Does Evolution conflict with the Bible?

[lesliedellow]

I'm not sure I ever met anyone who didn't understand the claims of evolution.

Haven't you? I have. Lots and lots of them.

"If man evolved then God cannot exist."

And if London is capital of the UK, the square root of nine must be five.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Either that or your perception of reality is wrong.

Fortunatly, one's perception of actual reality is testable and verifiable.

 

[HitchSlap]

You correct the bible?

Reality corrects the bible.

 

[HitchSlap]

I believe the bible over you. Any day. Hows them hermeneutics?

Believe what you need to.

 

[KWCrazy]

Fortunatly, one's perception of actual reality is testable and verifiable.

Really?
Reality is defined as the sum total of all perceptions. "All" includes sensory and extrasensory.
How does one measure extrasensory?
How does one quantify demonic or angelic encounters?
How does one test the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?
Things like precognition and clairvoyance are frequently faked and by definition not easy to replicate int testable situations. We don't see "psychics" winning the lottery. However, it is well known that Lincoln dreamed of his assassination before it happened. As for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, it is what makes Christians different from others. The Holy Spirit is the connection between us and God.

Generally speaking, naturalists reject half of reality and only accept what can be readily tested. It's not so difficult because even a baby can see food when it's in front of its face. It's the things which are not so obvious that some accept on faith and some reject entirely. God does not intend for His existence to be proved, He intends for us to have faith. Faith is the belief in things unproved. If God allowed proof there would be no faith and thus no means of salvation. God will prove Himself when it's too late to repent. Until then we either have faith or we do not. Rejecting the supernatural doesn't make it go away.

 

[HitchSlap]

Really?
Reality is defined as the sum total of all perceptions. "All" includes sensory and extrasensory.
How does one measure extrasensory?
How does one quantify demonic or angelic encounters?
How does one test the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?
Things like precognition and clairvoyance are frequently faked and by definition not easy to replicate int testable situations. We don't see "psychics" winning the lottery. However, it is well known that Lincoln dreamed of his assassination before it happened. As for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, it is what makes Christians different from others. The Holy Spirit is the connection between us and God.

Generally speaking, naturalists reject half of reality and only accept what can be readily tested. It's not so difficult because even a baby can see food when it's in front of its face. It's the things which are not so obvious that some accept on faith and some reject entirely. God does not intend for His existence to be proved, He intends for us to have faith. Faith is the belief in things unproved. If God allowed proof there would be no faith and thus no means of salvation. God will prove Himself when it's too late to repent. Until then we either have faith or we do not. Rejecting the supernatural doesn't make it go away.

It's not that we reject reality, it's just that we don't make poop up.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Really?

Don't you agree that, for example, the reality of gravity is independently verifiable and not at all dependend on my "personal perception" thereof?

Reality is defined as the sum total of all perceptions. "All" includes sensory and extrasensory.
How does one measure extrasensory?
How does one quantify demonic or angelic encounters?
How does one test the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?

One can only test real things, with real manifestations and real effects.
The point exactly.

Things like precognition and clairvoyance are frequently faked and by definition not easy to replicate int testable situations.

"frequently"?
It seems to me that ALL those who have actually been put to the test, have been exposed as being charlatans.

And that NONE of these folks are able that their claimed ability is actually real. NONE.

We don't see "psychics" winning the lottery. However, it is well known that Lincoln dreamed of his assassination before it happened.

The guy had many enemies. I'ld be scared of getting assassinated as well. It would give me stress and that stress and constant fear would certainly find its way into my dreams.

Why is that surprising? Or even relevant?

As for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, it is what makes Christians different from others. The Holy Spirit is the connection between us and God.

Or so you believe. Many people following other religions believe different things.
You don't seem to be too impressed by their beliefs. Why do you expect me to be impressed by yours?

Generally speaking, naturalists reject half of reality

When did you demonstrate the existance of that mysterious "other half" of so-called reality?
Or, could it be by any chance, that you merely believe such to exist?

Just like how other people following other religions believe a whole bunch of things that you don't believe either?

and only accept what can be readily tested.

Well... things that can be tested ARE the only things that can be shown to actually be real.

It's not so difficult because even a baby can see food when it's in front of its face. It's the things which are not so obvious that some accept on faith and some reject entirely.

Quantum mechanics, relativity, atomic theory, ... all those things are the very opposite of "obvious", yet I have no problems at all accepting those ideas - and I don't require any faith to do so.

Why is that?
And why is it, that the only things you're prepared to accept on such "faith", are those things that are included in YOUR specific religion?

God does not intend for His existence to be proved, He intends for us to have faith. Faith is the belief in things unproved.

Then your God values gullibility and loaths rationality.

If God allowed proof there would be no faith and thus no means of salvation. God will prove Himself when it's too late to repent. Until then we either have faith or we do not.

So let's hope then, that you have faith in the correct god. You have thousands to choose from, and I guess you just went for the one that dominates the culture that you happened to be born into.

Aren't you lucky that you weren't born in rural regions in Pakistan, right?

Rejecting the supernatural doesn't make it go away.

Merely believing it exists, doesn't mean it does.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's not that we reject reality, it's just that we don't make poop up.

Like Thalidomide, mustard gas, and LSD?

 

[time]

So why were the Mongols, Abyssinians, Achaemenids, Romans, Macedonians, various Arabian and Ottoman Caliphates, Han, Ming, Qing and Yuan empires so successful for such extended periods?

Greeks and Romans had their place in the salvation plan. It is not that only nations that are respectful of God prosper. One can serve many gods, and there is usually some compensation. The presence of God's influences on nations that directly affect Israel (western world basically) are very profound. Europe, Britain, and the US, and even Russia.

Except there's no go evidence to suppose that the Exodus as described in the Torah was an actual historical event. And plenty of countervailing arguments against it actually occurring.

There is no real argument against God having led people out of Egypt. What reason would I have to doubt it? To doubt the Exodus is about like doubting that the sacrificial fire that was first lit in the temple of Solomon was lit by fire from heaven. Like how would you know or prove it?

 

[time]

When reality conflicts with your beliefs, then your beliefs are wrong - not reality.

When your perceived reality conflicts with the truth, it is wrong.

 

[HitchSlap]

Like Thalidomide, mustard gas, and LSD?

I don't know what this even means, nor do I care.

 

[HitchSlap]

When your perceived reality conflicts with the truth, it is wrong.

"Right you are, Ken." The trick is being able to keep it real.

 

[KWCrazy]

It's not that we reject reality, it's just that we don't make poop up.

What, specifically, are you accusing me of fabricating?
Precognition? 973,000 search results.
Clairvoyance? 6,390,000 search results.
Demonic Encounters? 568,000 results.
Angel encounters? 315,000 results.

As usual, you are wrong.

 

[time]

It doesn't say much for God's competence if he doesn't know the difference between Silicon and Magnesium.

There are a lot of real changes in a body when it dies. Do you know the difference betw cells and chemical reactions in a dead body compared to a live one? Here are a few.

"
This means that analysis of metabolites from body fluids can provide insights into the changing biochemical environment post-mortem.

2]. Antemortem blood pH is regulated to stay within the narrow range of 7.35 to 7.45. If the blood pH is alkaline (greater than 7.45) or acidic (less than 7) this can lead to death [3] so blood pH is one of the most regulated systems in the body. Blood pH is regulated by acid-base buffers such as carbonic acid and biocarbonate ion, which exert their influence principally through the respiratory system and the kidneys in order to control the acid-base balance [3]. In death, the body buffering system is not maintained and blood pH changes can occur [4].

5]. In the same study, blood collected from rat corpses showed a pH decrease from 7.35 at antemortem to 5.5 by 96 hours post-mortem.

6]. In the only recent study of lactate concentration in blood post-mortem, lactate in human heart blood increased 20-fold by one hour after death and 50-70 fold by 24 hours [2].

7] following catabolism of several amino acids including serine, glycine, histidine, and tryptophan [8] as well as catabolism of methanol from external sources such as diet [9]. In humans formate is rapidly oxidised to carbon dioxide by the liver [9], to prevent toxic effects in the brain and eyes due to an inhibition of the cytochrome oxidase a protein complex in the respiratory chain in mitochondria [10]. In the only study carried out to date, the concentrations of formate are elevated in the blood of putrefied (5-44 days) post-mortem human cases (5 mmol.L-1) compared to non-putrefied (1-14 days) post-mortem human cases (0.86 mmol.L-1) [11]. It was suggested that the reason for this increase was bacterial action on decomposition of lipids and proteins [11]."
Biochemistry Changes That Occur after Death: Potential Markers for Determining Post-Mortem Interval

The act of creating a new body for Lazarus basically involved a lot of fast changes. Much greater than just a change between Silicon and Magnesium.

 

[time]

"Right you are, Ken." The trick is being able to keep it real.

Not sure what you are talking about, Barbie.

 

[time]

Like Thalidomide, mustard gas, and LSD?

Oh, no. They didn't make that up, those thing just evolved over time.

 

[time]

Since those beliefs are continually confirmed that appears not to be the case.

By voices inside your hear no one else can hear?

 

[Jimmy D]

I don't know what this even means, nor do I care.

Oh, it means something, but not what he thinks it does. Forum etiquette prevents me from saying what.

 

[HitchSlap]

What, specifically, are you accusing me of fabricating?
Precognition? 973,000 search results.
Clairvoyance? 6,390,000 search results.
Demonic Encounters? 568,000 results.
Angel encounters? 315,000 results.

As usual, you are wrong.

Bigfoot? 8.7 mil.
Aliens? 121 mil.
Homeopathy? 20 mil.
Allah? 340 mil.

As always, you're not right.

 

[time]

Creationists can tell themselves that lie as often as they like.

Keep telling yourself that.