Does Modern Science Align with the Bible?

[Paul4JC]

Here's two links of a dear brother who passed away a few years ago by the name of Jerry Morris. He's the only man I've seen faithfully follow 1 Enoch and it's 364 Day Solar Calendar, the Priestly Order of the Dead Sea Scrolls 4Q320, and decisively prove the equinox in 1 Enoch lines up with reality by using an actual sundial:

Fall Equinox September 22, 2015

Spring Equinox March 22, 2016

I agree with your posts. You might like Zen Garcia's work on the Enochic Calendar. 1 Enoch is the key to understanding the holy Scriptures correctly.
Enochian Calendar - Sacred Word Publishing

 

[Paul4JC]

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[Paul4JC]

Here is Lulav's question to me:



This was my answer:



Do you see the words equilux or equinox anywhere in the scripture? Do you see the words latitude or longitude anywhere in the scripture? Are we not allowed to use words unless they are found in the scripture?

As far as the word planet aligning with scripture, yes, it does in my understanding, which I have received by way of observing the creation of Elohim. I do not need to have the word planet spelled out for me in the scripture to understand the observable creation of Elohim.

Yes but the word planets is in Scripture, I thought you would know. It just does not have the same meaning we are schooled to believe. Do you study the etymology of words? Real meaning is more important to me than the most eloquent and elaborately skillful theories.

 

[daq]

Here's two links of a dear brother who passed away a few years ago by the name of Jerry Morris. He's the only man I've seen faithfully follow 1 Enoch and it's 364 Day Solar Calendar, the Priestly Order of the Dead Sea Scrolls 4Q320, and decisively prove the equinox in 1 Enoch lines up with reality by using an actual sundial:

Fall Equinox September 22, 2015

Spring Equinox March 22, 2016

I just watched both of these. His sundial wasn't off by two days in the second video six months later. He actually proved to himself that the length of the year is not 364 days but about 365 and a quarter. Too bad he wasn't able to see that fact.

 

[daq]

Yes but the word planets is in Scripture, I thought you would know. It just does not have the same meaning we are schooled to believe. Do you study the etymology of words? Real meaning is more important to me than the most eloquent and elaborately skillful theories.

Yeah, I saw what you posted the other day, What really are Stars?, and I know about mazzalah in 2Kgs 23:5, and in both cases I would not agree. However, if you would insist that planetes in Jude 1:13 is the correct world for modern planets, (since that probably is where the word planet came from), then it still wouldn't mean that planet earth is not a planet. The whole world lies in wickedness, (or the wicked one, 1 John 5:19).

 

[Lulav]

I agree with your posts. You might like Zen Garcia's work on the Enochic Calendar. 1 Enoch is the key to understanding the holy Scriptures correctly.
Enochian Calendar - Sacred Word Publishing

Interesting. This is going by the first day being our Wednesday and the weekly Sabbath on our Tuesday.

I've heard of the DDS calendar having a start of the week on our Wednesday, did not know it followed the Enochian Cal.

I've looked over that link you gave and it's hard to calculate since they only give you one month (the current one) but from what I could extrapolate it seems to be a month off.

Meaning on the Enochian Cal Kislev started on Oct 25 while on the Hebrew Cal it starts on Nov 25

Which would make Passover 2022 on March 17th on the Enochian cal which on the Hebrew would be II Adar 14th.

From the information given I can't calculate what they do for the leap year of if it is always set. Like the DDS Quamran calendar that always starts on a Wednesday.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Is heliocentrism based on any truth or a mythological pagan idea? Let's read the words of Copernicus himself:

We don’t care what pagans thought it’s completely irrelevant. Pagans believe that water is wet. If you believe water is wet your believing pagan beliefs. Pagans believe that bears poop in the forest, if you believe bears poop in the forest your believing pagan beliefs. Pagans believe that it’s ok to eat meat & vegetables, if you believe that it’s ok to eat meat & vegetables then your believing pagan beliefs. It’s completely irrelevant what pagans believed because the belief of heliocentrism is based on what we have seen today not what pagans believed thousands of years ago.

 

[dani'el]

LOL, we homeschooled for a while, and my daughter was very stubborn. When she was about 9 my wife gave a very elementary science lesson, during which my daughter challenged the fact the earth is a globe. However as evidence mounted against her flat earth belief she finally had to relent. But rather than admit my wife was right and she wrong, my daughter got up and just before walking out defiantly said "It's a squiggle!"

Déjà vu all over again ...

 

[Lulav]

LOL, we homeschooled for a while, and my daughter was very stubborn. When she was about 9 my wife gave a very elementary science lesson, during which my daughter challenged the fact the earth is a globe. However as evidence mounted against her flat earth belief she finally had to relent. But rather than admit my wife was right and she wrong, my daughter got up and just before walking out defiantly said "It's a squiggle!"

Déjà vu all over again ...

I'd be interested to know what evidence was presented and your daughters counter response.

 

[Humble Penny]

We don’t care what pagans thought it’s completely irrelevant. Pagans believe that water is wet. If you believe water is wet your believing pagan beliefs. Pagans believe that bears poop in the forest, if you believe bears poop in the forest your believing pagan beliefs. Pagans believe that it’s ok to eat meat & vegetables, if you believe that it’s ok to eat meat & vegetables then your believing pagan beliefs. It’s completely irrelevant what pagans believed because the belief of heliocentrism is based on what we have seen today not what pagans believed thousands of years ago.

You sure have simple minded reasoning. The water being wet requires no belief as it is plain for all to observe and we know God created it that way from the beginning just as He created meat and vegetables to be eaten for our benefit.

It's clear you don't want to acknowledge the fact that the founder of the heliocentric model did not base it upon any scientific observation, as I have quoted his words in post #45 and that of Karl Popper in post #52, but instead upon pagan religous beliefs. And it's also clear you don't want to accept the biblical fact that God commanded the Sun and Moon to stop moving in honor of Joshua's request when he fought against the Amorites...therefore the Sun moves around the earth, not the other way around. And to back this up further Moses tells us the earth was created before the luminaries and was made stationary as we do not read of it moving: therefore the Bible from the begnning of creation promotes a geocentric, stationary earth.

And when you happen to be in a airballoon or watch videos from a high altitude balloon you see that the horizon rises and falls relative to the observer which is excatly what one would expect on a plane earth; on a globe model the observer would need to look down as he ascends above the earth to see the horizon: yet despite the flowery rhetoric of the heliocentric model we see videos of high altiitude balloons going over 100,000 Feet with the horizon rising with each new height it ascends to; and when the balloon drops back down we see the horizon falling relative to its viewing position.

Your daughter may not be able to voice her thoughts well, but just because you and your wife ganged up on her doesn't make your daughter right or wrong: you as a parent simply failed to see things from your daughters point of view and ought to be ashamed of yourselves that you'd even use a defenseless child as proof that you're "right". It's clear from your discussion in my thread that you can't stand up to people your own size when they actually have valid points.

 

[Humble Penny]

I'd be interested to know what evidence was presented and your daughters counter response.

Why would you be interested in hearing viewpoints from parents who have to force their views upon their children and back them into a corner? It's clear from the mouth of Daniel's daughter that she was simply frustrated at being unable to articulate herself properly: my parents did similar things to me and slapped me for even asking questions...if parents can't have a civil discussion with their own children why should they be expected to believe in God or anything that comes out of their mouth? God sure doesn't force anyone to believe in Him, and He has graciously allowed all of us who are here to come to Him of our own freewill.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It's clear you don't want to acknowledge the fact that the founder of the heliocentric model did not base it upon any scientific observation,

Again completely irrelevant because what we do see now is the heliocentric model In reality. So it doesn’t matter who said what 500 years ago the heliocentric model has been confirmed since then thru scientific observations.

 

[Humble Penny]

Again completely irrelevant because what we do see now is the heliocentric model In reality. So it doesn’t matter who said what 500 years ago the heliocentric model has been confirmed since then thru scientific observations.

High altitude balloons and the horizon refute the heliocentric model along with the Word of God which their observations align with.

 

[Humble Penny]

Interesting. This is going by the first day being our Wednesday and the weekly Sabbath on our Tuesday.

I've heard of the DDS calendar having a start of the week on our Wednesday, did not know it followed the Enochian Cal.

I've looked over that link you gave and it's hard to calculate since they only give you one month (the current one) but from what I could extrapolate it seems to be a month off.

Meaning on the Enochian Cal Kislev started on Oct 25 while on the Hebrew Cal it starts on Nov 25

Which would make Passover 2022 on March 17th on the Enochian cal which on the Hebrew would be II Adar 14th.

From the information given I can't calculate what they do for the leap year of if it is always set. Like the DDS Quamran calendar that always starts on a Wednesday.

The first part in counting the week is incorrect as you're confusing the days of the year with the days of the week:

01 02 03 04 05 06 07 <----(Days of the Week)
_________01 02 03 04 <-----(Days of the Year)

Therefore our modern Sunday would be Day 1 while Saturday would be our Day 7...and again we are simply uing the pagan names as reference points...not saying they are the names for the days of the week. The Hebrew language is proof that from creation to today the days of the week are only spoken of in their numerical order. Sadly many of the later believers in the Church developed this erroneous and false idea that Day 1 = Sunday because of the pagan beliefs surrounding Sun worship crept into the Church by pagans posing as "believers". The Basilica in Rome should be proof enough of this where there former twleve pagan gods were done away with and replaced with the twelve apostles...many similar things can be seen in the history of the Catholic "church" like how "Mother Mary" is simply the pagan Queen of Heaven dressed up in the clothes of Mary from the Gospels.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You haven’t shown ONE SINGLE VALID POINT. You post inconclusive videos of balloons going up 100,000 feet and claim that the horizon is flat when in fact I provided screenshots from your own videos showing the horizon to be concave, convex, and flat which is inconclusive because the image is being distorted by the lens. But when I show a video that actually shows perfectly straight lines on a space station and the curvature of the earth in the same exact photo you disregard that and don’t want to discuss it. The straight lines in those photos PROVE you wrong, they PROVE that the lines on the image are not distorted. That is a valid point because it is conclusive evidence that’s is irrefutable, unfortunately to some it’s not unignorable.

So let’s talk about gravity. How is it that we have gravity on earth, or do we?

 

[Humble Penny]

@BNR32FAN Looks like you still don't understand that wide angle and fish eye lenses are what create curved horizons...but here's a video with no special lens which reaches ~75,000 Feet:

 

[Humble Penny]

Here's another video for you to eat taken at ~100,000 Feet with no fish-eye lens:

The uploader makes notes in the Description Box of correcting lens distortions which popped up...otherwise enjoy your eye level flat horizon...maybe you'll have some humility to apologize to your daughter.

 

[Humble Penny]

In post #147 I show how the Catholic "church" and the Eastern "church" all arbitrarily set the supposed date for the spring equinox so that Easter never is celebrated at the same time as Passover. Why would the Church be celebrating a pagan holiday? Don't believe me? Wel I'll let the pagans laugh you to scorn for your historical ignorance of their ways with this video and weblink:

Ostara - The Spring Equinox. A time of rebirth.

You'll see that these pagan holidays go back to Ishtar the goddess of the moon and queen of Babylon...who deified herself after having incestuous relations with her son...or maybe there's some folks here who think there's nothing wrong with letting your children participate in such things? Or more laughable and blasphemous still...there may be some who think the pagan origin of things is irrelevant so long as you splash the blood of Jesus Christ over it.

 

[Humble Penny]

In post #147 I show how the Catholic "church" and the Eastern "church" all arbitrarily set the supposed date for the spring equinox so that Easter never is celebrated at the same time as Passover. Why would the Church be celebrating a pagan holiday? Don't believe me? Wel I'll let the pagans laugh you to scorn for your historical ignorance of their ways with this video and weblink:

Ostara - The Spring Equinox. A time of rebirth.

You'll see that these pagan holidays go back to Ishtar the goddess of the moon and queen of Babylon...who deified herself after having incestuous relations with her son...or maybe there's some folks here who think there's nothing wrong with letting your children participate in such things? Or more laughable and blasphemous still...there may be some who think the pagan origin of things is irrelevant so long as you splash the blood of Jesus Christ over it.

Here's more testimony from the pagans themselves about their own holidays in the fall:

And note carefully that while on the 364 Day Solar Calendar some years the spring equinox will match many years it won't; and you'll also notice that YHWH's Holy Days never honor any of the equinoxes or solstices nor will His Holy Days fall on pagan days when you follow this 364 Day Solar calendar. Just some more insight into how deeply YHWH wants His people to be set apart from the world.

Here we see that the summer solstice falls on the same dates set and claculated by the Cathoic "church":

 

[Humble Penny]

So what do pagan worship and holidays, the nature of the earth, calendars, etc. have to do with modern "science"? I'm challenging everyone on this site--member or not--to expand their notion and concept of science by actually taking it's true etymology "knowledge" to actually ask:

Does Modern Knowledge [Science] Align with the Bible?

As we can see much of our modern knowledge is based in paganism which is why we don't see the world condemning it for it is not knowledge from God. Here's a link showing that our "modern" holydays are actually ancient pagan celebrations which ave never stopped being observed:

7 Pagan Festivals We Still Celebrate Today | Through Eternity Tours - Through Eternity Tours