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Sorry. This was the scripture in the first post that started this all."This scripture" ? I haven't read many of your posts but in the last few , you have written something like that in two of them and didn't present a passage in either one - at least no passage for "this scripture" ..
"This scripture" ? I haven't read many of your posts but in the last few , you have written something like that in two of them and didn't present a passage in either one - at least no passage for "this scripture" ..
SorryWhich verse are you referring to?
If I understand what you are saying... I agree... can you be clearer?distanceing itself from its hebrew roots is what gave birth to these false doctrines.
distanceing itself from its hebrew roots is what gave birth to these false doctrines.
You may not be *water* baptized but have been baptized into the Spirit by the Lord . *That* is the one baptism . *Five* times , the Lord is quoted in the Scriptures as saying that John baptized in water but He ( Jesus ) would baptize in the Spirit . If there was , in fact , one baptism , that baptism would be the one that Jesus would perform .
some how when I replied messages got mixed up. Sorry.i never said that! weird.
i never said that! weird.
If you are calling God's Spirit a "She" then it is NOT GOD'S Spirit.... so it may need to be expercised.I don't know why my post was quoted as being written by bod44, but anyway.
What do you mean I need an exorcism?
If I understand what you are saying... I agree... can you be clearer?
Thanks
Rick
INteresting. I was considering checking out a Messianic Church. There is one near my house.nothing in scripture contradicts, if a person sees a contradiction then they should take the opportunity to search for the truth.
My being messianic does not allow for me to teach anything in here from my pov.
So Peter was incorrect too?
1Pet 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you alsonot the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge[e] of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
And Philip
Act 8:35-38
(35) Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him.
(36) As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch *said, "Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?"
(37) [And Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may." And he answered and said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."]
(38) And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him.
H2O and Spirit baptism happen at the same time. but are ONE.
nothing in scripture contradicts, if a person sees a contradiction then they should take the opportunity to search for the truth.
My being messianic does not allow for me to teach anything in here from my pov.
Water basptism has no impact on salvation. Should we be baptized? Absolutely but it is not a necessary act for salvation.
The eunuch beleived and was saved, so he then was baptised.
Ah, but he's not talking about baptism at all in the context. It seems it's more about people who "forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth."Sorry. This was the scripture in the first post that started this all.
1Ti 4:16
Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you. NASB
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee. KJV
Take heed vnto thy selfe, and vnto the doctrine: continue in them: for in doing this, thou shalt both saue thy selfe, and them that heare thee. KJ 1611
Well, is the Spirit of God a man? Does it even have a gender?If you are calling God's Spirit a "She" then it is NOT GOD'S Spirit.... so it may need to be expercised.
r
Ah, but he's not talking about baptism at all in the context. It seems it's more about people who "forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth."
IMO, that sounds like catholics and seventh day adventists, but that's just me
Ah, but he's not talking about baptism at all in the context. It seems it's more about people who "forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth."
IMO, that sounds like catholics and seventh day adventists, but that's just me
Well, is the Spirit of God a man? Does it even have a gender?
It's not that I have some deep-founded serious doctrine or opinion on the gender of the Holy Spirit (though I do find it rewarding to stop thinking of it as a male from time to time, but rather female, with all the good qualities femininity brings - like motherly love and care). But your reply really says a lot. You look past what I say about love and peace and the good stuff, and is so disturbed by me calling the Spirit a she that you go so far as to suggest I need exorcism.
Do you realize what you're actually saying? I've been accused of "hating Jesus" before, but this would top that, hadn't it been for your saying that I "MAY need to..."
But this is typical of christianity, and particularly christianity that is obsessed with doctrine; no love, no peace, no joy, no fruit will be good enough if the doctrine doesn't fit yours 100%.
He does, but as far as I can see he doesn't mention neither baptism nor the trinity. Would it then be safe to assume that those aren't that important?He cover A LOT of "doctrine".
r
I don't think people will go unsaved even if you do teach that the Spirit is female. In fact, perhaps your message would sound more interesting to some of the wiccan teens?I am sorry. That was sarcasm as I thought your comment about God's Spirit being a she. If God is He then His Spririt is HE.
I am only obsessed with doctrine as God says IT MATTERS if I or the people I teach will be saved or not.
In Him
R
He does, but as far as I can see he doesn't mention neither baptism nor the trinity. Would it then be safe to assume that those aren't that important?
I don't think people will go unsaved even if you do teach that the Spirit is female. In fact, perhaps your message would sound more interesting to some of the wiccan teens?
The thing is, being correct about stuff like the trinity doesn't save anyone, and it doesn't throw anyone out of the kingdom either. I agree that some is correct, some is wrong, and that it does have implications. But the implications are mostly there only because we're so darn focused on these doctrines to begin with!
Just look at the threads in here! I myself am more busy discussing doctrine than actually being a true and real and productive believer. Sure, it's interesting, but it soon turns into useless bickering.
I think we can afford to be a lot more open when it comes to doctrine. I've seen it time and again - people who are accepted in spite of their faulty doctrine, will turn to a better doctrine by themselves, with time.
Excuse me? I don't respect God's word because I don't agree with you that it's not the doctrines about baptism and trinity that are essential?I think at this point I will not be responding to your posts. It is clear you don't have a respect for God's word nor it would appear for God. This scripture is clear Watch your LIFE and DOCTINE.... IF... you do you will save both yourself and your hearer......
Water it down however you want.... God will deal with you.
Heb 10:31
(31) It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
R
I think at this point I will not be responding to your posts. It is clear you don't have a respect for God's word nor it would appear for God. This scripture is clear Watch your LIFE and DOCTINE.... IF... you do you will save both yourself and your hearer......
Water it down however you want.... God will deal with you.
Heb 10:31
(31) It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
R
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