Does God Send People to Hell?

[Bluelion]

Yeah. Your point is you're afraid to see God as he really is.


How about this one:


For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.

Does that fit the caricature if God you have created?

Ezekiel 18:23 NLT

23 “Do you think that I like to see wicked people die? says the Sovereign Lord. Of course not! I want them to turn from their wicked ways and live. 24 However, if righteous people turn from their righteous behavior and start doing sinful things and act like other sinners, should they be allowed to live? No, of course not! All their righteous acts will be forgotten, and they will die for their sins.


Here God say clearly He does not like to see people die, so your statement He does is not Biblical, But He says sin Leads to death, Just the way it is. Why? Because God is life to reject Him is to die.

EzeKiel 18 30

30 “Therefore, I will judge each of you, O people of Israel, according to your actions, says the Sovereign Lord. Repent, and turn from your sins. Don’t let them destroy you! 31 Put all your rebellion behind you, and find yourselves a new heart and a new spirit. For why should you die, O people of Israel? 32 I don’t want you to die, says the Sovereign Lord. Turn back and live!
Read more at https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+18&version=NLT#plF7rIYpfFksRdTu.99


Ezekiel 33 NlT

11 As surely as I live, says the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of wicked people. I only want them to turn from their wicked ways so they can live. Turn! Turn from your wickedness, O people of Israel! Why should you die?
Read more at https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+33&version=NLT#mDG2G3LVCULvu4bZ.99


Its funny how mods can break the rules but I get warned for addressing the poster yet you can do it any time you like

But to address your text about me. I am not afraid to see God for who He Is. I know him. I don't know this God you speak of It certainly is not the one Named Jesus, Yahweh and The Holy Spirit.

The fact God has protected His children time and time again against evil, does not mean He enjoys punishing people or even doing it. I know I am a Father and If some one messes with My kids I will put them through a wall faster than they can oops. God does not let justice go unanswered.

He flooded the word, yes to protect the bloodline for Jesus to come, or else we all would be lost. Its a good thing He did it or no one would be saved.

He destroyed pharaohs army. The Jews prayed for 400 years to be freed from slavery. And God was working to get the Egyptians to turn but they would not. God did to them what they were going to do to Israel. Again this would have wiped out the Blood line of Jesus. So Good thing huh.

At the end days God lets the world be deceived because the world deceives His Children. Doing something to a child of God has consequences. Its why Jesus said what you do to the least of My Brothers you do to Me. Jesus warned us with How we treat one another. I know the world thinks they can do what they like to God's children, but they will pay for it. What father does not defend His children. I know I defend my children, Does mean i like hurting some for stepping out of line, but if its them or my child, you bet I chose my child.

Now does what I say Go along with 1 john 4:8 God is Love? Why yes it does, 1 cor 13 Love always protects.

I don't remember the Bible saying God is wrath, but it does say He is Love. It does say He pours out His wrath. Messing with a persons children your going to get wrath doesn't mean God is wrath, God also gets angry does not mean He is anger, but God did say He is Love.

 

[Hammster]

Ezekiel 18:23 NLT

23 “Do you think that I like to see wicked people die? says the Sovereign Lord. Of course not! I want them to turn from their wicked ways and live. 24 However, if righteous people turn from their righteous behavior and start doing sinful things and act like other sinners, should they be allowed to live? No, of course not! All their righteous acts will be forgotten, and they will die for their sins.


Here God say clearly He does not like to see people die, so your statement He does is not Biblical, But He says sin Leads to death, Just the way it is. Why? Because God is life to reject Him is to die.

I never said God like (or likes) to see people die. So I don't know why you would say I did.

EzeKiel 18 30

30 “Therefore, I will judge each of you, O people of Israel, according to your actions, says the Sovereign Lord. Repent, and turn from your sins. Don’t let them destroy you! 31 Put all your rebellion behind you, and find yourselves a new heart and a new spirit. For why should you die, O people of Israel? 32 I don’t want you to die, says the Sovereign Lord. Turn back and live!
Read more at https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+18&version=NLT#plF7rIYpfFksRdTu.99


Ezekiel 33 NlT

11 As surely as I live, says the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of wicked people. I only want them to turn from their wicked ways so they can live. Turn! Turn from your wickedness, O people of Israel! Why should you die?
Read more at https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+33&version=NLT#mDG2G3LVCULvu4bZ.99

Those are in my bible, too. Is there a point?

Its funny how mods can break the rules but I get warned for addressing the poster yet you can do it any time you like

But to address your text about me. I am not afraid to see God for who He Is. I know him. I don't know this God you speak of It certainly is not the one Named Jesus, Yahweh and The Holy Spirit.

And you've just accused me of being a non-believer. Please retract this.

The fact God has protected His children time and time again against evil, does not mean He enjoys punishing people or even doing it. I know I am a Father and If some one messes with My kids I will put them through a wall faster than they can oops. God does not let justice go unanswered.

Hell is justice. And just as you would act, God acts.

He flooded the word, yes to protect the bloodline for Jesus to come, or else we all would be lost. Its a good thing He did it or no one would be saved.

Everyone killed in His wrath was in Jesus' bloodline. Noah was just as bad. God's grace fell upon him.

He destroyed pharaohs army. The Jews prayed for 400 years to be freed from slavery. And God was working to get the Egyptians to turn but they would not. God did to them what they were going to do to Israel. Again this would have wiped out the Blood line of Jesus. So Good thing huh.

And since God does everything for His glory, this fits with my view (and scripture where God says He did it for His glory).

At the end days God lets the world be deceived because the world deceives His Children. Doing something to a child of God has consequences. Its why Jesus said what you do to the least of My Brothers you do to Me. Jesus warned us with How we treat one another. I know the world thinks they can do what they like to God's children, but they will pay for it. What father does not defend His children. I know I defend my children, Does mean i like hurting some for stepping out of line, but if its them or my child, you bet I chose my child.

Yes, God protects the elect. I'm glad you see that.

Now does what I say Go along with 1 john 4:8 God is Love? Why yes it does, 1 cor 13 Love always protects.

I don't remember the Bible saying God is wrath, but it does say He is Love. It does say He pours out His wrath. Messing with a persons children your going to get wrath doesn't mean God is wrath, God also gets angry does not mean He is anger, but God did say He is Love.

I'm good with God protecting His chosen. That's at the heart of Calvinism. Good shepherds protect their sheep.

 

[Bluelion]

I never said God like (or likes) to see people die. So I don't know why you would say I did.
Those are in my bible, too. Is there a point?
And you've just accused me of being a non-believer. Please retract this.

Hell is justice. And just as you would act, God acts.
Everyone killed in His wrath was in Jesus' bloodline. Noah was just as bad. God's grace fell upon him.

And since God does everything for His glory, this fits with my view (and scripture where God says He did it for His glory).

Yes, God protects the elect. I'm glad you see that.



I'm good with God protecting His chosen. That's at the heart of Calvinism. Good shepherds protect their sheep.

I never said you were an unbeliever I said the things you say about God is not the God I know. I think you misunderstand God if you were in fact saying He likes killing people. I never spoke to your salvation.

 

[Bluelion]

Read some OT. God killed the Egyptians for His glory. My guess is that He loves Himself more.

You said this which you were implying the dead Egyptians brought God glory. Meaning God enjoyed there death. i said no It was the victory which brought God honor and not there death, that is was Egyptians realizing God is God, but God did not like taking there life. Now that goes with scripture i posted.

 

[Hammster]

I never said you were an unbeliever I said the things you say about God is not the God I know. I think you misunderstand God if you were in fact saying He likes killing people. I never spoke to your salvation.

When did I ever say God likes killing people? That's absurd.

 

[Hammster]

You said this which you were implying the dead Egyptians brought God glory. Meaning God enjoyed there death. i said no It was the victory which brought God honor and not there death, that is was Egyptians realizing God is God, but God did not like taking there life. Now that goes with scripture i posted.

Their death was the victory. Maybe you should check out Rev 19 as well.

 

[Hammster]

The Lord is a Warrior.

Matt Papa. THE LORD IS A WARRIOR - YouTube

 

[Bluelion]

Their death was the victory. Maybe you should check out Rev 19 as well.

The victory was they new God was God. The price it came by was dead Egyptians.

and again we are speaking of God protecting His children and in acting Justice. The world was trying to wipe Christians out of it, God said no you will be wipe out. Do on to others as you would have done to you.

 

[Hammster]

The victory was they new God was God. The price it came by was dead Egyptians.

If the scripture actually said it, you'd have a point.

 

[Bluelion]

If the scripture actually said it, you'd have a point.

it does.

 

[98cwitr]

Let's see

1. Moses parts the Red Sea using the power of the Spirit
2. Egyptians, foreknown, enter
3. Moses and the Israelites cross over while Egyptians pursue
4. Red Sea closes on the Egyptians via the power of the Spirit

How was that not God's doing? God gave power to Moses fully aware of the Egyptian demise.

This is more telling:

Numbers 16:28-32New International Version (NIV)

28 Then Moses said, “This is how you will know that the Lord has sent me to do all these things and that it was not my idea: 29 If these men die a natural death and suffer the fate of all mankind, then the Lord has not sent me. 30 But if the Lord brings about something totally new, and the earth opens its mouth and swallows them, with everything that belongs to them, and they go down alive into the realm of the dead, then you will know that these men have treated the Lord with contempt.”

31 As soon as he finished saying all this, the ground under them split apart 32 and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them and their households, and all those associated with Korah, together with their possessions.

^^it doesn't get clearer than that.

 

[Bluelion]

don't think I ever said God did not cause it. I was debating on what God saw the victory over, dead Egyptians, or the fact everyone said that is the true God.

 

[Hammster]

it does.

I'll await the reference.

 

[Hammster]

don't think I ever said God did not cause it. I was debating on what God saw the victory over, dead Egyptians, or the fact everyone said that is the true God.

Was God glorified by the killing of the Egyptians? Or are you going to claim that God did something that wasn't for His glory?

 

[Bluelion]

Was God glorified by the killing of the Egyptians? Or are you going to claim that God did something that wasn't for His glory?

Exodus 14:4

4 And once again I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and he will chase after you.[a] I have planned this in order to display my glory through Pharaoh and his whole army. After this the Egyptians will know that I am the Lord!” So the Israelites camped there as they were told.

see the part in bold, They will know I am Lord, that was the glory because they new God was God, The glory was not over dead bodies but over How the peoples heart changed. They New God was God.

I have been arguing this thing for pages now yet you keep asking me the same question and here I have answered it again. To be clear.

No. God was not Glorified By dead bodies.

Yes. God received Glory because everyone New He was God that day.

 

[Bluelion]

God will kill Egyptians for His glory, but he won't send people to hell.

yeah. right.

To be clear you said God killed Egyptians for His glory. I have shown that was not His glory, but His glory was they New He was Lord.

 

[98cwitr]

22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?

 

[Hammster]

Exodus 14:4

4 And once again I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and he will chase after you.[a] I have planned this in order to display my glory through Pharaoh and his whole army. After this the Egyptians will know that I am the Lord!” So the Israelites camped there as they were told.

see the part in bold, They will know I am Lord, that was the glory because they new God was God, The glory was not over dead bodies but over How the peoples heart changed. They New God was God.

I have been arguing this thing for pages now yet you keep asking me the same question and here I have answered it again. To be clear.

No. God was not Glorified By dead bodies.

Yes. God received Glory because everyone New He was God that day.

And how did they know?

 

[Hammster]

To be clear you said God killed Egyptians for His glory. I have shown that was not His glory, but His glory was they New He was Lord.

After He displayed His glory.

 

[MWood]

Does God send people to hell? No.
As far as I know there are only two places a soul can go after they are resurrected.
Heaven and Hell.
If your are not righteous with the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, God wont let you into Heaven.
SOOooo...I suppose there is the alternative. The second choice.