Does Modern Science Align with the Bible?

[BNR32FAN]

@BNR32FAN Looks like you still don't understand that wide angle and fish eye lenses are what create curved horizons...but here's a video with no special lens which reaches ~75,000 Feet:

I’ve been telling you that the whole time. Wide angle lenses are a fish eyed lens with less of a curve to it. That’s why a fish eyed lens is also called an ultra wide angle lens because it’s an extreme wide angle lens. That’s why the videos you keep posting are inconclusive because as I showed you with the screenshots I posted from your videos every single one of them show the horizon at both concave and convex curves which means the image is being distorted. Now look at what you said previously about wide angle and fish eye lenses and what I said when I corrected you. Now your saying the complete opposite of what you said previously.

Do you know the difference between wide angle and fish-eye lens? The guy is using a wide angle lens which means it's a non fish-eye lens video.

Wrong again a wide angle lens is a fish eye lens with less of the fish eye effect. They’re both convex lenses but the wide angle lens has less of a convex to it than a fish eye lens. A fish eye lens is called an ultra wide lens.

Any lens between 35mm and 24mm is considered a wide angle camera lens. Anything between 24 mm and 18mm is considered an ultra wide angle lens. Below 18mm enters fisheye lens territory. Fisheye lenses are common in action sports, but in photography and film can cause unwanted wide angle lens distortion.

I know what the difference is, a wide angle lens has less distortion but still has distortion. A fish eye lens is simply an ultra wide lens. The screenshots I posted from your video prove that.

 

[Paul4JC]

Yeah, I saw what you posted the other day, What really are Stars?, and I know about mazzalah in 2Kgs 23:5, and in both cases I would not agree. However, if you would insist that planetes in Jude 1:13 is the correct world for modern planets, (since that probably is where the word planet came from), then it still wouldn't mean that planet earth is not a planet. The whole world lies in wickedness, (or the wicked one, 1 John 5:19).

Yes God will judge the wicked, exactly as Jude quoted Hanok. [Jde 1:14-15 NIV] Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

The funniest or strangest thing about the word planet is how a verb, wandering became a noun planet. What! The most obvious thing that most Christians want to avoid the subject, or sweep it under the rug, is that the Holy Bible and science don’t even come close to saying the same thing, rather the opposite.

“So called because they have apparent motion, unlike the "fixed" stars. Originally including also the moon and sun but not the Earth; modern scientific sense of "world that orbits a star" is from 1630s in English. The Greek word is an enlarged form of planes, planetos "who wanders around, wanderer," also "wandering star, planet," in medicine "unstable temperature."

planet | Etymology, origin and meaning of planet by etymonline

1 Enoch was Jude’s (Also Peter’s) source for some of what he was saying in Jude v6 and 13... And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, [Jde 1:6 NASB]

They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering(planétés*) stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever. [Jde 1:13 NIV]

1 Enoch 18:14-16 And there I beheld seven stars, like great blazing mountains, and like spirits entreating me. 15 Then the angel said, This place, until the consummation of heaven and earth, will be the prison of the stars, and the host of heaven. 16 The stars which roll over the fire are those which transgressed the commandment of God before their time arrived; for they came not in their proper season

1 Enoch 21:3 There, too, I beheld seven stars of heaven bound in it together, like great mountains, and like a blazing fire. I exclaimed, For what species of crime have they been bound, and why have they been removed to this place? Then Uriel, one of the holy angels who was with me, and who conducted me, answered: Enoch, wherefore do you ask; wherefore do you reason with yourself, and anxiously inquire? These are those of the stars which have transgressed the commandment of the most high God; and are here bound, until the infinite number of the days of their crimes be completed.

[1Pe 3:19-20a NIV] After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits-- 20 to those who were disobedient long ago...

*4107. planétés ►

Strong's Concordance
planétés: a wanderer
Original Word: πλανήτης, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: planétés
Definition: a wanderer
Usage: a wanderer.


The earth is not a wanderer, it is Biblically not a planet.


All 1 Enoch quotes from 1 Enoch: The Hermeneia Translation: Nickelsburg, George W.E.; VanderKam, James C..

 

[BNR32FAN]

@BNR32FAN Looks like you still don't understand that wide angle and fish eye lenses are what create curved horizons...but here's a video with no special lens which reaches ~75,000 Feet:

The horizon is not distinguishable because of the clouds. Again it’s inconclusive. But this video CLEARLY shows the horizon and the curvature of the earth while showing the straight lines on the space station in the same shot.

Look at these screenshots from this video

 

[BNR32FAN]

In post #147 I show how the Catholic "church" and the Eastern "church" all arbitrarily set the supposed date for the spring equinox so that Easter never is celebrated at the same time as Passover. Why would the Church be celebrating a pagan holiday? Don't believe me? Wel I'll let the pagans laugh you to scorn for your historical ignorance of their ways with this video and weblink:

Ostara - The Spring Equinox. A time of rebirth.

You'll see that these pagan holidays go back to Ishtar the goddess of the moon and queen of Babylon...who deified herself after having incestuous relations with her son...or maybe there's some folks here who think there's nothing wrong with letting your children participate in such things? Or more laughable and blasphemous still...there may be some who think the pagan origin of things is irrelevant so long as you splash the blood of Jesus Christ over it.

Because Paschal never falls on the same day each year. So they celebrate it on the first Sunday (The Lord’s Day) after Paschal.

 

[BNR32FAN]

So what do pagan worship and holidays, the nature of the earth, calendars, etc. have to do with modern "science"? I'm challenging everyone on this site--member or not--to expand their notion and concept of science by actually taking it's true etymology "knowledge" to actually ask:

Does Modern Knowledge [Science] Align with the Bible?

As we can see much of our modern knowledge is based in paganism which is why we don't see the world condemning it for it is not knowledge from God. Here's a link showing that our "modern" holydays are actually ancient pagan celebrations which ave never stopped being observed:

7 Pagan Festivals We Still Celebrate Today | Through Eternity Tours - Through Eternity Tours

What about your belief that Wisdom aka (Sophia) being a member of the Godhead? That’s a Gnostic belief.

 

[daq]

1 Enoch was Jude’s (Also Peter’s) source for some of what he was saying in Jude v6 and 13... And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, [Jde 1:6 NASB]

They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering(planétés*) stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever. [Jde 1:13 NIV]

Actually, at least imo, the entire epistle of Yhudah is a dissertation expounding the supernal understandings and teachings of Sefer Henok as per the instruction of the Meshiah in the Gospel accounts.

1 Enoch 18:14-16 And there I beheld seven stars, like great blazing mountains, and like spirits entreating me. 15 Then the angel said, This place, until the consummation of heaven and earth, will be the prison of the stars, and the host of heaven. 16 The stars which roll over the fire are those which transgressed the commandment of God before their time arrived; for they came not in their proper season

1 Enoch 21:3 There, too, I beheld seven stars of heaven bound in it together, like great mountains, and like a blazing fire. I exclaimed, For what species of crime have they been bound, and why have they been removed to this place? Then Uriel, one of the holy angels who was with me, and who conducted me, answered: Enoch, wherefore do you ask; wherefore do you reason with yourself, and anxiously inquire? These are those of the stars which have transgressed the commandment of the most high God; and are here bound, until the infinite number of the days of their crimes be completed.

I read these two passages as a restating of the same location after a pause in the narrative to introduce the seven holy Malakim who watch, (the seven eyes of the Almighty). The names of these seven Malakim are written in the heavens, at the end of the great vine in the heavens, which begins and ends with the Pleiades and the great constellation surrounding it. The name Serukael or Sarakael isn't found anywhere else but here in Henok, as far as I know of, and yet this name is found with the others written in the heavens, (soreq is a vine, and is spelled with a shin or shaddi, and all the letters of the ABGaD are connected like a great vine running through the heavens).

Sefer Henok 3B:12-26
[12] And we proceeded from there, and I saw a place that burns day and night, where there are seven mountains with precious stones: three eastward, and three southward.
[13] And the three mountains eastward: one with a glistening stone, one with pearl, and one with antimony, [silvery white], and the three mountains southward had a red stone.
[14] And the mountain in the midst of them reached unto the shamayim, like the throne of Elah, and it was of bright white alabaster, [crystalline white limestone] and the summit of the throne was of sapphire, and I beheld there a flaming fire.
[15] And beneath these mountains there was a region, the great extremities of the eretz, where the shamayim are consummated:
[16] And there in the depth I saw a cavern with columns of heavenly fire, and among them I saw columns of fire descending, which were not by measure in height and depth.
[17] And beyond that I saw an abyss having no firmament of the shamayim above, and no firmly stationed eretz beneath it: there was no water therein, and no flyers of the shamayim, and it was a desolate and terrible place.
[18] And I beheld therein seven stars, like great mountains burning with fire, and they were petitioning me, so I inquired concerning them.
[19] And a Watcher and the Holy One said, This place is the prison for the stars and host of the shamayim until the consummation of the shamayim and the eretz.
[20] And the turning stars of fire are those which have transgressed the command of the Great Holy One, the Most High, in the beginning of their rising: for they came not forth at their appointed times.
[21] And the Absolute Master was angry with them, and bound them until the time when their trespass should be consummated, a myriad of turnings.
[22] And Uriel, one of the Watchers and the Holy One who was with me, said to me, Here will stand the stars who have intermixed themselves with women:
[23] For their spirits, assuming many different forms, are defiling the sons of the adam, and leading them astray into sacrificing unto demons as though they are Elohim.
[24] Here they will stand until the Day of the Great Judgment, in which they will be judged, when they will be brought to an end.
[25] And the daughters of the adam that went astray, with whom the stars intermixed their teachings, they will become siren songs of evil doctrines.
[26] And I, Ĥenok, alone saw this vision, and the consummations of all things: and no mortal of the adam will see it as I have seen it.

SEFER HENOK 4A:1-12
[01] And these are the Holy Elohim Watchers:
[02] Uriel, one of the Holy Malakim, over the Kosmos and Tartarus.
[03] Raphael, one of the Holy Malakim, over the spirits of the adam.
[04] Reuel, one of the Holy Malakim, judging the world of the luminaries.
[05] Mikael, one of the Holy Malakim, over the heart of the adam, Sar Tzaba.
[06] Sarukael, one of the Holy Malakim, over the spirits who sin against the Spirit.
[07] Gabriel, one of the Holy Malakim, over the Paradise, the Dragons, and the Krubim.
[08] Remiel, one of the Holy Malakim, whom Elah set over those who rise.
[09] And we continued at the place of desolation, and I beheld that terrible thing: neither the shamayim above nor a firmly stationed eretz below, and it was desolate and terrible.
[10] And I beheld the seven stars of the shamayim bound together therein, like great mountains burning with fire, and I said again, For what transgression are these bound?
[11] And Uriel, one of the Watchers and the Holy One who was with me, said to me, Ĥenok, why do you ask? and why are you so eager to learn the truth of this?
[12] These are of the number of the Star Malakim of the shamayim that transgressed the command of the Great Holy One, the Most High, and are bound here unto a myriad of turnings, the time resulting from their trespasses when they will be consummated.

Of particular importance to me was finding this description of the Gizeh Plateau in Sefer Henok.

 

[Humble Penny]

@BNR32FAN Ever heard of common sense? Hopefully this picture will help you to use more of it:

 

[Humble Penny]

Some more food for thought for ye globalists:

 

[daq]

The funniest or strangest thing about the word planet is how a verb, wandering became a noun planet. What! The most obvious thing that most Christians want to avoid the subject, or sweep it under the rug, is that the Holy Bible and science don’t even come close to saying the same thing, rather the opposite.

*4107. planétés ►

Strong's Concordance
planétés: a wanderer
Original Word: πλανήτης, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: planétés
Definition: a wanderer
Usage: a wanderer.


The earth is not a wanderer, it is Biblically not a planet.

The problem is not the scripture but, much like angelology, a problem brought about by way of the traditions of men. Moreover I do not have the problem you appear to have because I need not force the scripture to comply with words that were later invented by way of the traditions of men. Is it the fault of the scripture that men decided use the generic name planet for the planets in our solar system using a Greek word that means a wanderer, strayer, or transgressor?

I have no need to change the scripture to fit modern definitions of words borrowed from ancient times. Moreover the scripture does use planets as examples for bad and evil things as even the planet Venus is employed in Isaiah 14:3-27 in a prophecy against the king of Babylon and the Assyrian. It's quite obvious that the Prophet is not speaking of the literal heavenly body we know today as planet Venus, (the Septuagint translators were reading this passage as speaking of Venus and rendered εωσφορος, (heosphoros), in the text of Isaiah 14:12).

We see the same thing in the epistle of Yhudah and therefore Henok. As I said in my previous response, I see the entire epistle of Yhudah as expounding the supernal meaning and thinking contained in Sefer Henok. Henok isn't prophesying against literal-physical planets and stars and that's also obvious from both Sefer Henok and the epistle of Yhudah.

 

[Humble Penny]

The problem is not the scripture but, much like angelology, a problem brought about by way of the traditions of men. Moreover I do not have the problem you appear to have because I need not force the scripture to comply with words that were later invented by way of the traditions of men. Is it the fault of the scripture that men decided use the generic name planet for the planets in our solar system using a Greek word that means a wanderer, strayer, or transgressor?

I have no need to change the scripture to fit modern definitions of words borrowed from ancient times. Moreover the scripture does use planets as examples for bad and evil things as even the planet Venus is employed in Isaiah 14:3-27 in a prophecy against the king of Babylon and the Assyrian. It's quite obvious that the Prophet is not speaking of the literal heavenly body we know today as planet Venus, (the Septuagint translators were reading this passage as speaking of Venus and rendered εωσφορος, (heosphoros), in the text of Isaiah 14:12).

We see the same thing in the epistle of Yhudah and therefore Henok. As I said in my previous response, I see the entire epistle of Yhudah as expounding the supernal meaning and thinking contained in Sefer Henok. Henok isn't prophesying against literal-physical planets and stars and that's also obvious from both Sefer Henok and the epistle of Yhudah.

You clearly haven't done your etymological homework:

The translators of the LXX and Vaticanus definitely knew what was being talked about here...while you're correct that the prophecy of Isaiah was hinting at Satan and not the literal planet Venus: this literal planet ["wanderer] is a clear allusion to Satan who wandered from the circuit God gave him. The luminaries are a clear lesson on the characteristics of the righteous and the wicked.

 

[daq]

You clearly haven't done your etymological homework:

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The translators of the LXX and Vaticanus definitely knew what was being talked about here...while you're correct that the prophecy of Isaiah was hinting at Satan and not the literal planet Venus: this literal planet ["wanderer] is a clear allusion to Satan who wandered from the circuit God gave him. The luminaries are a clear lesson on the characteristics of the righteous and the wicked.

I actually looked at and read the text. Are you saying the OG LXX is wrong?

Isaiah 14:12 OG LXX
12 πως εξεπεσεν εκ του ουρανου ο εωσφορος ο πρωι ανατελλων συνετριβη εις την γην ο αποστελλων προς παντα τα εθνη

I'm pretty sure the later versions of the LXX, such as found in the Apostolic Polyglot, say the same. Moreover Venus has been know as both the morning and the evening star because of its appearance at both times. Heosphoros is just another name for Phosphoros but the LXX doesn't use that name here so I posted the name as found in what I read in the actual text.

Hesperus - Wikipedia
"Hesperus is the personification of the "evening star", the planet Venus in the evening. His name is sometimes conflated with the names for his brother, the personification of the planet as the "morning star" Eosphorus (Greek Ἐωσφόρος, "bearer of dawn") or Phosphorus (Ancient Greek: Φωσφόρος, "bearer of light", often translated as "Lucifer" in Latin), since they are all personifications of the same planet Venus. "Heosphoros" in the Greek Septuagint and "Lucifer" in Jerome's Latin Vulgate were used to translate the Hebrew "Helel" (Venus as the brilliant, bright or shining one), "son of Shahar (Dawn)" in the Hebrew version of Isaiah 14:12."
Hesperus - Wikipedia

I appreciate you showing everyone once again that you do not know what you are talking about.

 

[Humble Penny]

I actually looked at and read the text. Are you saying the OG LXX is wrong?

Isaiah 14:12 OG LXX
12 πως εξεπεσεν εκ του ουρανου ο εωσφορος ο πρωι ανατελλων συνετριβη εις την γην ο αποστελλων προς παντα τα εθνη

I'm pretty sure the later versions of the LXX, such as found in the Apostolic Polyglot, say the same. Moreover Venus has been know as both the morning and the evening star because of its appearance at both times. Heosphoros is just another name for Phosphoros but the LXX doesn't use that name here so I posted the name as found in what I read in the actual text.

Hesperus - Wikipedia
"Hesperus is the personification of the "evening star", the planet Venus in the evening. His name is sometimes conflated with the names for his brother, the personification of the planet as the "morning star" Eosphorus (Greek Ἐωσφόρος, "bearer of dawn") or Phosphorus (Ancient Greek: Φωσφόρος, "bearer of light", often translated as "Lucifer" in Latin), since they are all personifications of the same planet Venus. "Heosphoros" in the Greek Septuagint and "Lucifer" in Jerome's Latin Vulgate were used to translate the Hebrew "Helel" (Venus as the brilliant, bright or shining one), "son of Shahar (Dawn)" in the Hebrew version of Isaiah 14:12."
Hesperus - Wikipedia

I appreciate you showing everyone once again that you do not know what you are talking about.

Actually I never said that they were different stars instead I was pointing out the fact that the words used for Venus were perfect descriptions for it as they described the rise and fall of Satan. And on top of that I was pointing out your error, rather dismissive attitude of the proper usage of planet, brother @Paul4JC was correct in stating that earth is nowhere defined Scripturally as a planet.

While you're correct in stating that the people of the earth "wander", as they are made from the earth, you're incorrect in concluding that because people wander (i.e. sin) therefore the literal earth must also "wander"...and this is absolutely false as may be proven in the creation account.

On Day 1 God made the heavens and the earth and the seas:

• Heavens above the earth.
• Earth below the heavens.
• Waters under the earth.

From this we may infer that the earth was not given any movement as it is placed in the midst of the waters under the firmament. On Day 4 Moses tells us that God placed the luminaries in the firmament to give light upon the earth. Seeing that the light during the day fades to night we can draw an inference and state that this is because the light is moving across the sky, and because this is so the luminaries move with it; in like fashion the darkness moves across the sky and the Moon and stars move along with it. This does not include the numerous scriptures which speak of the rising and setting of the luminaries.

 

[Humble Penny]

What about your belief that Wisdom aka (Sophia) being a member of the Godhead? That’s a Gnostic belief.

All you need to do is read Scripture brother...God's Word is not difficult to understand if you allow it to speak to you:

"Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.' God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Genesis 1:26-27 NASB1995

"Then the Lord God said, 'Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever'—"
Genesis 3:22 NASB1995

If God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are referred to as males (i.e. He) the who is female (i.e. She)? Wisdom:

"Does not wisdom call, And understanding lift up her voice?
'The Lord possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old. From everlasting I was established, From the beginning, from the earliest times of the earth.
When there were no depths I was brought forth, when there were no springs abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills I was brought forth; while He had not yet made the earth and the fields, nor the first dust of the world.
When He established the heavens, I was there, when He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep, when He made firm the skies above, when the springs of the deep became fixed, when He set for the sea its boundary so that the water would not transgress His command, when He marked out the foundations of the earth; then I was beside Him, as a master workman; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him, rejoicing in the world, His earth, and having my delight in the sons of men.'"​

Proverbs 8:1‭, ‬22‭-‬31 NASB1995

Why do you think Jesus is the New Adam and the Church is the new Eve? Well duh...God doesn't promote hermaphrodites!

 

[daq]

Actually I never said that they were different stars instead I was pointing out the fact that the words used for Venus were perfect descriptions for it as they described the rise and fall of Satan.

You said I had not done my "etymological homework".
You were wrong.

And on top of that I was pointing out your error, rather dismissive attitude of the proper usage of planet, brother @Paul4JC was correct in stating that earth is nowhere defined Scripturally as a planet.

It was not an error just because you decide it to be so. As I already explained to Paul: the scripture doesn't use the word planet anywhere to describe the planets in our solar system. This also falls under the category of "etymological homework" and yet neither of you seem to be able to accept this fact or understand the fact that planet is a later invention of the modern era. Again, it is not the fault of scripture that this happened after the fact: and to alter scripture just because you do not wish to accept the reality that this did happen just shows where your true loyalty lies, that is, you own privately held paradigm.

While you're correct in stating that the people of the earth "wander", as they are made from the earth, you're incorrect in concluding that because people wander (i.e. sin) therefore the literal earth must also "wander"...and this is absolutely false as may be proven in the creation account.

That isn't actually what I said but you do not understand that man is adamah and eretz in the scripture, (and thus your interpretations of the opening creation account).

On Day 1 God made the heavens and the earth and the seas:

• Heavens above the earth.
• Earth below the heavens.
• Waters under the earth.

From this we may infer that the earth was not given any movement as it is placed in the midst of the waters under the firmament. On Day 4 Moses tells us that God placed the luminaries in the firmament to give light upon the earth. Seeing that the light during the day fades to night we can draw an inference and state that this is because the light is moving across the sky, and because this is so the luminaries move with it; in like fashion the darkness moves across the sky and the Moon and stars move along with it. This does not include the numerous scriptures which speak of the rising and setting of the luminaries.

If the earth does not move according to your strictly literal-physical interpretation of all the verses you previously quoted then neither do the sun and moon move. This is the problem with all of your strictly literal-physical interpretations of the scripture and what allows you to believe the things you believe. However you don't study the languages or you would know better: it's either that or you do not care about all the contradictions you create with the rest of scripture.

1 Chronicles 16:30 KJV
30 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.

Psalms 93:1 KJV
1 The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.

Psalms 96:10 KJV
10 Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.

Psalms 104:5 KJV
5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

Wow, proves a stationary earth that cannot move, right? Isn't that what you said about these types of scripture statements?

This being the case, since flat earthers always use these and other such passages as their proof texts, it is therefore perfectly clear that flat-earthers believe king David never moved either, and that the saints and the righteous cannot move either: either that or such people are extremely scripture illiterate or they do not care about the contradictions they create so long as the scripture is perverted enough to force-fit their theories into it.

Psalms 16:8 KJV
8 I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.

Psalms 21:7 KJV
7 For the king trusteth in the LORD, and through the mercy of the most High he shall not be moved.

Psalms 62:6 KJV
6 He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved.

Psalms 112:6 KJV
5 A good man sheweth favour, and lendeth: he will guide his affairs with discretion.
6 Surely he shall not be moved for ever: the righteous shall be in everlasting remembrance.

And lookey here: according to the flat earth interpreters of the scripture the righteous even have literal roots in the ground that cannot be moved!

Proverbs 12:3 KJV
3 A man shall not be established by wickedness: but the root of the righteous shall not be moved.

Moreover the typical word for stable and established in the passages you use for making your claims is kuwn-tikkown, (and foundation, as in Psalms 104:5, is makown). Yet these are also used for the sun and moon.

1 Chronicles 16:30 KJV
30 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, [H3559 kuwn (tkuwn)] that it be not moved.

Psalms 74:16 TS2009
16 The day is Yours, the night is Yours too, You have established [H3559 kuwn] the light and the sun.

Psalms 89:35-37 KJV
35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
37 It shall be established [H3559 kuwn] for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.

So according to the flat earther interpretation of the scripture the earth is established, immovable, and cannot move: the sun is established, immovable, and cannot move: the moon is established, immovable, and cannot move: and the righteous have roots that are established, immovable, and the righteous also therefore cannot move. The whole universe is locked down except for the evil wandering Lucifer planets in the rest of our solar system.

 

[Humble Penny]

You said I had not done my "etymological homework".
You were wrong.

It was not an error just because you decide it to be so. As I already explained to Paul: the scripture doesn't use the word planet anywhere to describe the planets in our solar system. This also falls under the category of "etymological homework" and yet neither of you seem to be able to accept this fact or understand the fact that planet is a later invention of the modern era. Again, it is not the fault of scripture that this happened after the fact: and to alter scripture just because you do not wish to accept the reality that this did happen just shows where your true loyalty lies, that is, you own privately held paradigm.

Venus is well known to be a planet and Scripture speaks of it in Isaiah...which is clearly what the LXX was referring to in describing the rise and fall of Satan.

That isn't actually what I said but you do not understand that man is adamah and eretz in the scripture, (and thus your interpretations of the opening creation account).

I mix water, lemon, and sugar to make lemonade: since lemonade is made up of water it must therefore be water!
daq logic

God made man from the dust of the ground: therefore man must therefore be the earth!
daq logic

God took the rib from the man and made a woman: therefore woman must therefore be the man's rib!
...also daq logic

If the earth does not move according to your strictly literal-physical interpretation of all the verses you previously quoted then neither do the sun and moon move. This is the problem with all of your strictly literal-physical interpretations of the scripture and what allows you to believe the things you believe. However you don't study the languages or you would know better: it's either that or you do not care about all the contradictions you create with the rest of scripture.

1 Chronicles 16:30 KJV
30 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.

Psalms 93:1 KJV
1 The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.

Psalms 96:10 KJV
10 Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.

Psalms 104:5 KJV
5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

Wow, proves a stationary earth that cannot move, right? Isn't that what you said about these types of scripture statements?

This being the case, since flat earthers always use these and other such passages as their proof texts, it is therefore perfectly clear that flat-earthers believe king David never moved either, and that the saints and the righteous cannot move either: either that or such people are extremely scripture illiterate or they do not care about the contradictions they create so long as the scripture is perverted enough to force-fit their theories into it.

Psalms 16:8 KJV
8 I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.

Psalms 21:7 KJV
7 For the king trusteth in the LORD, and through the mercy of the most High he shall not be moved.

Psalms 62:6 KJV
6 He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved.

Psalms 112:6 KJV
5 A good man sheweth favour, and lendeth: he will guide his affairs with discretion.
6 Surely he shall not be moved for ever: the righteous shall be in everlasting remembrance.

And lookey here: according to the flat earth interpreters of the scripture the righteous even have literal roots in the ground that cannot be moved!

Proverbs 12:3 KJV
3 A man shall not be established by wickedness: but the root of the righteous shall not be moved.

Moreover the typical word for stable and established in the passages you use for making your claims is kuwn-tikkown, (and foundation, as in Psalms 104:5, is makown). Yet these are also used for the sun and moon.

1 Chronicles 16:30 KJV
30 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, [H3559 kuwn (tkuwn)] that it be not moved.

Psalms 74:16 TS2009
16 The day is Yours, the night is Yours too, You have established [H3559 kuwn] the light and the sun.

Psalms 89:35-37 KJV
35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
37 It shall be established [H3559 kuwn] for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.

So according to the flat earther interpretation of the scripture the earth is established, immovable, and cannot move: the sun is established, immovable, and cannot move: the moon is established, immovable, and cannot move: and the righteous have roots that are established, immovable, and the righteous also therefore cannot move. The whole universe is locked down except for the evil wandering Lucifer planets in the rest of our solar system.

Clearly the context of each of those passages is starting in short that what God has set in place will not be altered...which means that the wicked will never be able to rid the order God has placed in the world.

This doesn't contradict the earth not moving--with the exception of earthquakes and people moving around piles of earth--as the luminaries and planets do.

But you can believe in your false and biblically unsupported heliocentric model which says the Sun is a star...even though the Bible clearly distinguishes between the two as different things altogether; and your false god also teaches that the Sun is a "wanderer" although it's clear from nature that the Sun remains faithful to it's circuit.

 

[daq]

How sad...one would think that the disciples of the heliocentric model would at least bother to study the origins of their doctrines. What's worse is that believers in the body of Christ fall prey to these wolves in sheep's clothing....But I guess promoting pagan lies is "not a salvation issue?"

Therefore since the foundation is built upon lies the entire structure is also built upon lies. And for those who wish to continue to adhere to such falsehood will be continually found to breaking the Law of Moses which says: "Thou shalt not bear false witness."

And because of this you are convicted as a sinner and condemned to the lake of fire if you do not repent of your wickedness.

There is more in the Torah concerning bearing false witness which it appears you did not hear.

Deuteronomy 19:16-19 KJV
16 If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;
17 Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;
18 And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
19 Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.

 

[Humble Penny]

There is more in the Torah concerning bearing false witness which it appears you did not hear.

Deuteronomy 19:16-19 KJV
16 If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;
17 Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;
18 And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
19 Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.

Well since there's no appointed judges at the moment: we'll have to wait until the Millennial Kingdom.

 

[daq]

Venus is well known to be a planet and Scripture speaks of it in Isaiah...which is clearly what the LXX was referring to in describing the rise and fall of Satan.

Show me where Venus is called a planet in the scripture.

I mix water, lemon, and sugar to make lemonade: since lemonade is made up of water it must therefore be water!

Perfect example of flat earther logic.

God made man from the dust of the ground: therefore man must therefore be the earth!

Adam was taken from the adamah, which is soil, Genesis 2:7, Genesis 3:23.

God took the rib from the man and made a woman: therefore woman must therefore be the man's rib!

A rib in this sense is then called an iysh, like the iysh Gabriel, and it also means a member, portion, or part of something greater.

Clearly the context of each of those passages is starting in short that what God has set in place will not be altered...which means that the wicked will never be able to rid the order God has placed in the world.

This doesn't contradict the earth not moving--with the exception of earthquakes and people moving around piles of earth--as the luminaries and planets do.

I suppose this means you really don't care how many contradictions your theories force onto the scripture: I was hoping it wasn't that reason.

But you can believe in your false and biblically unsupported heliocentric model which says the Sun is a star...even though the Bible clearly distinguishes between the two as different things altogether; and your false god also teaches that the Sun is a "wanderer" although it's clear from nature that the Sun remains faithful to it's circuit.

Lol, circuit? that's another word found in statements you misuse which actually refute your theories. The word is chuwg, yes, the same word rendered in your favorite verse as a circle.

Job 22:14 KJV
14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.

Is it circuit or circle? It's the same word used for a circle in your favorite flat-earther verses. You seem to need a circle to be only a flat circle in your favorite flat-earther verses but that isn't only what it means and may not even be what it means at all.

In the above passage the author writes circuit or circle of the heavens but we know even from other passages you yourself have quoted herein that the heavens are spread out like a tent. What is like a tent and circular? A sphere, lol, or at least what is visible in the night sky, which would be called a hemisphere in modern terminology. All of your scripture proof texts are misapplied and misunderstood.

Job 22:14 YLT
14 Thick clouds are a secret place to Him, And He doth not see;' And the circle of the heavens He walketh habitually,

 

[Lulav]

Why would you be interested in hearing viewpoints from parents who have to force their views upon their children and back them into a corner? It's clear from the mouth of Daniel's daughter that she was simply frustrated at being unable to articulate herself properly: my parents did similar things to me and slapped me for even asking questions...if parents can't have a civil discussion with their own children why should they be expected to believe in God or anything that comes out of their mouth? God sure doesn't force anyone to believe in Him, and He has graciously allowed all of us who are here to come to Him of our own freewill.

HP, with all due respect, I don't really think I need to answer to you why I asked someone in the thread a question about what he said nor justify why I asked it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

@BNR32FAN Ever heard of common sense? Hopefully this picture will help you to use more of it:

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Yes I have heard of common sense, unfortunately these days it’s not so common. Allow me to explain what is happening in these two photos so that this concept will hopefully, yet unlikely, not escape you any longer. The train is traveling at a different speed than the air is, the smoke stack in the second picture is not. Wow who would’ve thought that the answer would be so simple. Here’s an experiment you can try to test this theory. Get in a car. Roll up the windows. Drive at 60mph on the freeway. Now light yourself on fire. Notice that the smoke coming off of your charred body rises straight up to the roof of the car and does not fly towards the back of the car. That is because the air inside the car is traveling at the same speed that your charred body and the smoke are traveling. Both your charred body and the air are traveling at 60mph. It’s not magic, it’s not rocket science, it’s just common sense.