My post was about IQ, not knowledge. IQ is a measure that (supposedly) doesn't depend on a person's knowledge (but in reality does a little). IQ can be increased, though mostly during early development.
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And this is why some have said that they "know" intelligence develops after birth. Acquired knowledge can be measured to increase, but not intelligence.
My post was about IQ, not knowledge. IQ is a measure that (supposedly) doesn't depend on a person's knowledge (but in reality does a little). IQ can be increased, though mostly during early development.
If we define God as existence itself -- not its other participants, either individually or as a sum -- then morality could not exist without God.
And if we don't define existence itself as God, but simply refer to it as the natural universe, then morality could exist without God.
Well this little tangent is interesting. Giving an IQ test to an infant wouldn't yield meaningful results, nor would it to someone just learning to read. The same person devouring every bit of reading they could would then score much higher, but there's nothing to indicate their intelligence actually increased.
You´d get there even easier if you´d simply define God as the source of morality or morality itself.If we define God as existence itself -- not its other participants, either individually or as a sum -- then morality could not exist without God.
Of course it does. I might argue that my sense of morality is stronger than that of many Christians because I have chosen for myself, for my own reasons, to treat people well and to be a good person, with no promise of heaven or fear of hell to encourage me.
Of course it does. I might argue that my sense of morality is stronger than that of many Christians because I have chosen for myself, for my own reasons, to treat people well and to be a good person, with no promise of heaven or fear of hell to encourage me.
To make someone choose "good" for fear of "damnation" or death is not morality by choice.
Hmmm, does this not seem to contradict Proverbs 16:6?
"by the fear of the LORD [men] depart from evil."
Don't get me wrong, Love is a more excellent way! But when confronted with temptation, fearing God's Judgment as a means of firming up conviction is definitely the Holy Spirit in action, consistent with Isaiah 12:
"the LORD JEHOVAH [is] my strength and [my] song; he also is become my salvation. Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation. And in that day shall ye say, Praise the LORD, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted.
Sing unto the LORD; for he hath done excellent things: this [is] known in all the earth. Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion: for great [is] the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee."
Well I agree that the very existance of hell and its mentioning at all, are enough to convincingly claim that anything a christian does is (at least) in part motivated by the desire to not end up in hell.Nice! Yet there remain elements of both:
Proverbs 15:24 The way of life [is] above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath."
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