Does Evolution conflict with the Bible?

[Gene2memE]

O Nations prosper when they (although still wicked in many areas) respect and honor God and His word and His people.

So why were the Mongols, Abyssinians, Achaemenids, Romans, Macedonians, various Arabian and Ottoman Caliphates, Han, Ming, Qing and Yuan empires so successful for such extended periods?

When they don't--well look at the exodus--they get clobbered.

Except there's no go evidence to suppose that the Exodus as described in the Torah was an actual historical event. And plenty of countervailing arguments against it actually occurring.

 

[Gene2memE]

Belgium has one of the highest divorce rates apparently. 71%.

http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/world/worlds-10-most-divorced-nations/

Apparently not - Belgium's divorce rate is roughly the same as the EU average:

File:Crude divorce rate, selected years, 1960-2015 (per 1 000 persons).png - Statistics Explained

What you've got in that article is a very poor use of statistics. The only way you get a 70% divorce rate in Belgium is if you divide current marriage rates with current divorce rates. But, that's not the divorce rate. That's just the present ratio of current divorces to current marriages.

Which is a different thing entirely.

Marriage rates in Belgium have been declining for the past ~60 years. In the 1960s and 1970s, people were getting married at twice the rate they are now. Meanwhile, divorce rates have gone up, roughly by a factor of four.

So, less and less people are getting married, and more are getting divorced. Which makes it appear that the divorce rates is really high, when actually it isn't. It's the ratio of divorces to new marriages that is very high, not the overall divorce rate.

In Belgium, the average interval between a marriage and divorce is 15. So, if you look at the data from the early 2000s and compare it to the number of divorces now, you actually end up with a divorce rate of about to 50% to 55%.

Or, if you look at divorce rates per 1000 people, its about 2.2. Yes, that's still on the high side, but not exceptionally so. In fact, its lower than the US - which is about 3.2 per 1000 people. Its just that people in the US are getting married about 80% more than in Belgium.

 

[AV1611VET]

Except there's no go evidence to suppose that the Exodus as described in the Torah was an actual historical event.

If myopic grave robbers can't find evidence of the Jews in Egypt for 400 years, how are myopic grave robbers expecting to find evidence of the Jews on the Sinai Peninsula for 40?

 

[lesliedellow]

Get over your preconceived little wrong notions. God can take from soil all that is needed to make a man. Avi pointed out that even from rocks He could raise a new people. Did you really think He was a lame brained as science?

So according to creationists, God put silicon into a nuclear reactor to transmute it into carbon, before using that carbon to create the first humans.

Enjoy your fantasies.

 

[AV1611VET]

So according to creationists, God put silicon into a nuclear reactor to transmute it into carbon, before using that carbon to create the first humans.

Enjoy your fantasies.

If God can keep a burning bush from turning into carbon residue ...

If God can keep three men in a fiery furnace from being cremated ...

If God can turn a woman into a pillar of sodium chloride ...

... then God doesn't need a nuclear reactor.

 

[lesliedellow]

If God can keep a burning bush from turning into carbon residue ...

If God can keep three men in a fiery furnace from being cremated ...

If God can turn a woman into a pillar of sodium chloride ...

... then God doesn't need a nuclear reactor.

He could always have done the sensible thing, and created the carbon he needed. Maybe he did, and lt is only block headed literaness that will not allow him to do the obvious.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No need to ask, your posts must be self explanatory, rather than self congratulatory.

Wrong again, but then what else is new?

So they don't count as examples of being blessed or cursed according to how they treat God and His people?

Since you are extremely vague in how you define "blessed or cursed" no. Here you are complaining about posts not being self explanatory and then you can't explain your own posts.

My version of God the bible? Either He is in there or not.

Try again. Perhaps in English next time.

You seem to have a rather poor understanding of the fact that there are thousands of different interpretations of the Bible by Christians. Yours is far from the only one.

 

[AV1611VET]

He could always have done the sensible thing, and created the carbon he needed.

There's a carbon atom in every silicon atom.

An omnipotent deity can simply take a silicon atom and tell six of its protons BYE-BYE.

Or He can take a hydrogen atom and say HELLO to five protons.

Or He can do whatever, depending on what reputation He wants His creation to have.

 

[Sea Horse]

This is a Christian forum. As Christians we believe the Bible is without error and is the word of God. That is what makes us Christian and that is what makes this a Christian forum.

If you say that Evolution conflicts with the Bible. Then you have effective falsified Evolution. But I see a lot of people here, if I agree with them or not, who feel there is no conflict at all between Evolution and the Word of God. They seem to feel that Evolution just covers an area the Bible simply does not discuss or talk about. At least not directly in a plain way. Although the Bible does seem to indicate that life goes from simple to more complex and advanced forms. Man was after all, not created untill the sixth day. Or some people feel that man as we know him was not created until the eighth day.

It does conflict .
Genesis 1:12
Plants produce after it's kind

if plants could produce animals after it's kind God would not need to create animals in separate day after that in Genesis 1:21


Theory of evolution believe everything has it's ancestor even to the point of single dot of energy before big bang .

 

[lesliedellow]

There's a carbon atom in every silicon atom.

An omnipotent deity can simply take a silicon atom and tell six of its protons BYE-BYE.

Or He can take a hydrogen atom and say HELLO to five protons.

Or He can do whatever, depending on what reputation He wants His creation to have.

It doesn't say much for God's competence if he doesn't know the difference between Silicon and Magnesium.

 

[AV1611VET]

It doesn't say much for God's competence if he doesn't know the difference between Silicon and Magnesium.

... You guys never miss a beat, do you?

If there's a way to mock God, you guys'll do it.

 

[DogmaHunter]

This is a Christian forum. As Christians we believe the Bible is without error and is the word of God. That is what makes us Christian and that is what makes this a Christian forum.

If you say that Evolution conflicts with the Bible. Then you have effective falsified Evolution. But I see a lot of people here, if I agree with them or not, who feel there is no conflict at all between Evolution and the Word of God. They seem to feel that Evolution just covers an area the Bible simply does not discuss or talk about. At least not directly in a plain way. Although the Bible does seem to indicate that life goes from simple to more complex and advanced forms. Man was after all, not created untill the sixth day. Or some people feel that man as we know him was not created until the eighth day.

When reality conflicts with your beliefs, then your beliefs are wrong - not reality.

 

[JoeP222w]

This is a Christian forum. As Christians we believe the Bible is without error and is the word of God. That is what makes us Christian and that is what makes this a Christian forum.

If you say that Evolution conflicts with the Bible. Then you have effective falsified Evolution. But I see a lot of people here, if I agree with them or not, who feel there is no conflict at all between Evolution and the Word of God. They seem to feel that Evolution just covers an area the Bible simply does not discuss or talk about. At least not directly in a plain way. Although the Bible does seem to indicate that life goes from simple to more complex and advanced forms. Man was after all, not created untill the sixth day. Or some people feel that man as we know him was not created until the eighth day.

The basic question here takes on the false presupposition that Evolution is true and feasible. There is not one shred of evidence for Evolution, so it holds no authority or sway. Evolution is simply not true.

 

[lesliedellow]

There is not one shred of evidence for Evolution....

Creationists can tell themselves that lie as often as they like. That won't make it true.

Todd's Blog: The truth about evolution

 

[AV1611VET]

Creationists can tell themselves that lie as often as they like. That won't make it true.

Jesus is a creationist.

 

[JoeP222w]

Creationists can tell themselves that lie as often as they like. That won't make it true.

Todd's Blog: The truth about evolution

Not a refutation.

 

[lesliedellow]

Not a refutation.

He is one of the very few YECs who seems to have some idea what he is talking about when he uses the word "evolution".

 

[KWCrazy]

When reality conflicts with your beliefs, then your beliefs are wrong - not reality.

Either that or your perception of reality is wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Either that or your perception of reality is wrong.

Since those beliefs are continually confirmed that appears not to be the case.

 

[KWCrazy]

He is one of the very few YECs who seems to have some idea what he is talking about when he uses the word "evolution".

I'm not sure I ever met anyone who didn't understand the claims of evolution. That makes your statement false.

The difference between us is that when you have a lie drummed into your head for decades you come to believe it's true. We recognize that it's still a lie.

The Bible tells us that sin and death came into the world through the sin of one man; Adam, who was created by God on the sixth day of creation. Adam was not born and had no earthly parents. He and Eve did not evolve from anything. The animals he named did not evolve from anything. There was no death prior to the fall of man. The world was perfect. Man corrupted it. If God exists, then His word is true.

If man evolved then God cannot exist. The 6,000 + year history of mankind's interaction with the Creator is all lies. The millions of lives changed by coming to the Lord never happened. The tens of millions of encounters with the supernatural never happened. The 25% of Americans who have experienced miracles or supernatural encounters are all liars. Everyone who ever experienced the Holy Spirit is psychotic. There is absolutely no reason for our existence. Right and wrong are merely social constructs. The only thing preventing people from taking things belonging to others which could enrich their lives is a lack of initiative. All the martyrs died for nothing. It's no more a crime to kill a man than it is to swat a mosquito, because they are simply differently evolved animals.

A world with no God has another name; Hell. There is no God in Hell, no goodness, no possible connection with the Creator. There are only the multitudes of the godless eternally condemned to live apart from the God they rejected. Rejecting God's word is rejecting God. Jesus told us that man cannot live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God. If that does not mean the Scriptures, then what could it mean? If Jesus called the Scriptures the word of God, then how could we as Christians deny what our Savior told us?

It's not rocket science. Either you believe the word of God or you believe the word of man. Both tell a very different story. Choose only one.