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No, that’s not it. Go and read the verse.
How does that answer the question?
If it helps, he doesn’t tell them to choose God.I read it and that's How I got my answer.
But if I read it too quick I'll post it.
That would describe the reprobate, that’s for sure.Well Paul tells us exactly why people receive the wrath of God.
But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God
That would describe the reprobate, that’s for sure.
How so?Well if their own stubbornness is building up the righteous wrath of God upon them then it is quite clear that God desires our cooperation in order to receive salvation.
How so?
Yes scratch that passage...but there are numerous others..where obedience is required. GOD HELPED THOSE WHO OBEYED HIM.If it helps, he doesn’t tell them to choose God.
One can lead a horse to water but cant make him drink . If God made man with free will...as He has why would he make him drink......One can be lead to repentance, but still need to repent. Inside I felt a relief of happiness...maybe in the simplicity that with His yoke it's just easier....[
Yes scratch that passage...but there are numerous others..where obedience is required. GOD HELPED THOSE WHO OBEYED HIM.
Does this mean that you won’t answer my question?I don’t understand how that statement is not self explanatory.
I’m sure there are. But I don’t see how that’s relevant.[
Yes scratch that passage...but there are numerous others..where obedience is required. GOD HELPED THOSE WHO OBEYED HIM.
What can this teach me? For me it teaches me to move forward in faith and not look back, and cast out any vain imagination that sets itself against the knowledge of God.But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked mandoeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
They know that God loves all and desires none to perish. So He "abandons" them to their own will, 'left in the hands of their own counsel' as it were. This life isn't a free ride to heaven for some and to hell for the rest; it's a journey with a test, of how we will comport ourselves when the Master is effectively gone away.And what did these ancient churches base these findings on? For instance, where did the ancient churches come to the conclusion that God abandons those He loves (people becoming unjustified)?
What it shows is that being delivered [saved][
Yes scratch that passage...but there are numerous others..where obedience is required. GOD HELPED THOSE WHO OBEYED HIM.
What you’re saying, then, is that they took verses out of context and built a theology around that. Not much has changed.They know that God loves all and desires none to perish. So He "abandons" them to their own will, 'left in the hands of their own counsel' as it were. This life isn't a free ride to heaven for some and to hell for the rest; it's a journey with a test, of how we will comport ourselves when the Master is effectively gone away.
The most critical lesson to be learned, and the heart of the New Covenant, is that man needs God; man needs grace to put it another way. "Apart from Me you can do nothing." Adam, and his fallen descendants, thought/think otherwise until they finally learn of that need by experiencing their deprivation and so overcoming the pride and ignorance that separates us from Him. So that they might will rightly when revelation and grace are offered. Obedience can only be based on that relationship, not on man's own efforts as if he possessed any righteousness apart from God. Only God can place His law in man's mind and write it on his heart. And that relationship is entered into and established by faith.
Which are the laws of Love, Faith, Spirit and life?They know that God loves all and desires none to perish. So He "abandons" them to their own will, 'left in the hands of their own counsel' as it were. This life isn't a free ride to heaven for some and to hell for the rest; it's a journey with a test, of how we will comport ourselves when the Master is effectively gone away.
The most critical lesson to be learned, and the heart of the New Covenant, is that man needs God; man needs grace to put it another way. "Apart from Me you can do nothing." Adam, and his fallen descendants, thought/think otherwise until they finally learn of that need by experiencing their deprivation and so overcoming the pride and ignorance that separates us from Him. So that they might will rightly when revelation and grace are offered. Obedience can only be based on that relationship, not on man's own efforts as if he possessed any righteousness apart from God. Only God can place His law in man's mind and write it on his heart. And that relationship is entered into and established by faith.
Sounds like universal salvation. .bit new age to meWhat you’re saying, then, is that they took verses out of context and built a theology around that. Not much has changed.
For they dont believe anyone goes to hellSounds like universal salvation. .bit new age to me
Does this mean that you won’t answer my question?
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