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How about just answering question??? If the government told you to murder your family, would you do it? Would you obey the government?How did you conclude it was my position? See:
Today at 3:46 AM#266
No, they don't say it is the top priority. You are assigning that value to them. Jesus lived in submission to the governing powers because He had a supreme agenda to be put to death by them. You cannot apply that to us.
How about just answering question??? If the government told you to murder your family, would you do it? Would you obey the government?
So, you would NOT obey the government if it told you to murder your family, right?Leaving that country would be a better option. Scripture suggests shaking the dust from your feet and moving on.
Not a single one of those passages state that earthly governments overrule God's governance and authority, as you have tried to assert.I didn't. These writers did though.
1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3:1
1 Timothy 2:1-3
Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Romans 13:7
1 Timothy 2:1-2
Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Revelation 1:5
Romans 13:4
Proverbs 21:1
John 19:11
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 29:2
Proverbs 8:15
Psalms 94:20
Deuteronomy 28:1-68
Daniel 2:21
John 19:10-11
No, they did not. And peppering us with a bunch of verses you ripped out of context and strung together like lights on a Christmas tree only demonstrates the inherent weakness of your argument.I didn't. These writers did though.
1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3:1
1 Timothy 2:1-3
Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Romans 13:7
1 Timothy 2:1-2
Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Revelation 1:5
Romans 13:4
Proverbs 21:1
John 19:11
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 29:2
Proverbs 8:15
Psalms 94:20
Deuteronomy 28:1-68
Daniel 2:21
John 19:10-11
You be the judge:
1 Peter 2:13-17
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.
Titus 3:1
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,
and now:
New York State Assembly Passes Third Trimester Abortion Bill
The Torah forbids abortions. It is written,
And if two men should do combat, and should strike a woman having one in the womb, and should come forth her child not harmed, with a fine he shall be penalized, in so far as the husband of the woman should put on him, and he shall give by means of what is fit. And if it should be harmed, he shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Exodus 21:22-25
Abortion is Murder | Wisdom of God
No, they did not. And peppering us with a bunch of verses you ripped out of context and strung together like lights on a Christmas tree only demonstrates the inherent weakness of your argument.
You still following the Torah?
Hebrews 9:15
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Hebrews 8:6
But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises.
Hebrews 8:13
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away
No, they don't say it is the top priority. You are assigning that value to them. Jesus lived in submission to the governing powers because He had a supreme agenda to be put to death by them. You cannot apply that to us.
Torah and covenant are two different things. While the old covenant was indeed replaced by the new covenant, the Torah that came through the old covenant remains, because it is the Law that defines all that is sin, which is why the Messiah said, "I did not come to abolish the Torah" and "until heaven and earth vanishes, not one jot or one tittle will fall from the Torah". Once the entire Torah is fulfilled by the Messiah, which includes the autumn appointed times, and the millennial Shabbath, then the Torah will vanish, but not before, which makes anyone who thinks that it is abolished a man of lawlessness, meaning, having no law, which is the Torah.
And peppering us with a bunch of verses you ripped out of context and strung together like lights on a Christmas tree only demonstrates the inherent weakness of your argument.
Not a single one of those passages state that earthly governments overrule God's governance and authority, as you have tried to assert.
Yes, Jesus did. But keep in mind that there was a greater purpose in doing that. Jesus was not doing it because local government overrules the governance of God. He allowed the governing power to put Him on the cross to fulfill the plan of redemption.
That, in no way, means that we are obey human government over God and the Scriptures. It appears to me that you are trying to make that case as an excuse for promoting abortion, something that is abhorrent and violates the Word of God.
I'm among those who believe it was fully filled in Jesus. So I hold to my point, but your view is interesting and I'll consider if Jesus is really the Messiah.
Looking into your explanation that the Torah defines all sin, I found nothing yet.
The Torah | My Jewish Learning
The word "Sin" not used:
The Written Law - Torah
The Torah | The Bible Project
I'm suspicious of everything Paul wrote.Paul himself said, "though the Torah is knowledge of sin", through its commands.
Not a single one of those passages state that earthly governments overrule God's governance and authority, as you have tried to assert.
"My claim is that local government IS God's will"My claim is that local government is God's will. So to do otherwise is wrong.
1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3:1
1 Timothy 2:1-3
Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Romans 13:7
1 Timothy 2:1-2
Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Revelation 1:5
Romans 13:4
Proverbs 21:1
John 19:11
Mark 3:24
Proverbs 29:2
Proverbs 8:15
Psalms 94:20
Deuteronomy 28:1-68
Daniel 2:21
John 19:10-11
Yes like when the Babylonians sacrificed their children to molechIt is true these are the modern champions of the practice, but it goes back to a sacrifice-based religious system older than Christianity itself.
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