Does man have a freewill ?

[Spiritual Jew]

Personal denial does not a Biblical demonstration make. . .

Until you Biblically demonstrate my error, your personal views are without Biblical merit.

See posts #15 and #108.

I've already done that. You are the one in denial of what scripture teaches.

 

[Clare73]

I've already done that. You are the one in denial of what scripture teaches.

See posts #15 and #108.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

See posts #15 and #108.

I've already addressed all of your posts and destroyed all of your arguments. What more do you want? All you're able to do is point out other posts you've made which I've already addressed. So, I'll say the same to you. Go back and read my posts.

 

[Clare73]

I've already addressed all of your posts and destroyed all of your arguments. What more do you want? All you're able to do is point out other posts you've made which I've already addressed. So, I'll say the same to you. Go back and read my posts.

See post #262.

 

[Brightfame52]

They are objects of wrath in time until they come to saving faith in Jesus Christ, which faith is guaranteed to the elect.

So they are objects of wrath of God while being reconciled to God by the death of Gods Son ? Yeah right

 

[Brightfame52]

Why? That would be a lie coming from a Calvinist like you.

Why would you tell someone who may, in your view, be incapable of believing in Christ, that what they can do is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ in order to be saved? To be consistent with what you actually believe, you should tell anyone who asks you what they need to do to be saved is nothing since you don't believe man is required to do anything to be saved. Or you should tell them that they should wait and see if God gives them repentance and faith or not and, in the meantime, there's nothing they can do. That would be the honest answer from a Calvinist to the question of what someone would need to do in order to be saved.

No it wouldnt be alive. If they believed on Jesus Christ they would be saved. Thats the only way he can believe, if he is in a saved state.

 

[Brightfame52]

Are sick people able to recognize and acknowledge that they are sick and unable to heal themselves while accepting the physician's offer to heal them?

Mark 2:16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners? 17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Man is dead by nature. Not sick, Dead, do you know the difference between a dead man and a sick man ?

 

[Brightfame52]

I'm not particularly surprised that you are reading into my post meaning that you want it to mean and interpreting my words to say something it does not.

You doing this with my words, but please I appeal don't do this with Gods.

Im not surprised you are typical of all work salvation folk

 

[Clare73]

So they are objects of wrath of God while being reconciled to God by the death of Gods Son ? Yeah right

There is no "while being" reconciled.

They are objects of wrath. They are declared justified.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

See posts #15 and #108.

What would you tell someone who asked you what they needed to do to be saved?

Explain to me how, according to your beliefs, everyone can be without excuse for not glorifying God as God and being thankful to Him (implying the ability to do so) while, at the same time, some are not able to confess their sins and put their faith in Christ as their Lord and Savior? How does it makes sense that someone is able to choose whether or not to glorify God and be thankful to Him, but can't choose whether or not to confess their sins and put their faith in Christ?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

See post #262.

See post #263.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Man is dead by nature. Not sick, Dead, do you know the difference between a dead man and a sick man ?

So, you don't accept what Jesus taught? That explains a lot.

Mark 2:16 Mark 2:16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners? 17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Is this passage in your Bible?

Being dead in sins has nothing to do with what someone is capable of doing or not. It means that someone is separated from having a personal relationship with God. To deny that sinners are sick is to deny what Jesus taught in the above passage which shows that you just believe what you want to believe rather than what scripture teaches.

 

[Brightfame52]

There is no "while being" reconciled.

They are objects of wrath. They are declared justified.

Yes it is. The elect are reconciled to God by His Sons Death even while being an enemy Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Do you deny this ?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Im not surprised you are typical of all work salvation folk

You have nothing to offer but false accusations. Show me where he ever said anything about salvation being based on works.

 

[Brightfame52]

So, you don't accept what Jesus taught? That explains a lot.

Mark 2:16 Mark 2:16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners? 17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Is this passage in your Bible?

Being dead in sins has nothing to do with what someone is capable of doing or not. It means that someone is separated from having a personal relationship with God. To deny that sinners are sick is to deny what Jesus taught in the above passage which shows that you just believe what you want to believe rather than what scripture teaches.

Man is dead by nature. Not sick, Dead,

 

[Spiritual Jew]

No it wouldnt be alive. If they believed on Jesus Christ they would be saved. Thats the only way he can believe, if he is in a saved state.

You can't tell someone that who, according to your doctrine, may not be able to believe in Christ. That would be a lie. If you were honest, you would tell them that there is nothing they can do except for hope that God one day gives them repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Man is dead by nature. Not sick, Dead,

So, I see you insist on denying what Jesus taught. May He have mercy on your soul for ignoring His teachings.

Mark 2:16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners? 17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Jesus said sinners are sick. Sick people are capable of acknowledging that they are sick, can't heal themselves and need the physician to heal them. You, in contrast, say they are dead and unable to acknowledge their sins while reaching out to Christ for forgiveness and salvation, which blatantly contradicts what Jesus Himself taught.

 

[Clare73]

What would you tell someone who asked you what they needed to do to be saved?

Explain to me how, according to your beliefs, everyone can be without excuse for not glorifying God as God and being thankful to Him (implying the ability to do so) while, at the same time, some are not able to confess their sins and put their faith in Christ as their Lord and Savior?

Perhaps a legal example would help:

Suppose an invalid borrowed money from you on the promise that he would repay you from his father's inheritance at his father's death.
The invalid has contracted a just debt, which he is responsible to pay.
But suppose when the invalid comes into the inheritance, a con artist cons him out of the whole inheritance before his debt is paid, and the con artist is no where to be found. The invalid is still responsible for his just debt, although he is unable to pay.
The principle here is that responsibility to pay is not based in ability to pay, but in what is justly owed.
The same is true spiritually. Responsibility to obey God is not based on man's ability to pay God, but on what man justly owes God.
God is the center of the universe, not man (Isa 45:9, Jer 18:6). He has a right to obedience from man (Lk 17:10) and, therefore, obedience is justly owed to him. Man's impotency does not release him from that just debt, because man's responsibility does not issue from his ability to pay, but from what he justly owes God.

How does it makes sense that someone is able to choose whether or not to glorify God and be thankful to Him, but can't choose whether or not to confess their sins and put their faith in Christ?

They can't choose either one, but that impotency does not remove the obligation of their just debt to do so.

 

[Brightfame52]

You can't tell someone that who, according to your doctrine, may not be able to believe in Christ. That would be a lie. If you were honest, you would tell them that there is nothing they can do except for hope that God one day gives them repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.

If a person believes it means when Jesus saved him or her He gave them the Gift of Faith. Those who believe in the True Jesus were already ordained/appointed to eternal life Acts 13:48

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

 

[Brightfame52]

So, I see you insist on denying what Jesus taught. May He have mercy on your soul for ignoring His teachings.

Mark 2:16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners? 17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Jesus said sinners are sick. Sick people are capable of acknowledging that they are sick, can't heal themselves and need the physician to heal them. You, in contrast, say they are dead and unable to acknowledge their sins while reaching out to Christ for forgiveness and salvation, which blatantly contradicts what Jesus Himself taught.

Men are dead by nature, dead in sin. Not sick, Grace finds the elect dead in sin needing to be quicken, made alive Eph 2:5
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)