Does morality exist without God?

[AGODBELIEVERlove1stfaith2]

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Does morality exist without God? Why would it?
OR/
Why would it not?
There is secular morality and there is God's morality.
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 56: 8-9


we can treat people who we can see with respect n treat GOD with disarray and

how can we treat each other with no love whom we see daily but loves GOD whom we can not

vice versa ,,,...
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[JustMeSee]

If no god ever made contact with humans, morality would have been created by humans.

 

[jayem]

Morality evolved along with humans. It's an inherent characteristic of our psychology. Just like it's a human characteristic to create gods.

 

[Autumnleaf]

Nothing exists without God.

 

[blarg the 2nd]

morality for you dosent exist becas eof god evne if god is ther and has its own you judge good and evil on your own

even the peole that claim to folow a god are choosing to consider that moral

 

[blarg the 2nd]

divine command theory worcks on a limited basis if god exists god gets to make up whats good and bad for god and nay cratin he slves into feeling the same way

 

[Autumnleaf]

divine command theory worcks on a limited basis if god exists god gets to make up whats good and bad for god and nay cratin he slves into feeling the same way

Weble wobles woble bu they don fal down.

God is like an engineer. He makes a television set and gives instructions for how to use it and care for it. If people choose to ignore those instructions then problems are more likely to happen to what God has made. Having free will separates us from television sets and cows. If we didn't have free will God would have no reason to give us instructions.

 

[Antarctika]

It seems that the answer has been found already.

If there is a God, then nothing would exist without him, that means, no humans, no morality, etc. (Whether God teaches us the moral standards we should use or whether we decide them by ourselves is another question.)

If there is no God, then morality exists without God.

 

[blarg the 2nd]

god may be a source of helpful and unhelpful tips but hes is not the one who detemrined whats good and bad unless you have no free will

 

[blarg the 2nd]

It seems that the answer has been found already.

If there is a God, then nothing would exist without him, that means, no humans, no morality, etc. (Whether God teaches us the moral standards we should use or whether we decide them by ourselves is another question.)

If there is no God, then morality exists without God.

not necisalry god could jsut be a powerfull bieng that did not create the universe an only claims to have done so asuming thers only one of em runing aorund or any of them of course

 

[Antarctika]

Obviously all of this is wholly dependent on how you define God.

I call God the cause of our universe.

 

[blarg the 2nd]

hmm old un caused cause never worcked for me if a god can just exist no gerentee other things cant as well

 

[TomZzyzx]

Does morality exist without God? Why would it?
OR/
Why would it not?
There is secular morality and there is God's morality.
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 56: 8-9

we can treat people who we can see with respect n treat GOD with disarray and

how can we treat each other with no love whom we see daily but loves GOD whom we can not

vice versa ,,,...
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If morality evolved with humans then the only morality you can have is a subjective, relativistic morality. Everyone's morality is what ever they say it is. One person thinks murder is wrong and another thinks murder is right. One thinks rape is wrong and one thinks rape is right. Moral relativism is a dangerous idea to hold.

 

[homeofmew]

The concept of Good and Evil only showed up when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

The only Sin they could commit was to eat of that tree, that's was the only boundary they had.

They did not realize they were naked until after they ate of the fruit.
So somewhere it became "bad" to be naked after they ate the fruit.
Before it was not "bad".

Later God gave the 10 commandments because people knew about good and evil. the 10 Commandments are how our behavior should be in a courteous way to others and to God.

Morality can be different from "right and wrong" though
Murdering someone could be different from someone's "morality".

In short morality is a standard of code someone believes what is right and what is wrong. They differ person to person, it is very rare we will agree on every point someone else has.

 

[blarg the 2nd]

If morality evolved with humans then the only morality you can have is a subjective, relativistic morality. Everyone's morality is what ever they say it is. One person thinks murder is wrong and another thinks murder is right. One thinks rape is wrong and one thinks rape is right. Moral relativism is a dangerous idea to hold.

syaing it dosent exist just becase it scares you or becase you hate the idea only suports it though

and a god sling comands dosent create universal morality it just glorifes one perosns subejectve vershion

 

[TomZzyzx]

The concept of Good and Evil only showed up when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

The only Sin they could commit was to eat of that tree, that's was the only boundary they had.

They did not realize they were naked until after they ate of the fruit.
So somewhere it became "bad" to be naked after they ate the fruit.
Before it was not "bad".

Later God gave the 10 commandments because people knew about good and evil. the 10 Commandments are how our behavior should be in a courteous way to others and to God.

Morality can be different from "right and wrong" though
Murdering someone could be different from someone's "morality".

In short morality is a standard of code someone believes what is right and what is wrong. They differ person to person, it is very rare we will agree on every point someone else has.

Like i said before, if every one differs as to what is right and wrong then someone can think murder is right. And the bad thing about that is if people are allowed to make up their own morality then no one can tell them that murder is wrong. This is why we need God's morality. We need an absolute right and wrong so everyone knows it is wrong to murder. God has given us this absolute morality. That's what the 10 commandments are, God's morality.

 

[TomZzyzx]

syaing it dosent exist just becase it scares you or becase you hate the idea only suports it though

and a god sling comands dosent create universal morality it just glorifes one perosns subejectve vershion

Again, I have no idea what your talking about. What doesn't exist? What scares me? God doing what with commands?

 

[Verv]

The argument is pretty simple:

(1) Many people believe in many different things on the topic of morality.
(2) There is no agree'd upon set of morality.
(3) There is no way to prove that something is moral or not.
(4) Thus, there is no real, true, absolute morality or sense thereof.

Unless, of course: there is God, and He has determined what is right and proper, or there is some sort of objective, intellectual thing that we can point to.

This is one of the oldest and most basic debates.

 

[Freodin]

The argument is pretty simple:

(1) Many people believe in many different things on the topic of morality.
(2) There is no agree'd upon set of morality.
(3) There is no way to prove that something is moral or not.
(4) Thus, there is no real, true, absolute morality or sense thereof.

Unless, of course: there is God, and He has determined what is right and proper, or there is some sort of objective, intellectual thing that we can point to.

This is one of the oldest and most basic debates.

If there was indeed a real, true, absolute morality, then the very existence of different moralities would mean that the cause of morality cannot be the cause of everything else.

 

[Beechwell]

It seems that the answer has been found already.

If there is a God, then nothing would exist without him, that means, no humans, no morality, etc. (Whether God teaches us the moral standards we should use or whether we decide them by ourselves is another question.)

If there is no God, then morality exists without God.

I used to take that stance, too. But come to think of it, if God exists and gave humans free will (which I assume means we are not somehow subconsciously led by God), then morality (other than that of the 10 commandments and Jesus of Nazaret at least) can not be made by God.
Morality is arguable part of human behaviour, or human nature even. Even people who have never heard of the Bible have some kind of morality, and one that is at its core similar to ours. Commands to not steal and not kill (outsire the law) are pretty much universal, and something humans pick up already in early childhood; maybe there is even a genetic basis for them.
So if morality is part of human nature, and humans have free will, then I would say morality as such is definitely not God-made.

Of course one can still argue that the morality of the bible is God-made. But noone can deny that moralty exists outside of the Christian/Muslim/Jewish community.

@Tom: Maybe I can not prove that something is moral or not, but that lies in the nature of morality. How would one even go about proving something concerning morality. You certainly can't prove that "God's" morality is the true morality for humans. As Isaiah said: "[God's] ways are not your ways."

However, I think that when we discover universal moral traits present in all cultures, then we do get closer to a universal, objective morality.