Does evolution have a chance?

[random_guy]

The probabailty of throwing a specified number is (1/6)
The probability of throwing a specified number 'n' times is (1/6)^n or 6^(-n)

This indicates that some things are very unlikely to happen. If the probability of it happening is low enough we can say it is impossible.

My goodness, I must be magic. I just wrote a random number generator and it gave me .234938753313343. The odds of this occurring is 1/10^15. Guys, drop the FSM, I can make the impossible possible.

 

[Ron21647]

The probabailty of throwing a specified number is (1/6)
The probability of throwing a specified number 'n' times is (1/6)^n or 6^(-n)

This indicates that some things are very unlikely to happen. If the probability of it happening is low enough we can say it is impossible.

No we can't. If the probablity is zero, we can say it is impossible. That is what zero probability means. If the probablility is just low, it is unlikely, but still possible.

And in this case, there are many ways of having a positive outcome. It doesn't have to be the exact sequence every time.

Ron

 

[Loudmouth]

Just for the record: we have here 7 bits as input (1100011) and 7 bits as output (1110010). The information may be different, but there is the same amount of information in both input and output.

Going from this, it must take ten times the information to make a paramecium than a human. The paramecium genome is ten times that of humans. So I guess if you increase information you get organisms that are less complex.

Or, the creationists don't know what they are talking about, which is what I think both you and I can agree on.

 

[lifepurusmetus]

Could someone who supports the theory of evolution explain to us the scientific law of entropy, and the scientific law of cause and effect and how you would respond to these laws to support your theory?

 

[MartinM]

Could someone who supports the theory of evolution explain to us the scientific law of entropy, and the scientific law of cause and effect and how you would respond to these laws to support your theory?

Or perhaps you could just get straight to whatever point it is you think you can make, and that the entire scientific community just happened to miss?

 

[perplexed]

Some questions to consider previously posted and substantially unanswered:

1. What is the probability of a mutation occuring in the haploid that meets the requirements of the Neo Darwinian thoery of evolution (the most common theory in vogue).

To hard to do but creationists dishonestly come up with numbers.

2. Provide an explanation of the probability calculation including any important assumptions about randomness.

To hard to do but again creationists fudge it.

3. Provide examples of mutations that meet the NDT requirements and can be considered candidates for evolution. Remember that evolution assumes a net gain in genetic information over time.

Biochemistry is not up to this challenge.




I think your questions are to hard for humans to attempt. If you find someone that can answer them I will accept their judgement on whether or not evolution is possible.

 

[awstar]

What's the probability of throwing a six-sided die with no spots on any side, then when rolled nth time, a spot appears on one side? And then after mth times, two spots appear on another side? and then three spots on the third side and then four spots on the fouth side and then five spots on the fifth side and then six spots on the sixth side?

 

[MartinM]

About equal to the probability that a creationist will come up with a coherent, relevant probability argument.

 

[random_guy]

What's the probability of throwing a six-sided die with no spots on any side, then when rolled nth time, a spot appears on one side? And then after mth times, two spots appear on another side? and then three spots on the third side and then four spots on the fouth side and then five spots on the fifth side and then six spots on the sixth side?

All 0. What's the probability of picking .5 from 0 to 1, real numbers? 0. What if I pick it, did a miracle occur?

There's a difference between the probabilities we are giving and you're giving.

 

[Darth Incontinence]

Real Australians aren't religious loonies.

 

[Loudmouth]

Real Australians aren't religious loonies.

I hope they don't drink Fosters either. It's almost as bad as American beer.

 

[Darth Incontinence]

I hope they don't drink Fosters either. It's almost as bad as American beer.

Fosters is to beer as ugg boots are to fashion.

 

[awstar]

All 0. What's the probability of picking .5 from 0 to 1, real numbers? 0. What if I pick it, did a miracle occur?

There's a difference between the probabilities we are giving and you're giving.

The miracle occurred when real numbers were created.

The miracle occurred when the die was created.

The probability that the sequence of numbers that occur by the toss of a die result in an intelligent code by chance is absurd, once you see that the die had to be created by an intelligent being in the first place.

 

[Micaiah]

Real Australians aren't religious loonies.

Real Australians don't accept loony scientific theories just because they are popular.

 

[Micaiah]

What's the probability of throwing a six-sided die with no spots on any side, then when rolled nth time, a spot appears on one side? And then after mth times, two spots appear on another side? and then three spots on the third side and then four spots on the fouth side and then five spots on the fifth side and then six spots on the sixth side?

. This could get interesting!

 

[perplexed]

Exactly why is evolution "loony". I have not seen a proper argument involving probability. As for creationist thermodynamics that is nonsense if I put a man and woman in a room with some food and they have a baby that baby increases order which cannot happen according to creationists. As for the scientific law of cause and effect there is no such law and I don't understand how creationists think they can get away with such a blatant lie.

p.s. Australians don't drink fosters we just sell it to poor unsuspecting americans.

 

[random_guy]

The miracle occurred when real numbers were created.

The miracle occurred when the die was created.

The probability that the sequence of numbers that occur by the toss of a die result in an intelligent code by chance is absurd, once you see that the die had to be created by an intelligent being in the first place.

You have an odd definition of miracle, as well as an intelligent being. Basically, if you taught math, everything boils down to a miracle occurred, and then we have rational numbers.

 

[Micaiah]

Tell me what a rational number is again. They sound friendly.

 

[Gracchus]

This indicates that some things are very unlikely to happen. If the probability of it happening is low enough we can say it is impossible.

Micaiah: You can say it, but that doesn't make it true. Extremely unlikely events happen every day. Shuffle a deck of 52 cards. The probability that they will occur in any particular order is 1/52 factorial : 1/(52X51X50X...X3X2X1~= 8X10^68)= 1.24X10^-68. That is a very small number. But some sequence with that probability will turn up with a probability of 1. Let us state that as a law: In a complex system the probability of the occurence of a wildly improbable outcome is certain.

I know this has all been explained to you before. I have concluded that the only way you can continue to advance this argument is that:

1. You are stupid. I discard this reason. No one posting on Christian Forums is stupid. It says so in the rules.

2. You are suffering from some other mental defect. Perhaps you have damaged your mentation by assuming contradictions and impossibilities.

3. You are perverse, posting absurdities to annoy. But that would make you a troll, and by the forum rules there are no trolls posting on Christian Forums.

Perhaps you can provide us with some other reason you continue to post obvious falsehoods.

 

[random_guy]

Tell me what a rational number is again. They sound friendly.

They're alright, since they're pretty countable. Personally, though, I prefer R, since they keep it real.