolic claim on the polity," as they contrasted their democratic rights to assemble and speak freely with the denial of full citizenship in terms of voting. Simultaneously they undermined the myths of women's physical and political inferiority.[18]
The monthly women's magazine The Delineator, in the 1890s to the 1920s was edited by Charles Dwyer, Theodore Dreiser and William Hard. They emphasized the "New Woman" who enjoyed sports such as golf, archery, and gymnastics, appreciated new technologies such as automobiles, and embraced social reform.[19]"
Protestant - 2 hits
"The Mormon issue made the Utah situation unique. In 1870 the Utah Territory, controlled by Mormons, gave women the right to vote. However, in 1887, Congress disenfranchised Utah women with the Edmunds–Tucker Act, which was designed to weaken the Mormons politically and punish them for polygamy. In 1867-96, eastern activists promoted woman suffrage in Utah as an experiment, and as a way to eliminate polygamy. They were Presbyterians and other Protestants convinced that Mormonism was a non-Christian cult that grossly mistreated women.[40] The Mormons promoted woman suffrage to counter the negative image of downtrodden Mormon women. The Mormons dropped the polygamy requirement in 1890 and in 1895 Utah adopted a constitution restoring the right of woman suffrage. Congress admitted Utah as a state with that constitution in 1896.[41]"
And:
"In an age when many Protestant denominations were promoting "muscular Christianity" with a stress on social activism as part of the Social Gospel, the suffragists became involved as well.[17]"
Bible - 1 hit:
"Elizabeth Cady Stanton's strong opinions didn't always make her popular. One young woman from Seneca Falls refused to ride in the same carriage, saying, "I wouldn't have been seen with her for anything, with those ideas of hers." In 1851, she met 31-year-old Susan B. Anthony who, stung by discrimination against women in the temperance movement, gradually diverted her considerable energy to the cause of women's rights. Anthony emerged as a gifted organizer—Stanton, a sharp thinker. Together, they became a formidable partnership that would last until Stanton's writing of The Woman's Bible, a controversial work that alienated many suffrage activists in 1896."
Religion - 0 hits
Catholic - 2 hits
Here is the paragraph for one hit:
"The opposition to women's suffrage in the United States included organizations like the National Organization Against Women's Suffrage and women like Helen Kendrick Johnson. In New York, upper class women who thought they had a behind-the-scenes voice often opposed suffrage because it would dilute their influence. At first the anti-s let the men do the talking, but increasingly they adopted the mobilization techniques pioneered by the suffragists.[21] The antis easily won the 1915 New York State referendum, using the argument that women voters would close the saloons. But the suffragists won the 1917 referendum, arguing that the saloons were Germanic (at a time when Germany was hated); the Tammany Hall machine in New York City deserted the antis as well. Nationwide, male voters made the decision and the opposition was led by Southern white men (afraid that black women would vote), ethnic politicians (especially Catholics whose women were not allowed a political voice) and the liquor forces (who realized correctly that most women would vote dry.)[22][23]"
The other two:
"Politicians responded to the newly enlarged electorate by emphasizing issues of special interest to women, especially prohibition, child health, public schools, and world peace.[58] Women did respond to these issues, but in terms of general voting they shared the same outlook and the same voting behavior as men.[59]
The suffrage organization NAWSA became the League of Women Voters and Alice Paul's National Woman's Party began lobbying for full equality and the Equal Rights Amendment which would pass Congress during the second wave of the women's movement in 1972 (but it was not ratified and never took effect). The main surge of women voting came in 1928, when the big-city machines realized they needed the support of women to elect Al Smith, while rural dries mobilized women to support Prohibition and vote for Republican Herbert Hoover. Catholic women were reluctant to vote in the early 1920s, but they registered in very large numbers for the 1928 election--the first in which Catholicism was a major issue. [60] A few women were elected to office, but none became especially prominent during this time period. Overall, the women's rights movement was dormant in the 1920s as Susan B. Anthony and the other prominent activists were dead and apart from Alice Paul few younger women came along to replace them.
In states where women were allowed to vote, the passage of Prohibition laws has been determined to have been more likely.[61] In United States presidential elections, women's suffrage has been charged with changing the outcome of presidential elections. Barack Obama won both the male and female vote in 2008. [62]
It has been argued that without women's suffrage, the Republicans would have swept every election but one between 1968 and 1974. Another result of Women's suffrage is the steady rise of government spending between the 1920's and the present, as women are more risk averse than men and support "safety net" type income distribution and social welfare programs such as Medicare, Social Security, and public education. [63]
This came about in direct contradiction to what was expected by some writers prior to the passage of women's suffrage. In fact, it was stated by one opponent to suffrage that women voters would be "thriftier and less wasteful than men." [64]"
Not a whole lot going on in women's suffrage for something that made such a big impact, huh?
I went to this link:
Women's suffrage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here's what I got using the "find" feature of my browser.
Christianity - 0 hits
Protestant - 0 hits
Bible - 0 hits
Religion - 3 hits (one being a citation at the end of the article!)
Catholic - 1 hit (Catholicism)
I did the same thing for the article specific to the US Women's suffrage movement:
Women's suffrage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Christianity - 1 hit
Here is the paragraph:
"n an age when many Protestant denominations were promoting "muscular Christianity" with a stress on social activism as part of the Social Gospel, the suffragists became involved as well.[17] Schultz argues that suffragists promoted swimming competitions, scaled mountains, piloted aeroplanes and staged large-scale parades to gain publicity and emphasize their new physical activism. In a sense, they spectacularized suffrage by thrusting their bodies in the public sphere rather than remaining behind closed doors. In New York in 1912 they organized a 12-day, 170-mile "Hike to Albany'. In 1913 the suffragist "Army of the Hudson" marched the 225 miles from Newark to Washington in 16 days, with numerous photo opportunities and press availabilities along the way that gained a national audience. The Woman Voter magazine claimed the hikes generated $3 million worth of free publicity. The women, says Schultz, "staked a symbolic claim on the polity," as they contrasted their democratic rights to assemble and speak freely with the denial of full citizenship in terms of voting. Simultaneously they undermined the myths of women's physical and political inferiority.[18]
The monthly women's magazine The Delineator, in the 1890s to the 1920s was edited by Charles Dwyer, Theodore Dreiser and William Hard. They emphasized the "New Woman" who enjoyed sports such as golf, archery, and gymnastics, appreciated new technologies such as automobiles, and embraced social reform.[19]"
Protestant - 2 hits
"The Mormon issue made the Utah situation unique. In 1870 the Utah Territory, controlled by Mormons, gave women the right to vote. However, in 1887, Congress disenfranchised Utah women with the Edmunds–Tucker Act, which was designed to weaken the Mormons politically and punish them for polygamy. In 1867-96, eastern activists promoted woman suffrage in Utah as an experiment, and as a way to eliminate polygamy. They were Presbyterians and other Protestants convinced that Mormonism was a non-Christian cult that grossly mistreated women.[40] The Mormons promoted woman suffrage to counter the negative image of downtrodden Mormon women. The Mormons dropped the polygamy requirement in 1890 and in 1895 Utah adopted a constitution restoring the right of woman suffrage. Congress admitted Utah as a state with that constitution in 1896.[41]"
And:
"In an age when many Protestant denominations were promoting "muscular Christianity" with a stress on social activism as part of the Social Gospel, the suffragists became involved as well.[17]"
Bible - 1 hit:
"Elizabeth Cady Stanton's strong opinions didn't always make her popular. One young woman from Seneca Falls refused to ride in the same carriage, saying, "I wouldn't have been seen with her for anything, with those ideas of hers." In 1851, she met 31-year-old Susan B. Anthony who, stung by discrimination against women in the temperance movement, gradually diverted her considerable energy to the cause of women's rights. Anthony emerged as a gifted organizer—Stanton, a sharp thinker. Together, they became a formidable partnership that would last until Stanton's writing of The Woman's Bible, a controversial work that alienated many suffrage activists in 1896."
Religion - 0 hits
Catholic - 2 hits
Here is the paragraph for one hit:
"The opposition to women's suffrage in the United States included organizations like the National Organization Against Women's Suffrage and women like Helen Kendrick Johnson. In New York, upper class women who thought they had a behind-the-scenes voice often opposed suffrage because it would dilute their influence. At first the anti-s let the men do the talking, but increasingly they adopted the mobilization techniques pioneered by the suffragists.[21] The antis easily won the 1915 New York State referendum, using the argument that women voters would close the saloons. But the suffragists won the 1917 referendum, arguing that the saloons were Germanic (at a time when Germany was hated); the Tammany Hall machine in New York City deserted the antis as well. Nationwide, male voters made the decision and the opposition was led by Southern white men (afraid that black women would vote), ethnic politicians (especially Catholics whose women were not allowed a political voice) and the liquor forces (who realized correctly that most women would vote dry.)[22][23]"
The other two:
"Politicians responded to the newly enlarged electorate by emphasizing issues of special interest to women, especially prohibition, child health, public schools, and world peace.[58] Women did respond to these issues, but in terms of general voting they shared the same outlook and the same voting behavior as men.[59]
The suffrage organization NAWSA became the League of Women Voters and Alice Paul's National Woman's Party began lobbying for full equality and the Equal Rights Amendment which would pass Congress during the second wave of the women's movement in 1972 (but it was not ratified and never took effect). The main surge of women voting came in 1928, when the big-city machines realized they needed the support of women to elect Al Smith, while rural dries mobilized women to support Prohibition and vote for Republican Herbert Hoover. Catholic women were reluctant to vote in the early 1920s, but they registered in very large numbers for the 1928 election--the first in which Catholicism was a major issue. [60] A few women were elected to office, but none became especially prominent during this time period. Overall, the women's rights movement was dormant in the 1920s as Susan B. Anthony and the other prominent activists were dead and apart from Alice Paul few younger women came along to replace them.
In states where women were allowed to vote, the passage of Prohibition laws has been determined to have been more likely.[61] In United States presidential elections, women's suffrage has been charged with changing the outcome of presidential elections. Barack Obama won both the male and female vote in 2008. [62]
It has been argued that without women's suffrage, the Republicans would have swept every election but one between 1968 and 1974. Another result of Women's suffrage is the steady rise of government spending between the 1920's and the present, as women are more risk averse than men and support "safety net" type income distribution and social welfare programs such as Medicare, Social Security, and public education. [63]
This came about in direct contradiction to what was expected by some writers prior to the passage of women's suffrage. In fact, it was stated by one opponent to suffrage that women voters would be "thriftier and less wasteful than men." [64]"
Not a whole lot going on in women's suffrage for something that made such a big impact, huh?
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Does morality exist without God? That is a good question. Firstly, everyone alive sins. No one is perfect.
It all comes down to can you treat people like they would like to be treated? And put others before yourself? I'm not completely sure non-Christians can do it, because some real Christians mess up too. Or is that just me? Lol, I know I have a lot of work to do when it comes to getting closer to God. Just do the right thing, no matter what.
God bless you all.
It all comes down to can you treat people like they would like to be treated? And put others before yourself? I'm not completely sure non-Christians can do it, because some real Christians mess up too. Or is that just me? Lol, I know I have a lot of work to do when it comes to getting closer to God. Just do the right thing, no matter what.
God bless you all.
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You speak as though christians are automatically either better than or at worst equal to non-christians.
Quite the humility you have there.
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Some Christians who say they are Christians, aren't Christians. I used to be an atheist. Real Christians are great people. Period.
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Well what I have noticed is god tends to do whatever the theists of that time want him to do. Funny how that works out.
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Some people who say they were atheists were never really atheists. True atheists are good people. Period.
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The answer NO. as God is LOVE, it isn;t a quality of the Lord but HE IS LOVE. And HIS LOVE CREATES and is productive. So when one loves and is concerned and helps another not just has the thought of helping but actually does do deeds of love for another, then they are accessing HIS LOVE.
Without LOVE, there is no morality.
Therefore even an supposed atheist who loves his neighbor is unbeknowingly using God's LOVE, which is why with acts of love, he or she can have morality.
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Love is an emotion, just like any other, and is a product of chemical/electrical reactions that take place within the human brain. We can see it and measure it. It has absolutely nothing to do with a god.
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Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo.
Completely wrong. I don't love my mailman but I've never thought of hurting and in fact, would not want harm to come him.
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marriage was started for man and a woman
so why are we re defining marriage with civil union??
hm hm
so why are we re defining marriage with civil union??
hm hm
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