Does morality exist without God?

[Hakan101]

Amazing. After only one day, what do I come back to find from you? I find multiple pages of baseless claims and personal attacks directed at me. You really are something. Just who is denigrating whom here?

I also can’t help but notice that not once do you provide any evidence to support your claims or beliefs and you evade every request to do so.

Of course he is ignoring your requests, don't you see what he's saying? He says you've already decided to reject the evidence Christians offer, you're only asking for evidence so you can shoot it down and belittle Christians' beliefs.

 

[quatona]

Of course he is ignoring your requests, don't you see what he's saying? He says you've already decided to reject the evidence Christians offer, you're only asking for evidence so you can shoot it down and belittle Christians' beliefs.

For all bystanders, would you be willing to give a summarizing list of the evidence that you feel he has decided to reject?

 

[chris4243]

But if the conclusions are contradictory only one answer can be correct. If only there were a way to verify which conclusion is correct and which isn't...

Yeah, too bad there isn't (except for tautologies, which are boring).

 

[chris4243]

Of course he is ignoring your requests, don't you see what he's saying? He says you've already decided to reject the evidence Christians offer, you're only asking for evidence so you can shoot it down and belittle Christians' beliefs.

So you're saying his claimed evidence won't stand up to scrutiny?

 

[razeontherock]

But if the conclusions are contradictory only one answer can be correct. If only there were a way to verify which conclusion is correct and which isn't...

When dealing with material things this holds true. That is not the subject under discussion here.

 

[Tinker Grey]

When dealing with material things this holds true. That is not the subject under discussion here.

What are you saying? That contradictory non-material things can both be true?

 

[razeontherock]

What are you saying? That contradictory non-material things can both be true?

Heh. I guess that clarification might actually need to be made. Let me take a stab at it:

Material things - water either boils at the boiling point of mercury, or at the boiling point of water. Simple right-wrong answer.

Morality, ethics, Scriptural understanding / interpretation and many other things that might be grouped under an umbrella like "Spirituality," or your label of choice -

not so much. Not that outright contradictory things can both be true, but there are seemingly limitless possible takes on many things, all of which can simultaneously be true, or valid, or acceptable ...

 

[quatona]

Morality, ethics, Scriptural understanding / interpretation and many other things that might be grouped under an umbrella like "Spirituality," or your label of choice -

not so much. Not that outright contradictory things can both be true, but there are seemingly limitless possible takes on many things, all of which can simultaneously be true, or valid, or acceptable ...

I wouldn´t have expected you of all singing the praise of subjectivism.

 

[razeontherock]

I don't believe I am. Do you know that, and are intentionally putting words in my mouth? Or does it really seem like that to you because you see no other possibility? Time will tell.

 

[quatona]

I don't believe I am. Do you know that, and are intentionally putting words in my mouth? Or does it really seem like that to you because you see no other possibility?

The latter: That´s what your post clearly indicated to me.
Feel free to clarify.

 

[AGODBELIEVERlove1stfaith2]

evil is consistent ...


so therefore righteous will still prevail ...

yes??!!

 

[AGODBELIEVERlove1stfaith2]

comments please

 

[Wiccan_Child]

comments please

I barely understand the post. Could you rephrase?

 

[selfinflikted]

Same for me. I didn't understand.

 

[sandwiches]

not so much. Not that outright contradictory things can both be true, but there are seemingly limitless possible takes on many things, all of which can simultaneously be true, or valid, or acceptable ...

Speaking of contradictory statements...

So, can contradictory, non-material claims be simultaneously true?

 

[AGODBELIEVERlove1stfaith2]

two wrongs cant make a right



but why 2 negatives make a positive?

Speaking of contradictory statements...

So, can contradictory, non-material claims be simultaneously true?

 

[SithDoughnut]

two wrongs cant make a right

but why 2 negatives make a positive?

Because one is subjective morality and one is objective mathematics. There is a difference between language and reality - links in the former may not exist in the latter.

 

[chris4243]

two wrongs cant make a right



but why 2 negatives make a positive?

Because wrongs are additive instead of multiplicative.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

two wrongs cant make a right



but why 2 negatives make a positive?

Because incarcerating someone against their will is in general wrong - unless it's to punish them, then it's generally OK. Two wrongs make a right. because some evils are lesser than others, making them preferable.

 

[Tergle]

Why would it?
OR/
Why would it not?
There is secular morality and there is God's morality.
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 56: 8-9


we can treat people who we can see with respect n treat GOD with disarray and

how can we treat each other with no love whom we see daily but loves GOD whom we can not

vice versa ,,,...

The answer regarding the OP is NO.

See:

"A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, -- a mere heart of stone."​

- Charles Darwin
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Remember the Nazi's and Communist Russians?
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