Actually Gates was agnostic. In an interview with David Frost in 1995 (you can find this with a simple web search) Gates said: "In terms of doing things I take a fairly scientific approach to why things happen and how they happen. I don't know if there's a god or not, but I think religious principles are quite valid."
Does an atheist not know if there is a god? Do you question this fact, Dave? Or are you sure that there is no god? (Perhaps you are agnostic too?)
Actually, going by that statement, yes, he is an Atheist. He may or may not be Agnostic as well, as the two are not mutually exclusive.
However a Theist is someone who has accepted a god claim. An Atheist is someone who has not accepted a god claim. If you don't know if there's a god or not, then you have not accepted a god claim. You are by definition an Atheist... and the vast majority of Atheists fall under this specific category.
I also fall under this category, I can't assert there is no God. I'm open to the possibility one may exist, but given a lack of evidence to show there is one, I can't accept the claim. If evidence comes up that shows God exists, I am open minded to the idea.
But anyway, to your post: what does it matter if most scientists are atheists? (A statement you can't prove, btw.) Does that make God disappear? Gee, perhaps there really is a babel fish and *poof*.....
I'd be going off polls, for example, 93% of the National Academy of Sciences do not believe in a Personal God. Some segments of the scientific community are more or less religious than others... however typically the "higher sciences" (for lack of a better word), like Biology, Physics and whatnot tend to be extremely atheistic.
But absolutely not, just because a bunch of smart people don't believe in God doesn't mean it's not true. But your point had nothing to do with that.
Your point had to do with casting pearls to Atheists, and not accepting the help of an non-believer. I was merely pointing out you are currently using the result of the efforts of many non-believers.
Well one very renown scientist made the collective scientific community's jaw drop when he, Francis Collins, director of the human genome project, turned from atheist to Christian because the very science that he was studying and developing pointed to only one conclusion: it must have been created by a God outside of what we call time--
Francis Collins is indeed a renowned scientist, and contributed much to the study of the Human Genome. However, he also freely admits that his religion is incompatible with science, he rejects intelligent design and admits he believes on faith alone as Science does not support a belief in God or creationism.
I guess this relates in a way to my first response... just because some people are smart, it doesn't mean they're always correct.
The Big Bang: out of nothingness, the universe came into being. That cries out for explanation, since we have not observed nature to create itself . . . it causes us to postulate a creator, and the creator must be outside of time or you haven't solved the problem.
The Big Bang Theory does not state the universe came into being out of nothingness. This is common a misrepresentation among intelligent design advocates.
But oh well. You say most are atheist (unproven); some are not. So what? God still exists. You will deny that. So what? God still exists. And since God created the doctors and the medicine that they use it doesn't matter if we go see them because the "council" that we seek from the (btw, the last doctor I went to was Christian) is not council of faith, but rather council for medicine. Your logic that even if I went to an atheist doctor that I was being inconsistent is flawed from the beginning.
It's not inconsistent at all, because your initial post was about his christian friend accepting council from an Atheist as reason for his business going under. So you clearly meant it in other ways than faith. It's you who are arguing inconsistent points.
And you can't prove God exists either.
And who cares whether Gates is atheist or agnostic. I run bible software on my computer and it has learned from it, and my computer ... is saved?....no, it is still an inanimate object that cannot give me "council" if it tried. And I don't use an iPod, a Mac or an iPad -- so Jobs had no effect on me. But the Windows Phone I use, the Windows operating system I have, and the Microsoft Visual Studio application that I use to write Christian web sites, on which I sell Christian homeschool books ... well, I can't remember the last time I asked any of these things for "ungodly advice." Nope. Your argument falls on its face.
As my above point states... you clearly meant things outside of faith in your original post.
His Christian Friend's business went under because he accepted the help of an Atheist. Well, you're using a product designed by an Atheist to run your business... you're not doing much different than his friend was. Does that mean your business is ultimately doomed too?
We covered it Dave: God created ALL things -- including the iMac and the electrons that run through it and make it work. So in the end, it is all God's anyway. But then again, that makes you inconsistent: you say you are atheist and then use things (ALL things!) that are created by the God that you don't even believe in.
Close your eyes, Dave. Wish Him away. Open....nope, He's still there.
Try it again: hold your breath. Make a wish. Exhale.
He's still there.
You can't prove any god created anything, much less your god.
Making blind assertions and expecting them to have any impact on me is kinda silly to be honest. There is no evidence to support your claims at all, so you may as well be arguing for Zeus. If you actually have evidence, please show it.
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