On the contrary. There is plenty of evidence for the restoration of all of creation and the redemption of all humankind. Here's a short list below. Plenty more where that came from. (the Bible) Your "God's use" for humanity claim is what seems baseless to me. As if God needs us?
1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,
1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.
1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
Why do you say Moses was a murderer? Is Egyptian law the rule, or does God have his own justice?Moses was a murderer, but God made no issue of it. God protected Moses from human justice for his crime. Why was the sin of murder not dealt with?
Saint Steven said: ↑
Consider this.
Exodus 4:18-20 NRSV
Moses went back to his father-in-law Jethro and said to him, “Please let me go back to my kindred in Egypt and see whether they are still living.” And Jethro said to Moses, “Go in peace.” 19 The Lord said to Moses in Midian, “Go back to Egypt; for all those who were seeking your life are dead.” 20 So Moses took his wife and his sons, put them on a donkey, and went back to the land of Egypt; and Moses carried the staff of God in his hand.
Killing someone if necessary, in defense of others, is not murder.Do you also not remember that killing people is murder?
I’m ok discussing, but the question was in answer to something @Saint Steven was saying, so it’s a rabbit trail by itself.So there's your answer. If you don't want to discuss it, then neither do I. lol.
I never said Moses didn’t feel guilty, or that he could even win the case on merit. Just that God didn’t need to deal with him about it if it wasn’t wrong in God’s view.Since Moses fled the country, it seems he didn't think he had a case. Even though he lived in the palace.
If John Calvin, had honesty, He would place himself on the ladder of God, ( remember Jacobs ladder?) and this is how it works, Israel had many teachers who deceived and murdered their warners from God ( those warners all spoke of the days coming of the Messiah and how these same deceivers would rise the people up against their own Messiah.) The warners of God had the Spirit and they had the sufferings of Christ in them, till they died, and the feeling of Christs sufferings to come, which they prophesied of.
Now Christ came to earth, and the rulers, Pharisees etc, did what leaders of the people do, teach lies and murder the good, then it was fulfilled that they are removed forever ( they just did not know it yet)
Now, we remember the testimony again, how the Apostles were in the same way all murdered for the testimony of Christ they held, the sufferings of Christ, the meekness, the humbleness, and the words which others hate you for.
If anyone on earth, could be honest, they put the order of the true testimonies ( they are in the word of God that cannot be added or taken from) and all who do not acknowledge that, that is what we are saved by, and not by themselves, or any words they think they can create, are not only incorrect, but are the very same antichrists that always were in this world, all along doing their master class of deceit and turning from the truth of God.
The Apostles are the only example, they are chosen by God, in the scriptures, how can anyone add or take from them and be thought of, as true?
All our own talk, own words, and anyone elses wise quoted words, give no belief in Christ, as all that Jesus spoke was the fulfilling of what He came to do,, it was finished, all that was left was the devil to go out and deceive the whole world, and his deceiver antichrists teaching what now?
1 Corinthians 4:11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;
12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
Huh? I don't even see reasoning here to follow. Can you try to make your point plainly for me?Mark Quayle: "No doubt, the confidence, purely in the will of God, and the work of God on their behalf, and in the knowledge that God will accomplish all he set out to do, and the happiness at the thought of God's happiness with his plan, and the confidence one gains from the truth, comes across as arrogance to those who claim self-ability, but know somewhere inside that they are not of themselves to be trusted with such a grand task."
Anyone showing example in words, is truthful, or the work that Jesus was given by the Father to finish, bears witness of Him ?
That is how we know who is fake, who talks and does nothing, just like the Pharisees, who do not lift one finger to do anything good.
But all their works they do for to be seen of men.
That is why, it is told, we are cursed to trust in man..
John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
John 5:33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.
35 He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.
36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
Jeremiah 17:5 Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.
Jeremiah 17:7 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the Lord, and whose hope the Lord is.
Psalm 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
5 Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the Lord his God:
6 Which made heaven, and earth, the sea, and all that therein is: which keepeth truth for ever:
Isaiah 2:22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of ?
Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
I would say, "Yes.", but perhaps it's not actually a second chance. - lolOperating by your use of that verse to the afterlife, does the Devil also get a second chance?
Sausage, remember? (not hamburger - lol) Where there is sausage, there is a grinder. Can't have one without the other.Yet, you say that what is taught in scripture, concerning regeneration, also applies to the 'lost' after this temporal life, without any other indication in Scripture that it is so, by only your logical extrapolation of God's nature (love and mercy —without mention of justice and anger).
Play fair.Allow me to rephrase: EXCEPT for such verses, and the several others you take as fact that he will indeed save absolutely everyone, do you have any about what it will be like for them, after they have been resurrected to damnation (eg in John 5:24) (I.e. as opposed to the abundance of descriptions of the afterlife for the Elect)?
"In any other given situation." —other than what?libertarian freewill, meaning the ability to do otherwise in any given situation
Isn't that an argument from silence?Why do you say Moses was a murderer? Is Egyptian law the rule, or does God have his own justice?
But besides this, restating what you have already said does not advance your argument. You have yet to show me that God did not deal with it, concerning Moses. The fact the Bible does not tell us so directly, does not prove it.
He fled the country. What does that infer?Killing someone if necessary, in defense of others, is not murder.
Imagine being Moses when the TCs were given.I never said Moses didn’t feel guilty, or that he could even win the case on merit. Just that God didn’t need to deal with him about it if it wasn’t wrong in God’s view.
Everyone ends up together when everyone is ready. No one is left out.Do you believe, like most Universalists, that the punishment in the Lake of Fire is also temporal, or at least, not lethal and only a purification to ready them for Heaven, or do they remain "outside the gates, but alive" after the LOF, or do they escape the LOF and remain "outside the gates, but alive" or what?
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