Does it really matter what we believe?

[juvenissun]

Not necessarily, but since when does lasting forever a defining factor of what makes something worthwhile?

No matter how beautiful a thing is, if it does not last, then the value is minimum.

 

[bhsmte]

No matter how beautiful a thing is, if it does not last, then the value is minimum.

Why?

 

[juvenissun]

This is not a point in contention.



So?



I assume you mean my great great grandfather. There is no such thing as a grand grand grand father. English is a funny language, I suppose.

No, it's not my concern. It concerns my great great grandfather. His concerns don't have to be part of my concerns.



Yeah, so?



Great great grand... you know the drill.

Probably not important to them. So what?


eudaimonia,

Mark

So, your life is like a bubble. Exists for a short while and disappeared forever.
I don't think it is a good thing.

For the worse, this view may not even be true.

 

[juvenissun]

Why?

Why is a short-life thing good? It may not even be beautiful.

 

[bhsmte]

Why is a short-life thing good? It may not even be beautiful.

Finite time period = more motivation to live a good life, while you are here.

 

[juvenissun]

Why?

I would never be bothered by questions like why, why and why. I have several ways to make you stop that.

Have you enjoyed something, but it is never available any more? Is that a good situation?

 

[juvenissun]

Finite time period = more motivation to live a good life, while you are here.

Not always. It may also discourage one's intention to live.
The evidence is the feature of suicide.

 

[bhsmte]

Not always. It may also discourage one's intention to live.
The evidence is the feature of suicide.

Disagree.

 

[DavidFMayerPhD]

Given that beliefs guide actions and actions have real consequences, then yes, it matters.

Absolutely true. Look at today's Fanatical Muslims. Their evil actions are based on the erroneous belief that a fairy (angel) talked to a desert pirate and mass murderer and told him to tell his followers to kill anyone who did not accept the words of said desert pirate. How has that been working out? Would these crackpots be doing what they are doing if they did not believe the desert pirate?

 

[bhsmte]

I would never be bothered by questions like why, why and why. I have several ways to make you stop that.

Have you enjoyed something, but it is never available any more? Is that a good situation?

Doesn't stop it from being enjoyable while it lasted.

 

[brixken7]

Does it really matter what we believe regarding our origin, our purpose or lack thereof, and our destiny? If so, why?

If not, why not?

I'm surprised at the very question!

BELIEF is very important to God.
The opposite -- UNBELIEF -- is even worse to God than idol worship!
While He states that He "will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth," who in the Christian faith actually believes He can and will save everyone, just as He claims?!

"Pessimism is sin." For proof of this God gave the example of how the Israelites who had been sent to spy out the Promised Land, came back with a very gloomy, pessimistic report. You can read of this in Numbers 13:25-33. Basically, their message was that the land promised by God was impossible to take because of its "strong" defenders and "very great" walled cities. What God had promised them, they considered unachievable and absolutely impossible to obtain! To them there was NO WAY that Israel could enter and take the land that God had promised them! But this lack of faith in God's promise had very serious repercussions, even more serious than their constant complaining after leaving Egypt, and even more serious than their idolatrous worshiping of their molten calf! The Bible clearly states that it was this lack of faith, this unbelief -- and the unbelief of those who heard their message -- that resulted in God (in the Person of Christ) not granting to them entrance into this Promised Land (Hebrews 3:18-19; 4:6,11)! Today, in much the same negative vein, we hear religious leaders and Bible teachers claim that God is incapable of bringing us all into the Promised Land. And like the reasoning of old, it's usually based upon a faulty premise that we cannot count on God to do it all, so it's up to us. Some even claim that God has no desire to save everyone, or that He is hampered by man's supposed "free will" and needs "our permission" to save us! The result is the same. The pessimism and unbelief that existed among God's people in ancient Israel is prevalent today throughout the modern churches, churches composed of people who likewise claim the 'Promised Land' -- be it heaven or a New Earth -- will not be attainable for most people! The truth is that if we want God to save us in this life, then we need to trust in Him, have faith in Him, rely upon Him, and most of all -- love and BELIEVE Him to do as He says. Our salvation (in this life) is dependent upon it.

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[juvenissun]

Disagree.

Why?

 

[juvenissun]

Doesn't stop it from being enjoyable while it lasted.

But since you know it will not last, that decreases the degree of enjoyment, even turned it into a disappointment.

 

[bhsmte]

But since you know it will not last, that decreases the degree of enjoyment, even turned it into a disappointment.

I think you need to speak for yourself on that one.

 

[juvenissun]

I think you need to speak for yourself on that one.

Why?

 

[bhsmte]

Why?

Because you can't speak for others.

I can speak for myself (and others have agreed) that a finite life, brings more meaning, knowing it is indeed, finite.

 

[juvenissun]

Because you can't speak for others.

I can speak for myself (and others have agreed) that a finite life, brings more meaning, knowing it is indeed, finite.

I never speak FOR others (never want to). I like to speak TO others.
So I spoke. What is wrong with what I said?

 

[bhsmte]

I never speak FOR others (never want to). I like to speak TO others.
So I spoke. What is wrong with what I said?

For you personally, nothing.

 

[crawdadr]

You see it is these kinds of unanswerable questions that divides instead of unites the body of Christ. You have to wonder if given the true answer would your faith be strengthened? Or if the answer went against what you perceived as the truth would it be shattered?
It kind of reminds me of the story of King Nebuchadnezzar in the book of Daniel. How he had a dream and was afraid and called all the wise men and learned people to him. None of them could answer until Daniel came and explained everything. That no matter how great you think you are or what you know that everything springs from the Lord. Not only that but that God would show his strength by making the dream come true so that he would learn the truth before inheriting a greater kingdom.
Nebuchadnezzar and his wise men did not know the truth and even when the king was told the truth he did not believe. He said "is this not Babylon that I have built...?" That is until the Lord came down and said it was happening and he lost everything. In this instance his faith became stronger in others it may well break them. But in the end it does not matter what was believed by the humans involved, all that mattered was that is sprang from the Lord and the Lord's plans and actions proceed in ways we cannot and perhaps should not know.

Am I making sense or did I just ramble?

 

[anonymous person]

You see it is these kinds of unanswerable questions that divides instead of unites the body of Christ. You have to wonder if given the true answer would your faith be strengthened? Or if the answer went against what you perceived as the truth would it be shattered?
It kind of reminds me of the story of King Nebuchadnezzar in the book of Daniel. How he had a dream and was afraid and called all the wise men and learned people to him. None of them could answer until Daniel came and explained everything. That no matter how great you think you are or what you know that everything springs from the Lord. Not only that but that God would show his strength by making the dream come true so that he would learn the truth before inheriting a greater kingdom.
Nebuchadnezzar and his wise men did not know the truth and even when the king was told the truth he did not believe. He said "is this not Babylon that I have built...?" That is until the Lord came down and said it was happening and he lost everything. In this instance his faith became stronger in others it may well break them. But in the end it does not matter what was believed by the humans involved, all that mattered was that is sprang from the Lord and the Lord's plans and actions proceed in ways we cannot and perhaps should not know.

Am I making sense or did I just ramble?

Makes a lot of sense mate!