Does God Send People to Hell?

[Hammster]

Does God send people to hell? No.
As far as I know there are only two places a soul can go after they are resurrected.
Heaven and Hell.
If your are not righteous with the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, God wont let you into Heaven.
SOOooo...I suppose there is the alternative. The second choice.

So if you can't get into heaven, do you just say, "oh, well. I guess i walk over to hell."?

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

On the topic of Hell, I was reminded reading this thread of the following.

A letter from hell! - YouTube

 

[Scipio]

And yet my statement is still true people put them selves in Hell. Its funny but we do not say this country produces criminals, but people chose to be criminals nor do we say America puts people in jail but people put there self there.

It is not getting "God off the hook " as you say, but rather putting the blame for the person going to hell where it deserves to be on that person. It is not God's fault they went to Hell.

Its written God is willing that not one soul be lost but all repent and be saved. God did everything He could to save the world, yet still people reject Him, So God is not sending them to Hell, they are choosing to go there. Is it God's fault we sin because He gave The Law against it?

I think people need to take responsibility for there choices.

If we can avoid sin, we are responsible for sinning. For sure. If you could possibly avoid sin in any given situation and you didn't, you are responsible for it.

However imagine the case of someone who's breaking a law in the former Soviet Union (since you brought up America, I am gonna choose this example which is more difficult I think). E.g. they could be sent into jail (oops) for disagreeing with the official party line. They could be killed for disagreeing with the party line (many people were).

Do you think the millions of people (some call them "victims" which is quite revealing in itself) who died under the regime were responsible for their own deaths? would you say to their relatives "well, tough, your relatives were killed because they disobeyed the law and therefore they themselves are responsible for their deaths. Don't blame the law makers!"

Or would you hold the people who created and put the laws into effect responsible for these people deaths?

You can apply the same rationale to the Nazi regime and their laws.

Those are ofc all cosmic laws, man made laws. So in many cases they are unjust. But still the question isn't whether the law is just or unjust but who is, ultimately responsible, for the punishment of those who disobey it. Who is punishing people - do they punish themselves by sending themselves to jail/death?

EDIT: I don't btw have strong views on this issue. I hold myself fully responsible for my sins. Whatever follows from this, I accept.

 

[Bluelion]

Yep. We may as well just get rid of Hell since God is love.

1 john 4:8 God is love. sorry if you don't understand Love or the relationship Of a Father and his child. But if you do not have mercy mercy will not be taken on you.

 

[Bluelion]

If we can avoid sin, we are responsible for sinning. For sure. If you could possibly avoid sin in any given situation and you didn't, you are responsible for it.

However imagine the case of someone who's breaking a law in the former Soviet Union (since you brought up America, I am gonna choose this example which is more difficult I think). E.g. they could be sent into jail (oops) for disagreeing with the official party line. They could be killed for disagreeing with the party line (many people were).

Do you think the millions of people (some call them "victims" which is quite revealing in itself) who died under the regime were responsible for their own deaths? would you say to their relatives "well, tough, your relatives were killed because they disobeyed the law and therefore they themselves are responsible for their deaths. Don't blame the law makers!"

Or would you hold the people who created and put the laws into effect responsible for these people deaths?

You can apply the same rationale to the Nazi regime and their laws.

Those are ofc all cosmic laws, man made laws. So in many cases they are unjust. But still the question isn't whether the law is just or unjust but who is, ultimately responsible, for the punishment of those who disobey it. Who is punishing people - do they punish themselves by sending themselves to jail/death?

EDIT: I don't btw have strong views on this issue. I hold myself fully responsible for my sins. Whatever follows from this, I accept.

yeah topic was about God and weather he sends people to hell, not the laws of men and the faults of man made laws. Your statement really does not apply unless you are saying God's laws are un just?

 

[Hammster]

1 john 4:8 God is love. sorry if you don't understand Love or the relationship Of a Father and his child. But if you do not have mercy mercy will not be taken on you.

I understand the relationship. That's why none of His elect will suffer in Hell.

 

[Skala]

and yet God is Love 1 john 4:8. Funny I thought love was gentle and kind, oh wait God said it is 1 cor 13.

God's love doesn't negate God's justice.

God is more than just love. He's also many other things. Such as a consuming fire.

Do you agree?

if so, then why did you bother replying?

 

[Scipio]

yeah topic was about God and weather he sends people to hell, not the laws of men and the faults of man made laws. Your statement really does not apply unless you are saying God's laws are un just?

You didn't read the post or care to think about it. I'm done here.

 

[98cwitr]

Does God send people to hell? No.
As far as I know there are only two places a soul can go after they are resurrected.
Heaven and Hell.
If your are not righteous with the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, God wont let you into Heaven.
SOOooo...I suppose there is the alternative. The second choice.

That's kinda like saying a murderer chooses death row...not the case at all. In actuality, the Judge (and possibly Jury) sends him to death row. No one chooses death, death is a sentence beyond any choice.

 

[Bluelion]

That's kinda like saying a murderer chooses death row...not the case at all. In actuality, the Judge (and possibly Jury) sends him to death row. No one chooses death, death is a sentence beyond any choice.

If you tell a person they will die if they walk off that cliff, and they walk off the cliff who's fault is that? God says accept me and Live, reject me and you are cut off forever. He says you choose.

 

[Hammster]

That's kinda like saying a murderer chooses death row...not the case at all. In actuality, the Judge (and possibly Jury) sends him to death row. No one chooses death, death is a sentence beyond any choice.

Actually, that's like saying a murder chooses death row because he can't go to Disneyland.

 

[Hammster]

If you tell a person they will die if they walk off that cliff, and they walk off the cliff who's fault is that? God says accept me and Live, reject me and you are cut off forever. He says you choose.

When God cuts them off forever, where does He send them?

 

[98cwitr]

If you tell a person they will die if they walk off that cliff, and they walk off the cliff who's fault is that? God says accept me and Live, reject me and you are cut off forever. He says you choose.

Not the same thing. If there wasn't a Final Judgement I could see it your way. But the Bible clearly says that God is a judge and that people will be judged by their actions. Is God going to judge people walking off a cliff? Even more so, if God loved them wouldn't He stop them from walking off a cliff? Does a parent who stops their child from running out into the street to get hit by a car love their child more than God loves?

 

[JM]

“Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.“ James 5:5

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Dr. Gill comments, when beasts were slain for some extraordinary entertainment, or for the solemn festivals and sacrifices the Jews, when they lived more deliciously than at other times; and then the sense is, that these rich men fared sumptuously every day; every day was a festival with them; they indulged themselves in intemperance; they ate and drank, not merely what was necessary, and satisfying, and cheering to nature, but to excess, and gorged, and filled themselves in an extravagant manner: the Syriac version, instead of “hearts”, reads “bodies” and one copy reads, “your flesh”: and the last phrase may be rendered, as it is in the same version, “as unto”, or “for the day of slaughter”; and so the Arabic version, “ye have nourished your hearts, as fattened for the day of slaughter”: like beasts that are fattened in order to be killed, so were they preparing and fitting up by their sins for destruction.

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“But thou, O LORD, knowest me: thou hast seen me, and tried mine heart toward thee: pull them out like sheep for the slaughter, and prepare them for the day of slaughter.“ Jeremiah 12:3

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Again, John Gill, either out of the fold, or from a fat pasture; so fat sheep are plucked from the rest, in order to be killed: this shows that their riches, affluence, and plenty, served but to ripen them for ruin and destruction, and were like the fattening of sheep for slaughter; which the prophet, by this imprecation, suggests and foretells would be their case, as a righteous judgment upon them;​

 

[98cwitr]

I must wonder if one who makes such a statement, the bolded part, has ever considered the implications of such a statement. It is utter blasphemy.

Such a statement not only implies that God is not omnipotent but clearly says that He is a frustrated and impotent being worthy of contempt rather than worship. How sad that this is the theology of so many today.

I'd wager that such teachings about this weak god you mention bring about a lot of the atheism we see today. I recall hearing a preacher say that "God loves every one of you!" and then wondering at a very early age "Then why do people go to hell if God loves them? Why doesn't He protect them from it?"

Agreed. Such a god is not a God at all, but weak and incapable of caring for his creation, unable to see the consequences of placing the Tree of Knowledge in the garden, creating an angel that would turn against him. Such a god let's his creation destroy themselves and stands back and simply watches. Such a god is a monster. I'd even question if such a god even had the capability to foreknow anything, since such cause and effect scenarios would require a level of Omniscience which a god possessing these attributes could not possess and still be considered "good" by his own standards.

Nope, I'll worship a Sovereign God. One who, by complete power and foreknowledge, brought all things into being and forms us as clay and He being the potter, to do with us as He will. Bible backs this up fully. The Lord loves the elect with such force and passion that nothing can take them away from him...not even the evil within themselves.

 

[Bluelion]

I'd wager that such teachings about this weak god you mention bring about a lot of the atheism we see today. I recall hearing a preacher say that "God loves every one of you!" and then wondering at a very early age "Then why do people go to hell if God loves them? Why doesn't He protect them from it?"

Agreed. Such a god is not a God at all, but weak and incapable of caring for his creation, unable to see the consequences of placing the Tree of Knowledge in the garden, creating an angel that would turn against him. Such a god let's his creation destroy themselves and stands back and simply watches. Such a god is a monster. I'd even question if such a god even had the capability to foreknow anything, since such cause and effect scenarios would require a level of Omniscience which a god possessing these attributes could not possess and still be considered "good" by his own standards.

Nope, I'll worship a Sovereign God. One who, by complete power and foreknowledge, brought all things into being and forms us as clay and He being the potter, to do with us as He will. Bible backs this up fully. The Lord loves the elect with such force and passion that nothing can take them away from him...not even the evil within themselves.

God's greatest show of strength was not when He flooded the world, but When He laid down His Life for us. I am sorry you have no idea what strength is.

 

[Hammster]

God's greatest show of strength was not when He flooded the world, but When He laid down His Life for us. I am sorry you have no idea what strength is.

Did he say something that opposes this?

 

[Tallguy88]

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[FreeinChrist]

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[98cwitr]

Awwww I lost a post