What do you think regarding this question?
13Let no one say when he is tempted, "(AC)I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.
14But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
15Then (AD)when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when (AE)sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
What do you think regarding this question?
Squint,
So you believe God grabs people by the hand and personally leads them into sin or temptation? I believe the devil leads people into temptation but not God directly. God may allow it to happen, but he doesn't lead anyone into temptation himself.
Squint,
So you believe God grabs people by the hand and personally leads them into sin or temptation? I believe the devil leads people into temptation but not God directly. God may allow it to happen, but he doesn't lead anyone into temptation himself.
So the devil tempts people to be tempted by him?
That is not what I said. To lead and to tempt have different meanings.
That is not what I said. To lead and to tempt have different meanings.
EDIT : Oh sorry. I didn't read what you said properly. Gots a lil bit of a headache + sunburn. So it was a lazy response.
Ahhh... so you believe God allows for temptation, but doesnt lead people into temptation. You believe the devil both leads people into temptation and tempts them?
Well, we KNOW we are 'tempted' right? And not only are we temtED, we also SIN in our minds and bodies via that tempTAtion, right?
And we also KNOW there are tempTORS who are 'not us,' right? And that we are 'subject' TO temptION, right?
Where I had a hard time drawing the line is on the fact that God DID make the tempter and the tempter WAS made to TEMPT and "we" have for no uncertain FACT been made 'subject to' that WORKING, right?
So, a little logic might go along ways in the conversation to progress in understanding, rather than to just deny facts, which NEVER seems to help me for some reason.
We do know this: The the temptation that we have IS from the devil and WE are not the DEVIL.
We also know that Jesus was LED OF THE SPIRIT to BE TEMPTED. So what gives with James? Is The Spirit NOT God? And did God not LEAD Jesus to be TEMPTED?
This can get progressively more interesting. And certainly observing these matters would seem to put getting in a huff about the differences between lead and tempt pretty far down the list of interesting things to do?
enjoy!
squint
good post
I agree
jesus was lead into the wilderness where god knew satan would tempt him but god did not do the tempting
can you imagine that? god- "come on daniel eat this fruit I told you not to eat...you know you wanna" "oh how dare you eat of the fruit I commanded you not to eat from!"
Daniel - "but lord you tempted me" God- "so I'm god I do what I want be gone from this beautiful garden"
Yeah, I think that would be an accurate description of how I understand this subject at the moment.
Squint,
Yes, I was waiting for someone to bring up Jesus' temptation by the devil. I believe the Father knew ahead of time that Jesus would not sin. That is why the Holy Spirit lead Jesus into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
This is a special exception in my view, because the Father knew that Jesus would not sin. I believe the Holy Spirit lead Jesus out into the wilderness to show as a testimony to all people that Jesus is the Son of God and cannot be tempted into sin whatsoever.
Jesus' temptation in the wilderness by the devil shows that he is eternally unblemished by the spot of sin. Now on the other hand it is possible for created beings to be tempted into sin.
God allows for tests to take place, but He himself does not do the testing by His own hand. To make things clear, one could argue that God does indirectly lead people into temptation,
because He created the tempter. However, I still do not think that God Himself directly leads anyone into temptation. The father of sin and temptation is the devil and not God.