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Does morality exist without God?

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You can "be something" and still feel inspiration without belief that these symbols are real. Why believe them as literal entities, beings, whatever?

Because that is simply what I believe. I feel them in my heart. Now, you might think that is rather ridiculous. I can not "prove" them to be real. But my point was that I would rather believe in them and find them false, then not believed. That is simply due to the inspiration they give me. The inspiration is quite real.

Some people are different. Some heathens believe them to be truly only symbolic. Others believe them to be actual, literal deities. I see them as being literal. If you choose to believe differently, then so be it. I don't frown on differing beliefs or atheism. To each his own.
 
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Because that is simply what I believe. I feel them in my heart. Now, you might think that is rather ridiculous. I can not "prove" them to be real. But my point was that I would rather believe in them and find them false, then not believed. That is simply due to the inspiration they give me. The inspiration is quite real.

Just for the record, I don't think belief in deities is ridiculous. I find inspiration even on old Twilight Zone episodes but I know they're not real. The inspiration is real but not the stories.

Some people are different. Some heathens believe them to be truly only symbolic. Others believe them to be actual, literal deities. I see them as being literal. If you choose to believe differently, then so be it. I don't frown on differing beliefs or atheism. To each his own.

People are indeed different, but I see you seem to be unwilling to elaborate on your beliefs. Why is that?
 
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Just for the record, I don't think belief in deities is ridiculous. I find inspiration even on old Twilight Zone episodes but I know they're not real. The inspiration is real but not the stories.



People are indeed different, but I see you seem to be unwilling to elaborate on your beliefs. Why is that?

For the first part, I see how you can find inspiration without believing in the gods (or a single god). That is really simply on the individual if they feel that it is truly real or not. But the gods are not a TV series. Or in a book for that matter.

For the second, I am not unwilling at all to elaborate. If you have an honest question, I'll give an honest answer. Though if you are interested in what Asatru/Heathenry/Odinism teaches, you can find more formal sources online.

Here is probably the best:
Asatru Folk Assembly - Home

But by all means, if you have a question, don't hesitate to ask.
 
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HeathenWarrior said:
For the first part, I see how you can find inspiration without believing in the gods (or a single god). That is really simply on the individual if they feel that it is truly real or not. But the gods are not a TV series. Or in a book for that matter.

For the second, I am not unwilling at all to elaborate. If you have an honest question, I'll give an honest answer. Though if you are interested in what Asatru/Heathenry/Odinism teaches, you can find more formal sources online.

Here is probably the best:
Asatru Folk Assembly - Home

But by all means, if you have a question, don't hesitate to ask.

Believe or not, I am very interested in how people decide what is true and what isn't. I know my method but it makes me curious how others come to gain knowledge.

How did you come to accept deities as real?
 
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They inspire me to be virtuous. Even if they were only meaningful symbols, then that is still better than being nothing at all. I may be able to be honorable without them, but I feel great inspiration from them. Simply put, to each his own.

Isn't that kind of the point of, say, parables? It doesn't matter whether the events in a parable are actually true, but rather the lesson learned or value taught.
 
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Believe or not, I am very interested in how people decide what is true and what isn't. I know my method but it makes me curious how others come to gain knowledge.

How did you come to accept deities as real?

I sometimes wonder that myself...how people come to decide things as true that is.

To abridge the story a bit, I used to Christian. I still think Christ existed, but christianity has seemingly forgotten Christ. I always found the idea of one totalitarian god rather uneasy, as there is no such thing as a benevolent dictator. I simply could not stomach that there was only one god, and that a world view that came from some place in the desert was the all-encompassing truth of all.

I found Asatru through searching various sources. I found it rather appealing, the code of it, the feel of it. I had never been the "bow your head, and be a sheep" type. I found that my ancestry came from northern and western Europe, and thus, the gods of Asatru were actually the gods of my ancestors before Christianity used the sword and fire to try and destroy it.

Now, as for believing them to be real, well, I can go off personal experience a bit. When I pray to the gods, I feel as if someone is listening. I will not say that everything is answered, but I feel that someone is at least picking up the phone and letting you speak your request. My first prayers were answered rather greatly. And I continue to feel a kinship with the gods. After all, I identify with them far more than the deity of Israel.

All that may not be very convincing. I am not really a good apologist. That is not really what I aim for. I do not think one can accept things like that as real without at least some faith. And to be honest, that is enough for me. If they are indeed fake, then I still lived my life with as much honor as I could. I can die with a smile on my face with that thought. Whatever inspires you to live nobly is acceptable to me.

I hope that can at least somewhat answer your question.

PS: Want a little fun fact? The god Yahweh, the one that Judea-Christians usually call their deity and claim he is the only god, is actually the Hebrew Storm god from the original pantheon. He was essentially "upgraded".
 
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Isn't that kind of the point of, say, parables? It doesn't matter whether the events in a parable are actually true, but rather the lesson learned or value taught.

Perhaps. I don't really fret about such things. If the gods aren't real, then I still have nothing to worry about. I lived, fought, and died with as much nobility and honor as I could. That is enough for me.
 
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Perhaps. I don't really fret about such things. If the gods aren't real, then I still have nothing to worry about. I lived, fought, and died with as much nobility and honor as I could. That is enough for me.
Well, it could turn out that you have worshiped the shell instead of the essence.
 
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many jews are still looking for the messiah


is it not strange king herod knew the king child would be born


but as jesus grew older he was hated n was despised for proclaiming to be the MESSIAH
 
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many jews are still looking for the messiah
Indeed. According to them, Jesus did not fulfil the requirements of Messiah.

is it not strange king herod knew the king child would be born
No - in the narrative of the New Testament, there were beings who foretold his birth. There is nothing to suggest this actually happened, of course.

but as jesus grew older he was hated n was despised for proclaiming to be the MESSIAH
It's a rather extraordinary thing to claim. Nowadays, he'd be condemned a lunatic.
 
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is it not strange king herod knew the king child would be born
Of course, there are NO extrabiblical documents confirming this, nor are there any documents ANYWHERE that report the slaughter of ALL male children under two!

So, yes, it is strange that this is reported to be so ONLY in the Bible. :thumbsup:
 
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homosexuality
rape
murder
disobedience to parents
and etc are on the increase





why if a person condemns a thing ie homosexuality//
that person is labelled homophobic or a bigot


therefore is GOD, THE CREATOR homophobic too..??

geeess he created humans ...
 
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"Without God the world would go crazy!"

"Look they don't have god and they're crazy!"

"Look they don't have god but they innately know good from evil, god put morality in us to ensure we didn't go crazy!"


Geez.. Will you guys make your minds up! I'm getting dizzy!
 
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The answer to the OP is a resounding YES! In fact most religions practice and or preach immoral things anyway. Killing disobedient children is one that comes to mind amongst the myriads of others!

If you're referring to Judaism, (Christianity never had any such mandate) they never practiced that. Don't let me rob your enjoyment of playing with your strawmen though. Isn't it about time you outgrew playing with dolls?
 
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Nowadays, he'd be condemned a lunatic.

Apparently you missed it, but that's essentially why Jesus was executed. Here you are giving your consenting opinion to that verdict, and ultimately we will each decide He was either deserving of His death as a criminal, or died in our stead.
 
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