Does God exist?

[Received]

Why do you people care if God exists or not? I mean, I highly doubt it would even closely resemble anything in your books.

Technically, nothing ever comes close to ever resembling anything in any book.

 

[digitalgoth]

Technically, nothing ever comes close to ever resembling anything in any book.

Luckily no one reads books anymore and now we have internet forums instead. Although nothing approaching a sane argument seems to be here either.

Cheers mate.

 

[Received]

Yuo tpyoed

 

[digitalgoth]

Yuo tpyoed

what's funny about that is that I had written "an" and I went to change it to "a" and instead put an "n".

Which proved my point. Somehow.

 

[Received]

Wompwomp!

But seriously, conceptualization is infinitely different than experiencing the thing itself, and anything presented in a book is almost always limited in known concepts, and we don't even know all the things we could know about things, so our concepts are inherently limited.

I know, that was a mean setup.

 

[digitalgoth]

Wompwomp!

But seriously, conceptualization is infinitely different than experiencing the thing itself, and anything presented in a book is almost always limited in known concepts, and we don't even know all the things we could know about things, so our concepts are inherently limited.

I know, that was a mean setup.

That's why we should take things written in books with a grain of salt

 

[Received]

That's why we should take things written in books with a grain of salt

That's too many grains for too many people with pulmonary hypertension.

 

[digitalgoth]

That's too many grains for too many people with pulmonary hypertension.

If you don't stroke out, you must not be arguing enough.

 

[Received]

If you don't stroke out, you must not be arguing enough.

Lol! Sounds like a great ad campaign for philosophizing.

Where's Don Draper when you need him?

 

[Achilles6129]

It's also the sort of thing you might expect if the Moon God was jealous of the Sun God.

I don't see any reason why that would be. Clearly, earth/moon solar eclipses are unique as far as eclipses in our solar system are concerned. Seeing as how this is completely unnecessary for life, I'd say that's excellent evidence for the existence of a Creator.

 

[BL2KTN]

Do you know how many similar eclipses likely occur in the universe? The number is likely in the millions if not billions.

 

[Golden Yak]

I don't see any reason why that would be. Clearly, earth/moon solar eclipses are unique as far as eclipses in our solar system are concerned. Seeing as how this is completely unnecessary for life, I'd say that's excellent evidence for the existence of a Creator.

No, he makes a good point. If the Sun and Moon are Gods, you'd expect the Moon God to be jealous of the Sun God, because most people are out during the day and like the Sun more than they like the Moon.

So it makes sense that the jealous Moon God would sometimes appear during the day - you can occasionally see the Moon God during the day, and on rare occasions the Moon God tries to take over entirely. But the Sun God is much more powerful, so the Moon God never manages it for long.

I'd say it's excellent evidence for the existence of Sun and Moon Gods.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I don't see any reason why that would be. Clearly, earth/moon solar eclipses are unique as far as eclipses in our solar system are concerned. Seeing as how this is completely unnecessary for life, I'd say that's excellent evidence for the existence of a Creator.

And I say it's excellent evidence for the Moon God being jealous of the Sun God. Now who's right and how are we going to determine that?

 

[Achilles6129]

Do you know how many similar eclipses likely occur in the universe? The number is likely in the millions if not billions.

No proof of this whatsoever.

No, he makes a good point. If the Sun and Moon are Gods, you'd expect the Moon God to be jealous of the Sun God, because most people are out during the day and like the Sun more than they like the Moon.

So it makes sense that the jealous Moon God would sometimes appear during the day - you can occasionally see the Moon God during the day, and on rare occasions the Moon God tries to take over entirely. But the Sun God is much more powerful, so the Moon God never manages it for long.

I'd say it's excellent evidence for the existence of Sun and Moon Gods.

And I say it's excellent evidence for the Moon God being jealous of the Sun God. Now who's right and how are we going to determine that?

Well, you've admitted the existence of a supernatural being. It seems, then, that my argument has been successful.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Well, you've admitted the existence of a supernatural being. It seems, then, that my argument has been successful.

In case you didn't realise, I was being facetious. The point, however, was to show that this phenomenon you've singled out as evidence for your deity is also open to other religious interpretations. Do you see why that might be problematic?

 

[BL2KTN]

No proof of this whatsoever.

Just like there's no proof of what you say (that it is unique). However, the law of averages is soooo far on the side of it not being unique. The following number represents how many stars exist in the universe:

1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

If half of these have planets, that is

500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

If just one out of a million of their planets have satellites that appear from the surface of the planet to be the same size as the star, that's:

50,000,000,000,000,000 stars with planets whose satellites appear the same size as their sun from the planet's surface.

That's fifty quadrillion similar situations in the universe as our moon eclipsing well with our sun. But you go ahead and think it's unique.

 

[quatona]

Just like there's no proof of what you say (that it is unique). However, the law of averages is soooo far on the side of it not being unique. The following number represents how many stars exist in the universe:

1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

If half of these have planets, that is

500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

If just one out of a million of their planets have satellites that appear from the surface of the planet to be the same size as the star, that's:

50,000,000,000,000,000 stars with planets whose satellites appear the same size as their sun from the planet's surface.

That's fifty quadrillion similar situations in the universe as our moon eclipsing well with our sun. But you go ahead and think it's unique.

But...if such a significant situation is so frequent - doesn´t that prove intelligent design?

 

[BL2KTN]

Where there's a will there's a way.

 

[Achilles6129]

The point, however, was to show that this phenomenon you've singled out as evidence for your deity is also open to other religious interpretations. Do you see why that might be problematic?

Not in the slightest. Remember I said "a Creator"; I didn't say which one. That's all I really need to challenge your position.

Just like there's no proof of what you say (that it is unique). However, the law of averages is soooo far on the side of it not being unique. The following number represents how many stars exist in the universe:

It's unique in this solar system, which is the point. We simply don't know enough about the universe to know whether it's unique in the universe or not. We can't base something like this (that we simply don't know) on probabilities. It's unique in the solar system which is amazing enough in and of itself.

 

[BL2KTN]

It's unique in this solar system, which is the point. We simply don't know enough about the universe to know whether it's unique in the universe or not. We can't base something like this (that we simply don't know) on probabilities. It's unique in the solar system which is amazing enough in and of itself.

You think it is a sign of God because it is unique in this solar system??? There's only two planets in the range of the sun that would allow a satellite to fit the correct size. That one of those two planets has a satellite which does so seems pretty unremarkable. I can't imagine any reason for you thinking that it is a sign of God.