Does God ever lead or guide anyone into temptation?
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13Let no one say when he is tempted, "(AC)I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.
14But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
15Then (AD)when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when (AE)sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
14But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
15Then (AD)when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when (AE)sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
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13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.
"We only hear what we want to hear."
6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.
"We only hear what we want to hear."
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Thank you all for the responses. I agree that God does not lead anyone into temptation. But why then do most English translations of the Lord's Prayer read as if God might lead someone into temptation?
The Lord's Prayer in Spanish reads like this:
"y no nos dejes a caer en la tentacion." Which in English literally means, "and do not let us fall into temptation."
Now which one is more theologically correct? It seems apparent that this English version of the prayer is in error!
I want to find out why the Spanish version of the prayer is different. Does anyone know why the difference? From now on I will be praying the Lord's Prayer using the latter translation, because God would never lead or guide anyone into temptation. I thank JoabAnias for bringing this to my attention.
I would like to hear further comments on this subject.
The Lord's Prayer in Spanish reads like this:
"y no nos dejes a caer en la tentacion." Which in English literally means, "and do not let us fall into temptation."
Now which one is more theologically correct? It seems apparent that this English version of the prayer is in error!
I want to find out why the Spanish version of the prayer is different. Does anyone know why the difference? From now on I will be praying the Lord's Prayer using the latter translation, because God would never lead or guide anyone into temptation. I thank JoabAnias for bringing this to my attention.
I would like to hear further comments on this subject.
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AbSOlutely this happens and that it happens is EASILY proven out in scriptures. Who MADE the 'tempter?' And what does THE TEMPTER do but TEMPT?
Yet James advises us that GOD does NOT do this.
Welcome to one of the most misunderstood presentations in the entire Bible!
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Squint,
So you believe God grabs people by the hand and personally leads them into sin or temptation? I believe the devil leads people into temptation but not God directly. God may allow it to happen, but he doesn't lead anyone into temptation himself.
So you believe God grabs people by the hand and personally leads them into sin or temptation? I believe the devil leads people into temptation but not God directly. God may allow it to happen, but he doesn't lead anyone into temptation himself.
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Allow me to expand...here a moment.
Let's say that God has BOUND us WITH the 'tempter' and the 'tempter' is in that binding then OURS to be tempted WITH. Did God then TEMPT us? Nope. Are WE tempted? Or is THE TEMPTER tempted?
Let's say that God does INDEED tempt THE TEMPTER...and He does so OPENLY and IN FULL VIEW of all of us in MANY many ways.
Put that on for a minute and see how it fits. There are more interesting flavors to these matters than what initially meets the 'eye.' Sometimes having both eyes open is a great advantage.
enjoy!
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Squint,
Ok, I'm not entirely sure what you are trying to say. I think you are saying that God does lead people into temptation, but that he does not do the tempting himself. I'm glad we all agree that God tempts no one.
Any idea why these Spanish and English versions of the prayer differ? Since they are different one of them has to be more accurate than the other, no?
Ok, I'm not entirely sure what you are trying to say. I think you are saying that God does lead people into temptation, but that he does not do the tempting himself. I'm glad we all agree that God tempts no one.
Any idea why these Spanish and English versions of the prayer differ? Since they are different one of them has to be more accurate than the other, no?
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EDIT : Oh sorry. I didn't read what you said properly. Gots a lil bit of a headache + sunburn. So it was a lazy response.
Ahhh... so you believe God allows for temptation, but doesnt lead people into temptation. You believe the devil both leads people into temptation and tempts them?
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Well, we KNOW we are 'tempted' right? And not only are we temtED, we also SIN in our minds and bodies via that tempTAtion, right?
And we also KNOW there are tempTORS who are 'not us,' right? And that we are 'subject' TO temptION, right?
Where I had a hard time drawing the line is on the fact that God DID make the tempter and the tempter WAS made to TEMPT and "we" have for no uncertain FACT been made 'subject to' that WORKING, right?
So, a little logic might go along ways in the conversation to progress in understanding, rather than to just deny facts, which NEVER seems to help me for some reason.
We do know this: The the temptation that we have IS from the devil and WE are not the DEVIL.
We also know that Jesus was LED OF THE SPIRIT to BE TEMPTED. So what gives with James? Is The Spirit NOT God? And did God not LEAD Jesus to be TEMPTED?
This can get progressively more interesting. And certainly observing these matters would seem to put getting in a huff about the differences between lead and tempt pretty far down the list of interesting things to do?
enjoy!
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Yeah, I think that would be an accurate description of how I understand this subject at the moment.
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Squint,
Yes, I was waiting for someone to bring up Jesus' temptation by the devil. I believe the Father knew ahead of time that Jesus would not sin. That is why the Holy Spirit lead Jesus into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. This is a special exception in my view, because the Father knew that Jesus would not sin. I believe the Holy Spirit lead Jesus out into the wilderness to show as a testimony to all people that Jesus is the Son of God and cannot be tempted into sin whatsoever. Jesus' temptation in the wilderness by the devil shows that he is eternally unblemished by the spot of sin. Now on the other hand it is possible for created beings to be tempted into sin. God allows for tests to take place, but He himself does not do the testing by His own hand. To make things clear, one could argue that God does indirectly lead people into temptation, because He created the tempter. However, I still do not think that God Himself directly leads anyone into temptation. The father of sin and temptation is the devil and not God.
A brother in Christ,
Daniel
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good post
I agree
jesus was lead into the wilderness where god knew satan would tempt him but god did not do the tempting
can you imagine that? god- "come on daniel eat this fruit I told you not to eat...you know you wanna" "oh how dare you eat of the fruit I commanded you not to eat from!"
Daniel - "but lord you tempted me" God- "so I'm god I do what I want be gone from this beautiful garden"
I agree
jesus was lead into the wilderness where god knew satan would tempt him but god did not do the tempting
can you imagine that? god- "come on daniel eat this fruit I told you not to eat...you know you wanna" "oh how dare you eat of the fruit I commanded you not to eat from!"
Daniel - "but lord you tempted me" God- "so I'm god I do what I want be gone from this beautiful garden"
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good post
I agree
jesus was lead into the wilderness where god knew satan would tempt him but god did not do the tempting
can you imagine that? god- "come on daniel eat this fruit I told you not to eat...you know you wanna" "oh how dare you eat of the fruit I commanded you not to eat from!"
Daniel - "but lord you tempted me" God- "so I'm god I do what I want be gone from this beautiful garden"
True hehe, yeah that is a funny yet good analogy you gave.
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EDIT : Thats good to hear my friend, but may I ask have you ever bothered reading the book of Job? Or if you have, what did you think?
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Think about this for a minute. We KNOW where THE WORD (Jesus, Living Word/God in FLESH) is sown SATAN COMES to STEAL.
So, WHO was really tempted there in the desert? Jesus? Or SATAN?
Who was DEFEATED out there in the wilderness? Jesus or SATAN?
Satan was advised clearly BY THE WORD that 'thou shalt NOT TEMPT GOD.' And when Satan HEARD that...Satan LEFT Him because GOD told Him so right from HIS OWN MOUTH.
The reality of God being TEMPTED is pretty far down on my list of 'possibilities' BECAUSE He Is God. I know that God (Jesus in the flesh) was tempted LIKE we are but there is just a HUGE difference in 'us' being tempted and GOD being tempted. I personally don't see these temptations as being anything near similar. I am simply NOT GOD and that's all there is to the matter.
God did NOT lead Himself INTO temptation. God DID bring SATAN to His Face for the usual rebuke 'because' where THE WORD IS, then comes you know WHO. You know who's ARRIVAL is wherever THE WORD is SOWN. Satan arrives ON CUE...Satan is SUMMONED UP 'anytime' and 'anyWHERE' the WORD is sown. Jesus said this is the way it is and THAT is the way it IS.
Now isn't that just kinda plain ol' weird? But IT'S A FACT! A fact so tangible, even on this website or WHEREVER you heard THE WORD we see openly, with our eyes THE SEVERITY of the REVILINGS that transpire IN people, and we SEE this 'because' of the activity OF SATAN! To me it's more obvious than the big old bulger on the front of my face.
And when I 'saw' that this activity was TRANSPIRING in ME, I saw a great thing and a lesson that I NEVER forget. Even as I type to YOU I try to maintain my watch over this matter because I KNOW this is a factual WORKING in my own SELF. The SELF that I am commanded to HATE. And that which is others than I must ALSO hate if I am to be His disciple.
In a way then I do SEE that God LED Satan to HIMSELF to EXERCISE what Satan does and part of that exercise is to PROVOKE or to LEAD SATAN to perform TEMPTATION. Even tempting GOD, which is as we know 'stictly AGAINST the Law...
'Even to LEAD SATAN into UNrighteously KILLING God Himself IN THE FLESH, Gods Own Son...in preparation for the FINAL JUDGMENTof EXECUTION of SATAN. Where we read in the scriptures that the execution of Gods Son was to fulfill the scriptures...'they hated ME without a CAUSE' those whom God in Christ was 'referring to' was SATAN and his family. THEY are the ones who HATED without a CAUSE because there is NO CAUSE to HATE GOD...
Nor do we have CAUSE to hate God for His making and His 'interactions' with Satan, either THEN or NOW.
Temptation then in a multifaceted thing. God CAN and DOES lead SATAN into TEMPTATION...and SATAN proved this to be a fact in Satan's interactions WITH God. Yes, God does very much LEAD Satan to DO THIS and what SATAN does is 'resist' God. That's what God MADE Satan to DO and that is EXACTLY what SATAN does. And Satan is very good at this job I might add! A most UNworthy reactor who does so ON CUE every single time.
I'm going to put some more honey on this conversation if we can eat sum!
And with that I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree!!! Imagine THAT?!
How much baloney has SATAN tried to put into the world in this regards? Wow! Do you know how many 'believers' I have spoken with over the years who actually think that Jesus had lustful thoughts for women? Or any number of LIKE temptations that 'we' have? And I always know when I hear that WHO I am really speaking to in those people and IT AIN'T THEM, it's what THE TEMPTER put into their HEAD and into their MINDS.
Jesus HAD NO SIN period. Not even ONE SINGLE SINFUL THOUGHT. Not a ONE.
Far beyond possible. It is an open FACT. We CAN in fact link EVERY SINGLE SIN directly to THE DEVIL via 1 John 3:8. John the Apostle assuredly LINKS the DEVIL to EVERY SIN in that statement and I certainly am not about to be disputing that either. I have had MANY experiences in these matters and I do certainly KNOW my enemies and WHO they are and I know them by CONTACT and ENGAGEMENT 'personally.' (don't read too much into this...I don't know any demons names or anything like that) But I do KNOW that temptation is OF THE DEVIL and that THE DEVIL is linked to EVERY SIN.
Ah ha! Now you are tracking man! One of the greatest scriptures to me 'personally' is when I read Romans 11:32 and SAW that it was GOD HIMSELF who has in fact BOUND ALL MANKIND to DISOBEDIENCE and the 'reason' He did so is also right there in that scripture and it was for DIVINE INTENTION...absolutely DIVINE! Go read it sometime and tell me if you can see the 'purpose' behind this matter. It's QUITE interesting to say the least! And when I saw that I felt much better about the entire HUMAN RACE...and I hated Satan all the more...
This will get better...as there is more discovery involved here that you may actually enjoy...
But to you I would say to ENJOY those discoveries, BE ON GUARD first or you WILL be stolen from...
I am your brother and a fellow shield bearer/link for my commrades in the arms of FAITH...and God Himself will FIGHT for us in these matters! I see Him do it everyday.
And 'we' will LOVE Him for it!
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